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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/11/12/pierre-garcon-returns-to-practice-along-with-brandon-meriweather-jammal-brown-santana-moss/]Pierre Garcon returns to practice, along with Brandon Meriweather, Jammal Brown, Santana Moss[/url]

ill be there, so this is wonderful news

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Pierre needs to get on with surgery if it's pain all the time. He may have been back already if he had surgery and the pain probably gone. Torn ligament should be fixed as best as possible as quick as possible. Not having surgery when he can make tons in the NFL as well as fix it is a decision that will probably be done but should have already been done. We need help from our receivers not this. Hoping Niles Paul and Hankerson are ready to step up.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;963445]Pierre needs to get on with surgery if it's pain all the time. He may have been back already if he had surgery and the pain probably gone. Torn ligament should be fixed as best as possible as quick as possible. Not having surgery when he can make tons in the NFL as well as fix it is a decision that will probably be done but should have already been done. We need help from our receivers not this. Hoping Niles Paul and Hankerson are ready to step up.[/quote]

If you read the entire article it said that the surgery might not even help and my guess would be if the chances it would help were high he would have had it operated on.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;963445]Pierre needs to get on with surgery if it's pain all the time. He may have been back already if he had surgery and the pain probably gone. Torn ligament should be fixed as best as possible as quick as possible. Not having surgery when he can make tons in the NFL as well as fix it is a decision that will probably be done but should have already been done. We need help from our receivers not this. [B]Hoping Niles Paul and Hankerson are ready to step up[/B].[/quote]

Niles Paul and Hankerson are not stepping up and that's been the problem. How do other teams always find these no name guys to step up and play well, but the Skins don't? WR has been a problem for this team since Gary Clark left. Morgan has been an OK pickup, but loosing Davis and Garcon is starting to catch up to this team in the scoring department the last couple of weeks. When your best receiver is Logan Paulson, you have problems.

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As I understand it, based on my own experience, ligament tears are tricky and, particularly in the foot, are hard to repair unless operated on relatively quickly. If not, they "scar-up" in the torn position and never fully heal. I am holding out hope b/c I am no doctor and maybe they know something I don't. But, honestly, it sounds a lot like what happened with my foot (torn ligament in the metatarsil). I had surgery several months after the actual tear and, over a year later, my foot is still not right.

Foot and hand stuff is very tricky b/c of the many working parts that go into them. Lots of little bones and ligaments that, if damaged, are hard to heal up.

My bet is that it never fully goes away and he will have to get to the point where it is simply a manageable pain that doesn't increase the damage.

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As much as I want to be happy about this, something tells me he's going to be playing hurt and probably will not be as effective as he normally would be.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;963453]As I understand it, based on my own experience, ligament tears are tricky and, particularly in the foot, are hard to repair unless operated on relatively quickly. If not, they "scar-up" in the torn position and never fully heal. I am holding out hope b/c I am no doctor and maybe they know something I don't. But, honestly, it sounds a lot like what happened with my foot (torn ligament in the metatarsil). I had surgery several months after the actual tear and, over a year later, my foot is still not right.

Foot and hand stuff is very tricky b/c of the many working parts that go into them. Lots of little bones and ligaments that, if damaged, are hard to heal up.

My bet is that it never fully goes away and he will have to get to the point where it is simply a manageable pain that doesn't increase the damage.[/quote]

I think Garcon said yesterday he expects he probably will have this pain for the rest of his career and doesn't want to have surgery because that potentially could be even worse. It's a shame all around

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Garcon - even at 75% might be able to give us something.

JB - eh, might as well stick with Polumbus at this point. I give him 2 weeks before he's banged up again.

Meriweather - sure would be nice if he could get in there and give us some halfway decent play at safety.

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I also read where Garcon doesn't want surgery. And yes it would be nice to see Meriweather make a difference. He could possibly help a lot. He says he feels 100%. We shall see...

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[quote=53Fan;963470]I also read where Garcon doesn't want surgery. And yes it would be nice to see Meriweather make a difference. He could possibly help a lot. He says he feels 100%. We shall see...[/quote]

I would be shocked if Garcon plays again this season, let's hope Meriweather doesn't bump into anyone at practice :)

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From the looks of it, if AA clears waivers, we are going to pick him back up.



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[quote=SFREDSKIN;963474]I would be shocked if Garcon plays again this season, let's hope Meriweather doesn't bump into anyone at practice :)[/quote]

Yeah he doesn't seem to handle that "contact" thing too well. :)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;963474]I would be shocked if Garcon plays again this season, let's hope Meriweather doesn't bump into anyone at practice :)[/quote]
They should put MW in a red jersey.

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So Merriweather is practicing?
Will he play on Sunday?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;963487]So Merriweather is practicing?
Will he play on Sunday?[/quote]

He told reporters they'll find out about 12:55 Sunday. Said he felt 100% at practice.

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Meriweather is expected to make his debut, as long as there are no more pre-game accidents. :doh:


Is it sick that I thought this thread titled "great injury news" was going to be about Michael Vick? :D

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[quote=SmootSmack;963461]I think Garcon said yesterday [B]he expects he probably will have this pain for the rest of his career and doesn't want to have surgery because that potentially could be even worse.[/B] It's a shame all around[/quote]

After hearing that, I feel like he's another FA we can add to the bust list.

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It's still too early to call Garcon a bust. Some injuries never fully heal. Just because he has to play with the pain for the remainder of his career doesn't mean he still can't produce. It simply means that he'll be playing with pain until he's done playing.

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PG, if he busts, is not the typical FA bust of years past. AH, Jason Taylor, McNabb, etc big names that had no intention of making the Skins a better team. Nothing I have seen from PG sends the message he wasn't hoping to come in, and go full speed from day one. Does it add to the snakebit feeling yes, but I just don't put him in the Redskins bust mode of FA's yet, or probably ever.

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[quote=SmootSmack;963461]I think Garcon said yesterday he expects he probably will have this pain for the rest of his career and doesn't want to have surgery because that potentially could be even worse. It's a shame all around[/quote]whaaaat

that's just grand

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[quote=NC_Skins;963475]From the looks of it, if AA clears waivers, we are going to pick him back up.



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I wouldn't mind that because of his speed and he can stretch the field...especially with PG's condition. He's never really had big numbers or been much of a difference maker though from what I remember. Than again he's never had Griffin throwing to him in the regular season either. Could be interesting. Worth a shot at this point.

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[quote=53Fan;963546]I wouldn't mind that because of his speed and he can stretch the field...especially with PG's condition. He's never really had big numbers or been much of a difference maker though from what I remember. Than again he's never had Griffin throwing to him in the regular season either. Could be interesting. Worth a shot at this point.[/quote]

44 catches for 872 yards in 2010.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;963524]PG, if he busts, is not the typical FA bust of years past. AH, Jason Taylor, McNabb, etc big names that had no intention of making the Skins a better team. Nothing I have seen from PG sends the message he wasn't hoping to come in, and go full speed from day one. Does it add to the snakebit feeling yes, but I just don't put him in the Redskins bust mode of FA's yet, or probably ever.[/quote]

Way to early to call him a bust or even not a good signing. I agree he in no way fits in with the other guys you mentioned. But it does bring back that we can't win for losing feeling. Hate to see this happen to such a young guy with a promising career with a great QB ahead of him. Like Joe said...he will probably play with some pain until the end of his career. He certainly won't be the first. Just hope it at least becomes tolerable enough to still play at a high level.

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[quote=53Fan;963493]He told reporters they'll find out about 12:55 Sunday. Said he felt 100% at practice.[/quote]You guys think Garcon needs more time to get in football shape, or he's been working out enough?

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can he pass the fitness test?

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Garcon should go to Europe for the stem cell treatment Manning others have gone through.

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At least AA caught the ball most of the time..... Tired of seeing the drops!

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Sooooo, can we do something to minimize Garcon's (wasted) salary toward our cap?

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[quote=The Goat;963613]Sooooo, can we do something to minimize Garcon's (wasted) salary toward our cap?[/quote]

WTF do you think we can do?

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[quote=Chico23231;963616]WTF do you think we can do?[/quote]

Sprinkling fairy dust on it will render it invisible.

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injury tax combined w double cooley contract negates the cap penalties in a strange loophole. all garcon has to do is fill out and mail his injury tax forms* and we get our whole $36M back

*cooley has to make a sworn statement, in regards

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;963524]PG, if he busts, is not the typical FA bust of years past. AH, [B]Jason Taylor[/B], McNabb, etc big names that had no intention of making the Skins a better team. Nothing I have seen from PG sends the message he wasn't hoping to come in, and go full speed from day one. Does it add to the snakebit feeling yes, but I just don't put him in the Redskins bust mode of FA's yet, or probably ever.[/quote]


I won't call JT a bust he had that stupid injury that followed him all year. Also his age was a real big factor

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[quote=HailGreen28;963557]You guys think Garcon needs more time to get in football shape, or he's been working out enough?[/quote]

I was speaking of Meriweather. Hard to say about Garcon. If he's been wearing an orthepedic device...which I think I heard...and resting his foot it's hard to see him in game shape other than a decoy maybe.

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[quote=los panda;963618]injury tax combined w double cooley contract negates the cap penalties in a strange loophole. all garcon has to do is fill out and mail his injury tax forms* and we get our whole $36M back

*cooley has to make a sworn statement, in regards[/quote]

Is this a straight answer in regards to one of Goats posts? Daaaamn!

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I think Merryweather will play, hopefully hes in game shape. I cannot see Garcon going Sunday. Still walking with pain after a 6 week rest..not good news. I would not be suprised to see him IR Monday.

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[quote=53Fan;963626]Is this a straight answer in regards to one of Goats posts? Daaaamn![/quote]it is, i just hope garcon gets his forms postmarked by thursday midnight.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;963524]PG, if he busts, is not the typical FA bust of years past. AH, Jason Taylor, McNabb, etc big names that had no intention of making the Skins a better team. Nothing I have seen from PG sends the message he wasn't hoping to come in, and go full speed from day one. Does it add to the snakebit feeling yes, but I just don't put him in the Redskins bust mode of FA's yet, or probably ever.[/quote]

Garcon was never a great player like those guys though. It was all about potential with him, and that seems to be waning.

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Is that the final date as far as getting the whole 36 mil? If it goes past that can some of the money still be recuped towards the cap? Oh...and thanks for the AA stats Quake.

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[quote=53Fan;963631]Is that the final date as far as getting the whole 36 mil? If it goes past that can some of the money still be recuped towards the cap?[/quote]that's the final date, once that date passes, only albert haynesworth can help us out there. it's a similar type of form, but it's in regards to conduct. cooley will still have to give sworn testimony, and that form will have to be postmarked by 11/30/12 midnight.

but, there is nothing in it for haynesworth, and he has shown reluctance. snyder is working w tom cruise to put together a package that may entice haynesworth. keep your fingers crossed

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[quote=Chico23231;963616]WTF do you think we can do?[/quote]

Have no idea man that's why I asked. Garcon was an inconsistent WR to begin with, and now he looks to have a nagging injury for the remainder of his career. Really, really hard to imagine he can be our #1 guy, but he's getting paid like one and we need that money badly.

I mean, at this point I think you do whatever is best salary cap wise. Cut him? Force immediate renegotiation of contract?