Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

After Mark Sanchez's season ending meltdown last night against the Titans, Jets fans have given up on him and wants management to pursue Kirk Cousins! Some quotes from the forum [url]http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread[/url]

[url=http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=76002]Woody's Reaction tonight - TheGangGreen.com Message Board[/url]

[B]The_Fan [/B]
"[I]Can the Jets go after Kirk Cousins from the Redskins for a QB?

He might be worth looking at [/I]"

[B]Poeman[/B]
[I] [/I]

[B]1968jetsfan[/B]
[I]"When you have a QB that runs alot you need a good backup behind him because he's going to miss at least portions of games due to injury.

No way they trade an effective and cheap backup to RGIII. "[/I]

[B]soxxx[/B]

[I]"No but you dont draft a Qb in the 4th roud, if you drafted one in the first either.

I honestly felt o draft night, that shanahan wanted kirk more than rg3. Its kinda wierd,"[/I]

[B]wildaces[/B]

[I]"Revis and Sanchez for Cousins? I know people on here live and breath Revis, but could you package Sanchez and get rid of him? an A and a D Makes a C+, and that is right about what Cousins is?"[/I]



What do you think?

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

LOL! Sorry, but I think the Redskins keep Kirk Cousins around unless someone offers them such a huge deal that we can't pass it up.

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Draft Picks is the only thing I'd trade Cousins for. (well not the ONLY thing).. But either way, I'd try to keep him around til at least the year before his contract is up unless something really good came along. Still will be missing the draft picks for Rg3, so if we could recoup something there I'd be for it.

I mean I love Cousins, but if you get an offer which can help you get a guy who will play 16 games, I think you have to take it.

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[quote=skinsguy;977408]LOL! Sorry, but I think the Redskins keep Kirk Cousins around unless someone offers them such a huge deal that we can't pass it up.[/quote]

This. It would take at least a second and something else packaged. Maybe even a first round pick, who knows.....

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Anything less than a solid 1st round pick and Cousins stays put.

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Any trade talk on Cousins before 2014 is pretty crazy.. Why mess with quality QB depth until you absolutely have to? Hopefully Cousins won't be needed in game action between now and then (meaning RGIII stays healthy) other than pre-season and mop up duty and we can flip Cousins into a 1st or 2nd round pick in the 2014 draft.

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[quote=12thMan;977412]Anything less than a solid 1st round pick and Cousins stays put.[/quote]

agree. its not worth talking about. need to develop a reliable back up especially with RG3's style of play.

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Revis and Sanchez? No way.
Revis and TEBOW!!!! ... Championship!!!

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;977415]agree. its not worth talking about. need to develop a reliable back up [B]especially with RG3's style of play[/B].[/QUOTE]

I'm tired of people saying this. Our offensive line is horrible at pass protection. Because of it, RGIII is FORCED to scramble and run. When he does this, he takes hits. He doesnt have the body frame to take these hits. I say all this, not to trash the o-line, but to explain that its not playcalling or scheme, or RGIII's "style of play" thats responsible for RGIII taking hits. Although we run alot of option, we have very few DESIGNED runs. Generally, RGIII only runs when protection breaks down. If he did not have the ability to run, he'd take a sack. RGIII's "style of play" means he gets hit after scrambling for 5 yards instead of getting hit when he's sacked for a 8 yard loss.

Anyway, RGIII will continue to take hits frequently for the forseeable future. Because of that, we NEED a good backup quarterback who can do what Cousins did vs. the Browns. Cousins is more valuable to us than a 2nd round pick, which is the most anyone would give us for him now (and i dont think we could get that. Id rather just hold on to him, draft another young QB, and then trade Cousins next year if that guy develops. Cousins value will only go up when he plays more games for an injured RGIII. I'd also be happy just to hold on to cousins until his contract is up, let him sign somewhere, and then get a 3rd round compensatory pick when he gets starter money somewhere.

Now if someone offered us a first - theyd be crazy - but we'd be crazy not to take it.

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I've long been an advocate that we need two young QBs...so I'm not about this let's trade Kirk life

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[quote=joeredskin;977417]revis and sanchez? No way.
Revis and tebow!!!! ... Championship!!![/quote]

lol!

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

When was the last time if ever we have had to good QB's that other teams would want to have on their team?

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[quote=SmootSmack;977420]I've long been an advocate that we need two young QBs...so [B]I'm not about this let's trade Kirk life[/B][/quote]

:laughing2



BHA he's rushed for 750 yards and been very effective. The option and his scramble ability has helped us win games. He is gonna take hits in the open field, its a fact. We need a developing QB who can be ready to take the field and deliever.

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I'd keep Kirk around unless we get an offer too good to refuse. A Revis and 2nd would make me think but I don't think it'd get it done. I don't know if Cosuins is "worth" it but I think a Revis and 1st is enough for me...but I doubt anyone would pay that type of price.

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This is awesome.. [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2012/12/18/kirk-cousins-says-team-before-calling-every-play/]Kirk Cousins says ‘TEAM’ before calling every play[/url]

TEAM!!

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

Revis and a 2 might be worth it.

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[quote=Chico23231;977425]:laughing2



BHA he's rushed for 750 yards and been very effective. The option and his scramble ability has helped us win games. He is gonna take hits in the open field, its a fact. We need a developing QB who can be ready to take the field and deliever.[/quote]

We run the option alot, but most of the time RGIII drops back to throw or hands off to Morris. Its rare that RGIII actually [I]runs from the option[/I] as a designed play.

Generally, he drops back to throw and runs because protection breaks down before a receiver gets open. As i said, he takes hits in the open field instead of taking sacks, which is what would happen with someone like rex behind center. but he'd be taking the same number of big hits.

RGIIIs "style of play" is [U]not[/U] more likely to get him injured than if he were a pure drop back passer. That was my point. Its the o-line thats responsible for RGIII taking hits. If they did their job well, RGIII wouldnt have to run and he could stay back and throw. He'd have something like 500 less running yards and 750-1000 more passing yards.

Regardless, until we can fix the o-line, we need Kirk Cousins. He's under contract 2 more years and i'd be shocked if he left before then unless we got a ridiculous offer.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

So his value skyrockets because a guy with 19 post who actually looks to be a Giants fan mentioned him in a thread?

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There are plenty of O-Linemen in the draft, I would be willing to see cousins go for the right trade, and it's more so because i believe he is a starter not a backup.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

[quote=firstdown;977432]So his value skyrockets because a guy with 19 post who actually looks to be a Giants fan mentioned him in a thread?[/quote]

it was a refreshingly active topic apparently

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I can't believe that Redskins fans are ready to shop Kirk Cousins after one game! The Redskins NEED Captain Kirk. You're NOT going to get 2nd round or 1st round picks, and the Jets won't give up Revis for him, lol!! Please come back down to reality.

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[quote=Hail to the SteelSkins;977433]There are plenty of O-Linemen in the draft, I would be willing to see cousins go for the right trade, and it's more so because i believe he is a starter not a backup.[/quote]


So you want us to trade Cousins because he "deserves" to start somewhere? No thanks.

The fact that he's a "starter" is all the more reason to keep him. Having starting caliber players in a backup role is what every team wants at every position. Its called "depth." I understand its probably a foreign concept to most people, since we havent had it here at any position in a long long time.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

No, it's much too soon. I say we keep Cousins for another season. By 2015, he may be worth a ton.

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I think we'll start shopping Kirk after year 2. After year 2, he will have a higher value (more games he'll play by then) and by then we'll definitely have more offers and value for him. Revis for Cousins in a year isn't absurd at all. Especially if Kevin Frickin' Kolb got 2 2nd's and a pro bowl CB.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

Keep Cousins. No further discussion needed.

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Cousins isn't going anywhere unless someone overpays in value. If someone is willing to give up a starter and a high draft pick (like Arizona did for Kevin Kolb) then the front office has to listen. There are teams that are desperate for a QB. Not only the Jets but Jacksonville, Arizona, Minnesota and KC to name a few. But I just don't see anyone doing that off of a good pre season, one start and a few more plays.

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[quote=skinsfan69;977442]Cousins isn't going anywhere unless someone overpays in value. If someone is willing to give up a starter and a high draft pick (like Arizona did for Kevin Kolb) then the front office has to listen. There are teams that are desperate for a QB. Not only the Jets but Jacksonville, Arizona, Minnesota and KC to name a few. But I just don't see anyone doing that off of a good pre season, one start and a few more plays.[/quote]

Well, that's probably the best time to trade him. Look at guys like Kolb, Flynn, Whitehurst that get moved on potential, not actual production (and I realize Flynn wasn't a trade)

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we can't afford the revis/sanchez contracts, and why would we even want him here? rex gives us the same thing for less.

not opposed to a trade, but having a good backup QB isn't a horrible thing either, so unless it's really good, we shouldn't try to forcing something.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

OMG! One of those Jets nimrods wants Norv Turner.

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[quote=SmootSmack;977444]Well, that's probably the best time to trade him. Look at guys like Kolb, Flynn, Whitehurst that get moved on potential, not actual production (and I realize Flynn wasn't a trade)[/quote]

Don't forget Scott Mitchell!!!!

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Call me greedy but I love the fact we have 2 good young QB's. I'd like to keep it that way. With RG3 out and no KC...we very well could have lost to Cleveland. A solid young backup is a great thing to have. We can still fill positions of need and even a 1rst round pick isn't a sure thing. I don't mind if we never trade him. We're set at QB even if Griff were to get injured and have to sit out a few games. That's an advantage not many teams have...and I'd like to keep it.

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[quote=53Fan;977455]Call me greedy but I love the fact we have 2 good young QB's. I'd like to keep it that way. With RG3 out and no KC...we very well could have lost to Cleveland. A solid young backup is a great thing to have. We can still fill positions of need and even a 1rst round pick isn't a sure thing. I don't mind if we never trade him. We're set at QB even if Griff were to get injured and have to sit out a few games. That's an advantage not many teams have...and I'd like to keep it.[/quote]

Yeah, this is what's it's all about. Stability at the most position on the field. I don't think we've been this stable at the quarterback position since Doug Williams was the starter and Mark Rypien was backing him up. bottom damn line, Kirk Cousins is a solid back up. I'd be worried as hell if Rex Grossman was RG3's back up.

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I'm of the opnion we should keep Cousins and not shop him but that doesnt mean we cant review offers.
If we were offered a first and a player and or another pick it would be hard to turn down.

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

Keep Cousins, Jets got nothing we want....

Revis coming off torn ACL plus unhappy with contract, Sanchez with his massive guaranteed money for next season? People are silly.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;977458]I'm of the opnion we should keep Cousins and not shop him but that doesnt mean we cant review offers.
If we were offered a first and a player and or another pick it would be hard to turn down.[/quote]

I completely concur. But if the Redskins got a great deal for Cousins, who then becomes the back up QB? Would we then get a QB through free agency or do we draft another QB?

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Revis and Tebow if Tebow agrees to either play TE or LB. Only joking a little

Re: Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!
 

Teams need to give up a pick just for his contract alone...

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im happy with keeping cousins, plus, it was one game... thats his job, come in and do ur best as our back up and hopefully win. he played great.. but i'd rather keep him then have to see rex at some point... he's a rookie it was his first game, he will only get better IMO through practice and learning more.. he will become MORE valuable next year or after, i like him here for now in case we need him.

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[quote=Kope;977473]Revis and [B]Tebow [/B]if [B]Tebow[/B] agrees to either play TE or LB. Only joking a little[/quote]

Tebow

[SIZE="5"]Tebow[/SIZE]

[SIZE="7"]TEBOW?[/SIZE]

:spank:

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[quote=Evilgrin;977465]Keep Cousins, Jets got nothing we want....

Revis coming off torn ACL plus unhappy with contract, Sanchez with his massive guaranteed money for next season? People are silly.[/quote]

Agreed completely.

I'd rather have Grossman playing than Sanchez, completely serious.


I do feel we should keep Cousins, at least for a few years. RGIII is an injury risk because of his abilities and style of play. Having Cousins as his backup is invaluable.

If we do decide to trade him, we need to pull off a Kolb-like or better hornswoggling. (never used that word in my life but I'm in that kind of mood right now)

We need to get a 1st and a player or a couple of seconds at minimum.

The next draft is going to be a weak QB class though, so this might be the best time to deal him. I know the plan was likely to trade him in a few years but as strange as it may sound, his value may be at its peak after this one game and coupled with the draft options in 2013.

I'd really rather hold onto him though. We know Griffin will get hurt from time-to-time and God forbid if he becomes Mike Vick and can't complete a full season for his whole career, we need a capable backup.

We're going to have to do something before his contract is up though, because he will get offers to start somewhere and will walk.

If Matt Flynn, Kevin Kolb and Charlie Whitehurst can get their massive paydays without showing anything at all, think how much demand Cousins will have if he has a few more games like the Cleveland performance. He can do that...this system fits his skillset perfectly.