Replacing the KO
 

Just read in [URL="http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2012/12/06/cover-story-how-far-will-roger-goodell-go-to-protect-the-game-he-loves/"]Time Magazine[/URL] that Goodell got an idea from Schiano for a team starting on their 30 yard at 4th and 15, and either opting to go for it or punting.

I like it, if we're really trying to do away with injuries. Makes for an exciting start on fakes also.

[I]One idea that Goodell predicts will get more consideration: eliminating kickoffs. Fans may object to this rule change, since kickoffs produce thrilling returns. TIME sat in on meeting between Goodell and Rich McKay, head of the NFL’s powerful competition committee. Goodell brought up a proposal promoted by Greg Schiano, coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers: after a touchdown or field goal, instead of kicking off, a team would get the ball on its own 30-yard line, where it’s fourth and 15. The options are either to go for it and try to retain possession, or punt. If you go for it and fall short, the opposing team would take over with good field position. In essence, punts would replace kickoffs, and punts are less susceptible to violent collisions than kickoffs. “The fact is,” Goodell says. “It’s a much different end of the play…It’s an off-the-wall idea. It’s different and makes you think differently. It did me.”[/I]

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Tweak the current setup to bring the ball out to the 25 on touch backs and I think they've got something good.

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I'd just make whoever won the coin toss, start on their 20yrd line. Most kicks are gonig through the endzone anyway to eliminate good returns. But if your going to eliminate the KO you might as well eliminate the Punt also cause I don't see much difference... guys running down field full speed looking to hit someone going in the opposite direction (namely the PR). Some are getting blasted when the return team blows someone up sideways.

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[quote=FRPLG;971611]Tweak the current setup to bring the ball out to the 25 on touch backs and I think they've got something good.[/quote]

I like this idea but I'd say if the kick is in bounds then the team must run it, if the ball is kicked into the endzone and caught the return team can either run it or touch back and placed on the 20yrd line. If the ball goes through the endzone.... return team starts on the 25 yrd line. That might keep teams from just kicking it through the endzone.

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Not sure I'm big on the idea proposed in that article, but I do think it's only a matter of time before kickoffs are phased out.

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are punts actually THAT much safer than kick-offs to begin with?

not in my opinion

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[quote=SBXVII;971615]I like this idea but I'd say if the kick is in bounds then the team must run it, if the ball is kicked into the endzone and caught the return team can either run it or touch back and placed on the 20yrd line. If the ball goes through the endzone.... return team starts on the 25 yrd line. That might keep teams from just kicking it through the endzone.[/quote]

Thats why to do it. To eliminate most kickoffs.

Matty's right..they;re going away eventually.

I say just kill now.

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I don't like the idea in the article at all. They can come up with something better than that...FRPLG just did. Placing the ball on the 25 on touchbacks would diminish the number of returns thereby diminish the number of collisions without totally revamping the whole process.

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Kick offs are not going away. The current system still allows for the onside kick, missed kick out of bounds, a return, and a pooch kick (probably not the correct name or spelling).

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i think the idea proposed in the magazine is ridiculously stupid. i also dont understand why punting is ok, but kickoffs are bad. I would think there would be similar risks of collisions with both plays. Instead of eliminating kickoffs, the NFL should just develop better helmets, even if they are ridiculous looking.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;971639]i think the idea proposed in the magazine is ridiculously stupid. i also dont understand why punting is ok, but kickoffs are bad. I would think there would be similar risks of collisions with both plays. Instead of eliminating kickoffs, the NFL should just develop better helmets, even if they are ridiculous looking.[/quote]

I don't see a difference either....

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[quote=Meks;971622]are punts actually THAT much safer than kick-offs to begin with?

not in my opinion[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think the NFL stance is that while there is a possibility of a single violent collision on a punt, there is the possibility for several during a kickoff. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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Watch a punt and compare it to the movements during a kick off. That may help.

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On a punt, blocking starts on the line of scrimmage. On a KO guys have a running start before any contact is even made. There are many more violent collisions on KO's.

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[quote=53Fan;971655]On a punt, blocking starts on the line of scrimmage. On a KO guys have a running start before any contact is even made.[/quote]

Well, now you're ruined the movie for them........

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i would hate to see the kickoff go

anything can happen on the play

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[quote=RedskinRat;971658]Well, now you're ruined the movie for them........[/quote]

Lol! My bad.

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Is it really that hard to see the difference between punts and kickoffs?

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[quote=firstdown;971638]Kick offs are not going away. The current system still allows for the onside kick, missed kick out of bounds, a return, and a pooch kick (probably not the correct name or spelling).[/quote]

Good points about onsides on so forth...can't really eliminate those in my opinion because it is a very fundamental change.

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[quote=Mattyk;971666]Is it really that hard to see the difference between punts and kickoffs?[/quote]remember all those punt return wedges?

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[quote=Mattyk;971666]Is it really that hard to see the difference between punts and kickoffs?[/quote]

Now we have an answer to the question: Who snorts the most cock before kickoff?

I did always wonder.....

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I can see how some might think KOs aren't any more dangerous..especially since the image of a single gunner getting downfield and leveling the returner is pretty well known. But the difference is on KOs is that EVERYBODY is going full bore like that...it sorta makes everyone not look as fast and diminishes proper perspective.

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[quote=RedskinRat;971669]Now we have an answer to the question: Who snorts the most cock before kickoff?

I did always wonder.....[/quote]

Is it a PED?

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[quote=FRPLG;971675]Is it a PED?[/quote]

It depends on what you consider a PED. You've seen FD's posts, you call it.

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At first glance, this idea seems idiotic because it's so far outside the realm of what we know football to be.

Thinking through this idea though, it's not as crazy as it may seem when you consider the nature of most coaches. For most of the game, a coach would not risk giving up that type of field position by going for it so they would probably punt it away. The percentages of teams retaining the ball is slim, probably at or lower than current onside kick success rates. But this also gives an opportunity for teams to try to get an additional offensive possession at the end of games (like an onside kick) if they need to as opposed to eliminating the kickoff altogether and killing that option.

As for the difference between a kickoff and a punt, on a kickoff, 10 players are spread across the field, with a running start against basically retreating targets. On a punt there is stationary contact at the line and controlled contact all the way down the field. Huge difference.

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[quote=los panda;971668]remember all those punt return wedges?[/quote]

No. But I do love me some potato wedges.

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[quote=RedskinRat;971669]Now we have an answer to the question: Who [I][B]snorts the most cock[/B][/I] before kickoff?

I did always wonder.....[/quote]

Um, is that a thing? I've heard of snorting coke, but.....:vomit:

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[quote=Paintrain;971687]Um, is that a thing? I've heard of snorting coke, but.....:vomit:[/quote]

Pain isn't in on the joke. How quaint.

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[quote=firstdown;971638]Kick offs are not going away. The current system still allows for the onside kick, missed kick out of bounds, a return, and a pooch kick (probably not the correct name or spelling).[/quote]

Right. The problem with getting rid of kick-offs is that you are getting rid of onside kicks. So the Schiano solution would take care of that. I like it.

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[quote=Paintrain;971687]Um, is that a thing? I've heard of snorting coke, but.....:vomit:[/quote]

Paintrain, meet First Down. First Down, put down the rooster and meet Paintrain.

Or you could just read FD's magnificent post [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/50594-in-the-year-2000-a.html#post971228"]here[/URL] which he's subsequently edited. Daseal ([B]correction[/B]) quoted him later in the thread so it's saved for eternity.

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[quote=RedskinRat;971606]Just read in [URL="http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2012/12/06/cover-story-how-far-will-roger-goodell-go-to-protect-the-game-he-loves/"]Time Magazine[/URL] that Goodell got an idea from Schiano for a team starting on their 30 yard at 4th and 15, and either opting to go for it or punting.

I like it, if we're really trying to do away with injuries. Makes for an exciting start on fakes also.

[I]One idea that Goodell predicts will get more consideration: eliminating kickoffs. Fans may object to this rule change, since kickoffs produce thrilling returns. TIME sat in on meeting between Goodell and Rich McKay, head of the NFL’s powerful competition committee. Goodell brought up a proposal promoted by Greg Schiano, coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers: after a touchdown or field goal, instead of kicking off, a team would get the ball on its own 30-yard line, where it’s fourth and 15. The options are either to go for it and try to retain possession, or punt. If you go for it and fall short, the opposing team would take over with good field position. In essence, punts would replace kickoffs, and punts are less susceptible to violent collisions than kickoffs. “The fact is,” Goodell says. “It’s a much different end of the play…It’s an off-the-wall idea. It’s different and makes you think differently. It did me.”[/I][/quote]

It's a really stupid idea. It's bad enough that we pretty much don't have kick off returns. I knew it was a matter of time before Goodell would bring this up.

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[quote=RedskinRat;971705]Paintrain, meet First Down. First Down, put down the rooster and meet Paintrain.

Or you could just read FD's magnificent post [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-with-the-enemy/50594-in-the-year-2000-a.html#post971228"]here[/URL] which he's subsequently edited. Daseal ([B]correction[/B]) quoted him later in the thread so it's saved for eternity.[/quote]

Ah, thanks. Between that, the pie thing and the question #3 or whatever, I sadly find myself at the special table in the lunchroom looking over at the cool kids laughing wonder what the joke is. Carry on..

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Im for replacing the Commercial. I really love it when there is like 50 seconds left on a change of possession and they break.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;971717]Im for replacing the Commercial. I really love it when there is like 50 seconds left on a change of possession and they break.[/quote]

MNF is the worst even though I don't think they actually slow the game down any. It just seems weird when they keep playing 30 second commercials at the end of games over and over as a team calls its timeouts. The other networks don't do that.

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Cant get rid of Kickoffs. Goodell thinks this is a good idea for player safety from Schiano but Schiano is the same guy wants to tackle a kneeling QB? Smh at Goodell for the millionith time

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[quote=Chico23231;971723] Smh at Goodell for the millionith time[/quote]

SMH = Snort My Hen?

The eff is up with people on this forum?

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[quote=RedskinRat;971725]SMH = Snort My Hen?

The eff is up with people on this forum?[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=Mattyk;971666]Is it really that hard to see the difference between punts and kickoffs?[/quote]

No, it isnt, yet i still dont see that big of a gap when it comes down to the hits returners take either scenario ... blocking and people getting cut low is an obvious KO risk along with blind side hits, but punts also carry those type hits ... its a difference, but in my opiniin the gap isnt that big to make such a deal out of kickoffs and assume punts are just fine and dandy

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This would give Shanny a legitimate out on his (not going so good) Brandon Banks project.

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What about Schiano's proposed "zero blitz on kneel down plays"?