Rolando McClain About to Get His Walking Papers. Should We Claim Him?
 

Before someone posts about this in yet another thread let's go ahead and start a fresh thread about this

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Other lesser teams have priority, say the Cowboys put a claim due to no Lee or Carter and the skins beating them. They get him, right? He'll be a hot commodity if he's cut.

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Yes. Upside is high. Deal is probably friendly and we could cut him after the season with no hit if he tanks. He was really very good as a 3-4 ilb in college. He should get one more shot in NOT Oakland.

I say yes. He is young and it sounds like he will be thrilled to play somewhere else - looking to prove something. Everyone deserves a second chance and ilb is an area of need. Cant believe some other teams wont be looking to give him the same second chance though.

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You'd have to know why a top first round pick was being cut in the middle of the season 2 years after he was drafted. From what I've been reading, his play has been reduced due to poor play and bad conditioning.

I'm sure many teams will put in a claim for him on waivers. Hell, even Babin had 10 teams put in a claim.

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In this case I'd say yes. He's young, very talented, and the Raiders usually don't know what they're doing. Maybe being around Fletch could be the best thing that's ever happened to him.

[QUOTE=53Fan;968864]In this case I'd say yes. He's young, very talented, and the Raiders usually don't know what they're doing. Maybe being around Fletch could be the best thing that's ever happened to him.[/QUOTE]

Two really good points.

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I didn't know Yolanda Mcdale so here:

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/player/rolandomcclain/496941/profile"]Rolando McClain, MLB for the Oakland Raiders at NFL.com[/URL]

Big kid!! I think if we're staying in the 3-4 bring him in, because Fletcher will mentor him like he mentored Riley and they'll be our starters (the three will rotate next two years and then McClain and Riley will go full time when London retires at 39!!). I don't see Zoe or Robinson ever getting to that level.

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YES! He isn't an immediate need like safety, CB, RT, but he is a need. Especially when looking at the future, and seeing London is clearly showing more age this year than other years. He was a BEAST 3-4 ILB in college. You have to wonder why they're cutting him. I think it may have to do with his trouble with the law. For those that don't know or remember, he was the guy who took a rather 'happy' photo when he was being arrested... [IMG]http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4ed8ed8d69bedda359000012/rolando-mcclain-arrest-photo.jpg[/IMG]

As I mentioned in the other thread, I'm sure the Chiefs will pick him up, they're the worst team in the NFL (first dibs at everyone), they have no ILB opposite Derrick Johnson, and its the same division opponent so they have a chance at using him against his old team. But damn, I would get Rolando and cut Kehl in a heart beat.

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Big difference between college and pro. Some guys can make the adjustment and some can't. McClain has never been able to make that adjustment. No thanks.

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From what everyone is saying, it seems like he would be a great add. At the same time, if that is true, I slipping past the teams ahead of us on the waiver wire.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;968901]From what everyone is saying, it seems like he would be a great add. At the same time, if that is true, I slipping past the teams ahead of us on the waiver wire.[/quote]

Unless his attitude totally sucks he'd be a great addition. But yeah, our chances of actually getting him are pretty slim.

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I would actually offer the Raiders a 7th round pick for the guy since he will not get to us in waivers. Only 23 years old and miscast in 43 defense. Could be worth the risk.

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It would be a major miracle if we get a chance to claim him, there will be a waiting list for Rolando.

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[quote=celts32;968942]I would actually offer the Raiders a 7th round pick for the guy since he will not get to us in waivers. Only 23 years old and miscast in 43 defense. Could be worth the risk.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. Its a seventh rounder. Hell had we of spent a seventh on Vontaze Burfict in this draft we would have had londons replacement there, guy is a beast right now for Cincy.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;968944]I was thinking the same thing. Its a seventh rounder. Hell had we of spent a seventh on Vontaze Burfict in this draft we would have had londons replacement there, guy is a beast right now for Cincy.[/quote]

Agreed. I am not one to throw around draft picks (unless it's for a QB obviousy) but if they like this guy and think he can be a long term player for them then it's worth a late rounder. If they only see him as a guy to roster for the rest of this season then just put in a claim and leave it at that...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;968944]I was thinking the same thing. Its a seventh rounder. Hell had we of spent a seventh on Vontaze Burfict in this draft we would have had londons replacement there, guy is a beast right now for Cincy.[/quote]
Were past the trade deadline

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[quote=53Fan;968936]Unless his attitude totally sucks he'd be a great addition. But yeah, our chances of actually getting him are pretty slim.[/quote]

I am wondering if the more knowledgeable folks can explain this...if McClain gets released to waivers and some team picks him up from waivers, that team will pick up his contract correct?

And if no one picks him up from waivers, then the Raiders get stuck with paying him the rest of his guaranteed money, correct?

If this is the case...I wonder if teams would wait for him to go through waivers, given how shady the circumstances are behind his release.

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I doubt he drops to them, just like Babin. I bet they put in a claim though.

I can't confirm it, but based on doing a web search, his money next year isn't guaranteed.

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[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/rolando-mcclain/]Rolando McClain Contract, Salaries, and Transactions[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;968963]I am wondering if the more knowledgeable folks can explain this...if McClain gets released to waivers and some team picks him up from waivers, that team will pick up his contract correct?

And if no one picks him up from waivers, then the Raiders get stuck with paying him the rest of his guaranteed money, correct?

If this is the case...I wonder if teams would wait for him to go through waivers, given how shady the circumstances are behind his release.[/quote]

Some teams try and wait, but a waiver gives you a definite answer based on your waiver position at a definite price (the player's current contract).

If a player clears waivers then the player has more of an advantage because he can negotiate with all the teams and maybe even end up with a better deal, plus possibly get paid from the other team (depending on offset language in the player's old contract).

Plus he can simply say no to a team he doesn't want to go to. He can't do that on a waiver claim

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as long as he has stopped firing guns beside people's heads

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[quote=Evilgrin;968965][URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/rolando-mcclain/"]Rolando McClain Contract, Salaries, and Transactions[/URL][/quote]


Ouch. His base salary is $4mil next year and $5.8 in 2014....can't afford him at that price.

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[quote=jsnyder03;968982]Ouch. His base salary is $4mil next year and $5.8 in 2014....can't afford him at that price.[/quote]

Remember we get some flexibility back in 2014...again, a gamble but if he becomes a replacement for fletcher I pay that price

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I never would have guessed this thread would have been created before 2020. He was supposed to be the safest pick in his class. Even more so then the likes of Eric Berry, Joe Haden, and Russell OKUNGGGGGG! Top 15 linebackers seem to have a higher bust rate then QB's and DT's. Von Miller is the only college linebacker I can think of in recent years that met expectations.

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[quote=cdskins26;968984]Remember we get some flexibility back in 2014...again, a gamble but if he becomes a replacement for fletcher I pay that price[/quote]

And you would be foolish for paying that price. If Fletcher were retiring after this season, then you would have a point. But there's no evidence to support that happening.

We can't commit that much money to an ILB in 2013 - when we have an 18MM cap penalty - if Fletcher is still on the team. Its a luxury we cant afford. Perry Riley has looked pretty good next to Fletcher. Id be shocked if Fletcher was not still starting on this team in the 2015 season... we should be grooming young, cheap talent to replace him, not spending big bucks on who will be come a free agent before Fletcher retires. If Fletcher retires and we dont have confidence in one of those young players replacing him, THEN its reasonable to spend on a pricey free agent.

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Fletch has another year left at most. Signing Ro may expedite his departure

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;968987]And you would be foolish for paying that price. If Fletcher were retiring after this season, then you would have a point. But there's no evidence to support that happening.

We can't commit that much money to an ILB in 2013 - when we have an 18MM cap penalty - if Fletcher is still on the team. Its a luxury we cant afford. Perry Riley has looked pretty good next to Fletcher. [B]Id be shocked if Fletcher was not still starting on this team in the 2015 season[/B]... we should be grooming young, cheap talent to replace him, not spending big bucks on who will be come a free agent before Fletcher retires. If Fletcher retires and we dont have confidence in one of those young players replacing him, THEN its reasonable to spend on a pricey free agent.[/quote]you'll be shocked

[QUOTE=los panda;968970]as long as he has stopped firing guns beside people's heads[/QUOTE]

I thought he just held it there while the man begged for his life. Jeez your making him seem emotionally unstable with the whole "firing" thing.
:)

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Why the hate on Fletcher? Granted, he's been hurt regularly this year but he's played through it. While he's lost a step, he's still playing at a high level. Why the doom and gloom on Fletcher?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;968994]Why the hate on Fletcher? Granted, he's been hurt regularly this year but he's played through it. While he's lost a step, he's still playing at a high level. Why the doom and gloom on Fletcher?[/quote]no doom and gloom, just doubt he'll be starting here in 2015 at age 40, that's all.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;968994]Why the hate on Fletcher? Granted, he's been hurt regularly this year but he's played through it. While he's lost a step, he's still playing at a high level. Why the doom and gloom on Fletcher?[/quote]

He's NOT playing at a high level. We've been over this and have shown you the numbers. He's fallen off the cliff and then some. Haven't you noticed the missed tackles and how offenses target the guys being covered by our LBs? Nobody is hating on Fletcher, but the numbers and play do not support any notion of "high level".

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Honestly, what's the likelihood we can snag him? Not good odds I'd bet.

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[quote=mbedner3420;969019]Honestly, what's the likelihood we can snag him? Not good odds I'd bet.[/quote]

Fletcher is banged up...so we may put a claim. Still, I think he clears waivers.

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[quote=Ruhskins;969020]Fletcher is banged up...so we may put a claim. Still, I think he clears waivers.[/quote]

Why? Because of his contract or the odd nature of his release?

I still think we should claim him too, but I don't think we win it.

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has he even been released yet?

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[quote=mbedner3420;969024]Why? [B]Because of his contract or the odd nature of his release?[/B]

I still think we should claim him too, but I don't think we win it.[/quote]

I just have a gut feeling that it would be either one of these two things (or both). Plus the Raiders always get the shaft in these situations. I don't know, just a gut feeling.

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[quote=los panda;969026]has he even been released yet?[/quote]

If he is, he'll pop up on the waiver list at 4pm

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;968994]Why the hate on Fletcher? Granted, he's been hurt regularly this year but he's played through it. While he's lost a step, he's still playing at a high level. Why the doom and gloom on Fletcher?[/QUOTE]

No hate. Dudes been giving it 110 % for years. All good things must end though.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;968985]I never would have guessed this thread would have been created before 2020. He was supposed to be the safest pick in his class. Even more so then the likes of Eric Berry, Joe Haden, and Russell OKUNGGGGGG! Top 15 linebackers seem to have a higher bust rate then QB's and DT's. Von Miller is the only college linebacker I can think of in recent years that met expectations.[/quote]

Aaron Curry was supposed to be the safest pick in his class too, and that didn't work out well either.