Has the team mailed it in? (If so, why?)
 

I'm looking back over the last two weeks. Both against Pittsburgh and Carolina it looked like most of the roster mailed it in. Obviously, it's not true of everyone. RG3 and Morris always give it everything they have, and guys like Morgan, T Williams and Lunch Pail Logan also work hard every game. Tana worked hard to prove he's still the best WR on the roster, but now that we're in the toilet I don't expect peak performance from him. Defensively, I think London, Bowen, and Doughty all work hard every game.

So yeah, I think the rest of the starters and regular rotation guys have mailed it in for the season, at least to the extent it matters i.e. there's a guy or two who doesn't matter, like Niles Paul. Two very different games in a row we saw it, and today was at home in a true must win situation.

And then Mike says the rest of the season is really about evaluating talent, which isn't going to rally the troops IMHO :doh:

So why have the 2012 Redskins basically mailed it in as of week 9? Can't say I believe I know, want to hear from everybody...

And one more thing, this isn't meant to be a discussion about talent, though I realize if this thread goes on more than a couple pages talent will be discussed. Just that I'm asking a different question first: where's the effort, discipline, focus etc etc?

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You think every starter you didn't mention has mailed it in?

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The team has mailed it in because their coach, mike shanahan has. They're just following his example. I didn't like the hire when it happened because shanahan was mediocre in Denver and I was tired of mediocrity. The fact is, the redskins are worse under shanahan then they've been in the Snyder era. Ginny and Snyder did a better job running this team than Allen and shanahan. And im by no means saying I want things to go back to the way they were. I'm just observing that, as bad as things were then, they're worse now. You can talk about "culture" all you want, and be right, but the results are damning. Shanahan has done nothing to earn a fourth season as head coach. He may be a master strategist, but he's a horrible in game head coach. Clock management is deplorable. He has to go. Bring in gruden.

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[quote=SmootSmack;961069]You think every starter you didn't mention has mailed it in?[/quote]

On balance, yes. No extremes here. I'm not saying total lack of effort all game long. You know what I mean anyway, you're a smart dude.

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No I don't.

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I'm not sure, lets see after the bye against PHI and DAL. Today It did kinda look like a team and staff that had that defeat look and feel.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;961074]I'm not sure, lets see after the bye against PHI and DAL. Today It did kinda look like a team and staff that had that defeat look and feel.[/quote]

What are you talking about? Shanahan openly admitted defeat for the 2012 season in the post game presser.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;961076]What are you talking about? Shanahan openly admitted defeat for the 2012 season in the post game presser.[/QUOTE]

I'm saying the players

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Big hair is right. these past three year been the worst skins years imo maybe not as bad at spurriers but shanny is not the guy. We need a coach to motivate us and can use aFA as his tool more than just the draft

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[quote=Deivybaby;961078]Big hair is right. these past three year been the worst skins years imo maybe not as bad at spurriers but shanny is not the guy. We need a coach to motivate us and can use aFA as his tool more than just the draft[/quote]

We had Jim Zorn for that.

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I saw the entire offensive line get pushed around today. I saw Polumbus, Montgomery, Williams, and Lichtensteiger play pathetically. The Carolina defensive front just manhandled our o-line. It was sickening to watch. As a result, Griffin III got hit too much and sacked too much. Just terrible.

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Nobody has mailed it in. Except for a few players this team just doesnt have enough talent to compete especially with all the injuries.

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There are always ebbs and flows to a season, and ups and downs. The team has played very hard all year, has played with pride and intensity. Until last week, every loss was close; and last week's loss to Pittsburgh was just a loss to a superior team. I think falling out of contention and realizing that they weren't that good a team carried over to yesterday's game. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the team has mailed it in for the entire season, but it looked like they definitely mailed it in yesterday. Let's see how they bounce back.

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[quote=The Goat;961072]On balance, yes. No extremes here. I'm not saying total lack of effort all game long. You know what I mean anyway, you're a smart dude.[/quote]

I disagree with you then. You really think Chris Chester, Will Montgomery, Ryan Kerrigan, Lorenzo Alexander (just to name a few) have mailed it in?

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I don't believe that the Skins mailed it in versus the Panthers. They just got beat.

But now, after Mike Shanahan (of all people) waved the white flag after the Carolina game, some players probably will follow his negative example and quit. Shanahan will probably try to explain away his post game comments in his news conference today but the deed is done and he will no longer be viewed as a strong leader by either the players or the fans.

I assume that Dan Snyder now knows what he needs to do. That is, fire Mike Shanahan. Frankly, I think he should do it now. If I owned the Redskins, the last thing I would want would be a head coach who quit on me. I sure as hell would not want to see his face in the hallway at Redskins Park and be reminded on a daily basis that I'm paying a quitter to lead my team.

You lost me, Mike. Please leave now.

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[quote=irish;961088]Nobody has mailed it in. Except for a few players [B]this team just doesnt have enough talent to compete especially with all the injuries.[/B][/quote]

Its just as simple as this ^^^^^^^^^^^

Why the heck is anyone in here thinking we should be winning right now? RG3? give me a break! He is only part of the puzzle. Gotta have something to build around, now we do.

Sorry bro's, going to have to sit tight a while longer. Next year, "if" the draft and FA is executed optimally, and "if" we get our gems off IR, we will see a way different team.

It's NOT the coaching. It's years of mistakes by past regimes that will take time to sort out. Year 4-5 for Shanny.

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I've yet to see any specific examples that point to players giving up. I think we have a solid locker room full of guys that care about playing hard and wouldn't do such a thing.

I think too often fans confuse losing with players not trying hard enough. I think we're just outgunned. Injuries have piled up and taken their toll on both sides of the ball.

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Yeah, back off the ledge people. Allen and Shanahan have done a pretty good job of turning over Gibbs' absolutely dreadful roster. We're getting a few players under the age of 30 on the squad, and we're turning it around. It's going to take time to build quality depth and get the chemistry going. We've all seen how succesful changing coaches every three years can be. Give someone a chance to build a real team in DC.

We have a ways to go, but we don't have the depth to deal with injuries like the top tier teams. We lost our top WR, top TE, RT, Top pass rusher, and solid DL. Hard to keep going through that. We had holes before that, now we really have holes.

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Hey when yall mail things, who do you use? Fed Ex, UPS, or the post office? Ive found UPS usually does the best, but the flat rate boxes by the post office is tempting me

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[quote=Daseal;961165]Yeah, back off the ledge people. Allen and Shanahan have done a pretty good job of turning over Gibbs' absolutely dreadful roster. We're getting a few players under the age of 30 on the squad, and we're turning it around. It's going to take time to build quality depth and get the chemistry going. We've all seen how succesful changing coaches every three years can be. Give someone a chance to build a real team in DC.

We have a ways to go, but we don't have the depth to deal with injuries like the top tier teams. We lost our top WR, top TE, RT, Top pass rusher, and solid DL. Hard to keep going through that. We had holes before that, now we really have holes.[/quote]

Good measured and rational post. What a novel concept!

Sure it's been disappointing this year but the guys haven't mailed it in. Our recent struggles are a result of a talent gap (largely depth related) in certain areas, some flawed defensive schemes and some unfortunate circumstances in the offseason. Especially against the Giants and Pittsburgh, we don't have the talent across the board to match up. Yesterday was a bad loss to a bad team that should resonate to those in charge that the roster is far from a finished product but to say the entire team outside of a select few has mailed it in isn't true.

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I won't say the players "mailed it in", but I will say they have lost confidence in the coaches and system. Also, our culture is one where failure/losing are acceptable. For example, penalties, dropped balls, missed assignments....nothing happens to any of these guys, no accountability. How do you enforce accountability when the OC (who has been bad for 3yrs.) has no concern for his job security?

Enough is enough. If I'm Snyder, I can get the same results for a whole hell of a lot less than $ 7M / yr.

On top of all this, the Shannys are stunting RG3's development. This gimmickly college read option BS isn't developing RG3 into a Brees or A. Rodgers type QB. RG3 is extremely bright and accurate, stop holding the young man back and let him play the NFL game....will his Comp % drop, yes. Will he be far better long term, absolutely.

[QUOTE=44ever;961098]Its just as simple as this ^^^^^^^^^^^

Why the heck is anyone in here thinking we should be winning right now? RG3? give me a break! He is only part of the puzzle. Gotta have something to build around, now we do.

Sorry bro's, going to have to sit tight a while longer. Next year, "if" the draft and FA is executed optimally, and "if" we get our gems off IR, we will see a way different team.

It's NOT the coaching. It's years of mistakes by past regimes that will take time to sort out. Year 4-5 for Shanny.[/QUOTE]

Your saying we don't have talent and I agree but who's fault is that? Mike has been here three years now it's his fault

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[quote=Mattyk;961146]I've yet to see any specific examples that point to players giving up. I think we have a solid locker room full of guys that care about playing hard and wouldn't do such a thing.

I think too often fans confuse losing with players not trying hard enough. I think we're just outgunned. Injuries have piled up and taken their toll on both sides of the ball.[/quote]

The only example I saw of a player giving up is when the ref blew the whistle and our guys stoped on the play and the they turned around and gave Carolina the TD.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;961177]I won't say the players "mailed it in", but I will say they have lost confidence in the coaches and system. Also, our culture is one where failure/losing are acceptable. For example, penalties, dropped balls, missed assignments....nothing happens to any of these guys, no accountability. How do you enforce accountability when the OC (who has been bad for 3yrs.) has no concern for his job security?

Enough is enough. If I'm Snyder, I can get the same results for a whole hell of a lot less than $ 7M / yr.

[B]On top of all this, the Shannys are stunting RG3's development.[/B] This gimmickly college read option BS isn't developing RG3 into a Brees or A. Rodgers type QB. RG3 is extremely bright and accurate, stop holding the young man back and let him play the NFL game....will his Comp % drop, yes. Will he be far better long term, absolutely.[/quote] Wait, really? Stunting his development? The guy has been UNIVERSALLY praised for his ability to this point in the passing game including reading defenses and making tough throws but he's being stunted in his development? While I will agree with you somewhat about the volume of read option that is our playbook, it's been damn effective, even against the top defenses we've faced.

If Garçon and Davis were both healthy, I think we'd see a slightly more traditional offense but dropping back and expecting Hankerson, Robinson and Paulsen to consistently win their matchups and develop a passing rhythm is a recipe for getting RG3 killed in the pocket.

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[quote=firstdown;961185]The only example I saw of a player giving up is when the ref blew the whistle and our guys stoped on the play and the they turned around and gave Carolina the TD.[/quote]

Yeah and that's not the type of giving up we're talking about obviously. The refs really blew that call. Once the whistle blows the play is supposed to be dead. That was a replacement refs type of call.

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Dan Snyder's last football decision was to get rid of Cerratto and hire Bruce Allen who hired Mike Shanahan and who has the power to fire Mike Shanahan. But Bruce Allen won't do it. Allen is the one who fired Zorn after Zorn went 12-20. Now Shanahan has won 24 games and has lost 27. But I doubt if Bruce Allen fires him.

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I don't think anybody is mailing it in, but it's obvious the defensive players either don't believe in the system (haslett doesn't so not sure why they would) or just simply that terrible. Don't think they've been the same since Cruz put that dagger in their hearts.

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[quote=Paintrain;961188]Wait, really? Stunting his development? [B][I]The guy has been UNIVERSALLY praised for his ability to this point in the passing game including reading defenses and making tough throws but he's being stunted in his development?[/I][/B] While I will agree with you somewhat about the volume of read option that is our playbook, it's been damn effective, even against the top defenses we've faced.

If Garçon and Davis were both healthy, I think we'd see a slightly more traditional offense but dropping back and expecting Hankerson, Robinson and Paulsen to consistently win their matchups and develop a passing rhythm is a recipe for getting RG3 killed in the pocket.[/quote]This is my point, RG3 isn't Cam or Vick, he's got the ability in the passing game that's on par with Luck and will develop into a Brees/Rogers/S. Young type QB....if given the chance. I haven't been doing the DVR and going back over the games play-by-play or invested in the all-22, but the only time KS is opening up the offense is when we're behind and he has to.

I don't mind the RO every once in a while, but let RG3 work out of gun in a traditional NFL passing O more. Our WRs are good enough to get open vs. Zone and are good enough to beat press. Especially with MS throwing in the towel on the season, open the O up and let RG3 learn.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;961178]Your saying we don't have talent and I agree but who's fault is that? Mike has been here three years now it's his fault[/quote]

Unfortunately, but not surprisingly to any long time Skins fan, most of the talent we do have are injured. We just cant seem to get anything going no matter who is coach or what the roster looks like.

Bad luck? The curse? Coincidence? I don't know. The only variable left is the constant change in personnel across the board. How many Coaches, QB's, ect. is it gonna take?

At this point, the only thing we have not tried is staying put as far as (FO, Coaching, Staff) We need to see this thru 5 years. Or we can just keep this BS going on forever...

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Just read where the Redskins had homecoming celebration and homecoming written on the programs at the stadium. The Panthers were pizzed and highly motivated said one Panther player

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[quote=Sonny9TD;961231]Just read where the Redskins had homecoming celebration and homecoming written on the programs at the stadium. The Panthers were pizzed and highly motivated said one Panther player[/quote]

The whole nation saw who the homecoming beeetches were. Didnt know it was a nationally televised game til this morning. Embarrassing. "You are what you record says you are"- Bill Parcells. And i cant stand him but he's right about that!!!!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;961227]This is my point, RG3 isn't Cam or Vick, he's got the ability in the passing game that's on par with Luck and will develop into a Brees/Rogers/S. Young type QB....if given the chance. I haven't been doing the DVR and going back over the games play-by-play or invested in the all-22, but the only time KS is opening up the offense is when we're behind and he has to.

[B]I don't mind the RO every once in a while, but let RG3 work out of gun in a traditional NFL passing O more. Our WRs are good enough to get open vs. Zone and are good enough to beat press.[/B] Especially with MS throwing in the towel on the season, open the O up and let RG3 learn.[/quote]

I guess this is where we disagree then. I don't think with our current crop of WR/TE we can have an effective traditional passing game yet. We are still trying to move the ball and score and the current 'gimmick' offense is accomplishing that task. 9 games into his career, I don't think any damage has been done to his learning curve. If this is our entire offense at this point next year, I'll be saying the same things you are but I think it's a little early and with the injuries to Garçon and Davis, difficult to expect much from a traditional offense.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;961231]Just read where the Redskins had homecoming celebration and homecoming written on the programs at the stadium. The Panthers were pizzed and highly motivated said one Panther player[/quote]
If an NFL player or team needs or gains motivation from a game program or promotion, that says far more about them than it does us.

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[quote=Paintrain;961243]I guess this is where we disagree then. I don't think with our current crop of WR/TE we can have an effective traditional passing game yet. We are still trying to move the ball and score and the current 'gimmick' offense is accomplishing that task. 9 games into his career, I don't think any damage has been done to his learning curve. If this is our entire offense at this point next year, I'll be saying the same things you are but I think it's a little early and with the injuries to Garçon and Davis, difficult to expect much from a traditional offense.[/quote]

Agreed.

And I don't think RG3 is comfortable yet making all the reads. He'll get there in time, that's what the offseason is for. Right now the best way to use him is in this option/read scheme.

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Fail for Barkley!

Panthers could care less about our homecoming lol. They beat us because we aren't any good

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I thought the argument this summer was that Mike/Kyle were too stubborn to adjust to RG3 and modify the offense to what he's comfortable/familiar with to help him adjust. Now it's they're too stubborn to let him adjust to them?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;961247]Panthers could care less about our homecoming lol. They beat us because we aren't any good[/quote]

Care less enough to be pizzed. I don't think that is what "care less" means if one is in fact pizzed. Your point about sucking is another deal altogether. It does happen to be true so you're half right. Which is still better than the "Skins" right now.

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[quote=Paintrain;961244]If an NFL player or team needs or gains motivation from a game program or promotion, that says far more about them than it does us.[/quote]

What does it say? That should be a good read.

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It's been said in this thread already, so I'll reiterate. This team's had injuries to key positions. They're missing their top 2 receivers in Garcon and Davis, the best pass rusher in Orakpo, a line hog in Carriker, and the secondary has been banged up and bruised including 2 guys (one injured, one suspended) who were supposed to be big contributors who haven't played. The depth on this team clearly is lacking, and you're asking guys who should be playing sparingly (if at all) to contribute as starters. On top of that, the Skins are 18 million in the hole salary cap wise, and will be again next year. That is money that would normally help build depth, and it's simply not there.

The team has 2 weeks to regroup and get ready for the next 7 games, and show what kind of toughness they have. If you think we take it hard when the Skins lose, there are 53 men in that locker room who take it that much harder. And on top of that, you have fans who question them day in and day out. While I won't give them a free pass being 3-6 at this point, I will give them the benefit of the doubt in that they haven't mailed it in yet.