Dr. Andrews Using Stem Cells to Speed Recovery??
 

Interesting . . . It is believed that Dr. Andrews injected stem cells into the injured area of RGIII's knee . . .

[URL="http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/1/23/3899538/rg3-injury-robert-griffin-iii-redskins-dr-james-andrews"]Source (HogsHaven):[/URL]

[quote]For the past three years, however, Andrews has been experimenting with a new strategy. "Stem cells," he says. "What we call biologics. They're on their way, and that will be a transformational event." Very quietly -- "We don't advertise it," Andrews says, "and we don't want to sensationalize it" -- he and his colleagues at clinics in Birmingham, Ala., and Gulf Breeze, Fla., have been performing stem cell injections on professional athletes. He won't name names, but Andrews has mostly employed stem cells in the deteriorated knees of football players, and virtually all of them have reported significant decreases in pain and inflammation. "It's early," he says, "but the results have been remarkable." [/quote]

very interesting for sure . . . hopefully RGIII's recovery allow Dr. Andrews to continue to use the term remarkable when discussing how the stem cells helped speed his recovery!!

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Nothing I just read said anything about him injecting RGIII's knee with stem cells.

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[quote=firstdown;990547]Nothing I juet read said anything about him injecting RGIII's need with stem cells.[/quote]

so you read the article in which he says he has been using stem cells to speed the recovery of his patients for 3 years, but that means to you that he chose not to do so in RGIII ??? Also see the question marks in the thread title . . . this is because while it was assumed he did, he did not straight out say that!!

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Manning did it to his neck going to Europe, he came back looking as good as ever. I think this is the new break through in medicine.

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[quote=firstdown;990547]Nothing I juet read said anything about him injecting RGIII's need with stem cells.[/quote]

Your spell checker sucks red baboon a$$.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;990548]so you read the article in which he says he has been using stem cells to speed the recovery of his patients for 3 years, but that means to you that he chose not to do so in RGIII ??? Also see the question marks in the thread title . . . this is because while it was assumed he did, he did not straight out say that!![/quote]

Your reading more of what the author of the article was saying then what the DR actually said. He could be but you stated in your post that "The Dr HAS INJECTED stem cells into his knee".

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[quote=firstdown;990547]Nothing I just read said anything about him injecting RGIII's knee with stem cells.[/quote]

You're right, this does need to be said. Nowhere does the article, or any other piece of journalism, say that RG3 had stem cells injected into his knee.

But I'm comfortable assuming that he did. I'd be willing to bet that's how Adrian Peterson came back so well.

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[quote=Schneed10;990565]You're right, this does need to be said. Nowhere does the article, or any other piece of journalism, say that RG3 had stem cells injected into his knee.

[B]But I'm comfortable assuming that he did.[/B] I'd be willing to bet that's how Adrian Peterson came back so well.[/quote]

Yeah wouldn't surprise me at all either if that's the case.

The wonders of modern medicine.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;990544]Interesting . . . Dr. Andrews injected stem cells into the injured area of RGIII's knee . . .

[URL="http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/1/23/3899538/rg3-injury-robert-griffin-iii-redskins-dr-james-andrews"]Source (HogsHaven):[/URL]



very interesting for sure . . . hopefully RGIII's recovery allow Dr. Andrews to continue to use the term remarkable when discussing how the stem cells helped speed his recovery!![/quote]

They seem to be controversial, but I think they really will change medicine forever once they really start to gain momentum (likely in Europe first.) Hopefully they can help rebuild RGKnee.

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It is striking how opposed some people are to stem cell research despite the obvious benefits of stem cell medicine. Hence the need for hush hush on this.

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Where do they get these from?
Cadavers?
Aborted babys?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;990582]Where do they get these from?
Cadavers?
Aborted babys?[/quote]

Didn't you red the articel you baboon a$$.

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Thread taking a turn for the worse in

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Makes a lot of sense in how it would help with ACLs. The amazing part of the article is that this technique relies on the individual's own bone marrow stem cells. It's like you become your own walking rescue kit. If these techniques work, and they can store these cells, think of the amazing help that could be just around the corner for all kinds of cures. Honestly, this could be as big as the polio vaccines.(not just for athletes)

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[quote=Alvin Walton;990582]Where do they get these from?
Cadavers?
Aborted babys?[/quote]

No, they are taken from the bone marrow of the individual. As the article states, that is the only way the procedure can be done in the US.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;990591]Makes a lot of sense in how it would help with ACLs. The amazing part of the article is that this technique relies on the individual's own bone marrow stem cells. It's like you become your own walking rescue kit. If these techniques work, and they can store these cells, think of the amazing help that could be just around the corner for all kinds of cures. Honestly, this could be as big as the polio vaccines.(not just for athletes)[/quote]

They definitely need to do more research on adult stem cells. They may not be able regrow at the rate or effectiveness as the fetal or embryonic (like being able to regrow body parts) but they may be great at helping to repair muscles, ligaments and tissues.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;990549]Manning did it to his neck going to Europe, he came back looking as good as ever. I think this is the new break through in medicine.[/quote]

Manning did not play football for about a year after he had it done and the reports are not clear if it worked.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;990592]No, they are taken from the bone marrow of the individual. As the article states, [B]that is the only way the procedure can be done in the US[/B].[/quote]

I missed that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;990592]No, they are taken from the bone marrow of the individual. As the article states, that is the only way the procedure can be done in the US.[/quote]

Bone marrow? Wow that must be extremely painful to acquire.

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[quote=Lotus;990580]It is striking how opposed some people are to stem cell research despite the obvious benefits of stem cell medicine. Hence the need for hush hush on this.[/quote]

Whats stiking is that you would question why some people are opposed to embryonic stem cell research - whether you agree with their point of view or not.

There was arguably scientific benefit to the horrific research the nazis did experimenting on prisoners in WWII. I hate to use such a extreme comparison to prove a point, as no rational person would equate what the nazis did to embryonic stem cell research, but the underlying principle is the same - Scientists can't just perform research because of the [I]potential[/I] benefits. Ethical concerns [U]should[/U] be weighed against potential benefits in any type of research.

The reasons many peope oppose research using embryonic stem cells are obvious. Whether you agree with their point of view is entirely another matter, and its entirely reasonable for a person to have no problems with embryonic stem cell research.

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I always thought it was illegal to use stem cells in the US. Thats awsome that there is a way around it, that makes more sense ethically.

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Striking how many people just don't read the article and instead start spouting off with stupid crap.

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Oh my god. Read the article, people.

You can use stem cells for [I]research[/I] in the US, as long as they are not from an embryo or a fetus. Furthermore, the only stem cell related [I]medical procedures[/I] permitted in the US are those where the stem cells are extracted from the patient himself (specifically, from bone marrow in the hip) and re-injected back into the same patient at the site of injury/surgery.

It's all in the article. It should be a rule, you are not allowed to launch into politically charged opinions unless you first read all linked material in the thread.

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Why why why this thread going nutso, anyways good for them if it works.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;990601]Whats stiking is that you would question why some people are opposed to embryonic stem cell research - whether you agree with their point of view or not.

There was arguably scientific benefit to the horrific research the nazis did experimenting on prisoners in WWII. I hate to use such a extreme comparison to prove a point, as no rational person would equate what the nazis did to embryonic stem cell research, but the underlying principle is the same - Scientists can't just perform research because of the [I]potential[/I] benefits. Ethical concerns [U]should[/U] be weighed against potential benefits in any type of research.

The reasons many peope oppose research using embryonic stem cells are obvious. Whether you agree with their point of view is entirely another matter, and its entirely reasonable for a person to have no problems with embryonic stem cell research.[/quote]

Just for clarity, nothing in this article or thread was talking about embryonic stem cells except your post.

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The REAL offseason threads have officially begun!

I've got my popcorn ready.

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[quote=mbedner3420;990599]Bone marrow? Wow that must be extremely painful to acquire.[/quote]

I remember reading an article (don't know where) that said the pain that Griffin felt after the surgery was extreme, and I was a little surprised since he had had a knee surgery. I knew this time it was on both knees (one for the graft) and thought that was it, but if he had a bone marrow operation, that would make a lot more sense to me.

I can't imagine the pain threshold these top athletes have. Crazy.

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[quote=Schneed10;990608]Oh my god. Read the article, people.

[B]You can use stem cells for [I]research[/I] in the US, as long as they are not from an embryo or a fetus.[/B] Furthermore, the only stem cell related [I]medical procedures[/I] permitted in the US are those where the stem cells are extracted from the patient himself (specifically, from bone marrow in the hip) and re-injected back into the same patient at the site of injury/surgery.

It's all in the article. It should be a rule, you are not allowed to launch into politically charged opinions unless you first read all linked material in the thread.[/quote]

Actually thats also wrong. Stem cell research is not restricted in the US the laws only porhibit federal funding for research using stem cells from embryo or a fetus.

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[quote=Mattyk;990607]Striking how many people just don't read the article and instead start spouting off with stupid crap.[/quote]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;990601]Whats stiking is that you would question why some people are opposed to embryonic stem cell research - whether you agree with their point of view or not.

There was arguably scientific benefit to the horrific research the nazis did experimenting on prisoners in WWII. I hate to use such a extreme comparison to prove a point, as no rational person would equate what the nazis did to embryonic stem cell research, but the underlying principle is the same - Scientists can't just perform research because of the [I]potential[/I] benefits. Ethical concerns [U]should[/U] be weighed against potential benefits in any type of research.

The reasons many peope oppose research using embryonic stem cells are obvious. Whether you agree with their point of view is entirely another matter, and its entirely reasonable for a person to have no problems with embryonic stem cell research.[/quote]

Of course scientific research must follow ethical paths. There is no question in that. The question is, which ethics? The ethical stance which conflates stem cell research with abortion issues? Or the ethical stance which holds that healing people is a central good, so stem cell research should be expanded?

It seems to me that RGIII's case is an example which teaches that we should be expanding stem cell research of various types rather than being, as a society, so squeamish about stem cells. Just my opinion. :twocents:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;990610]Just for clarity, nothing in this article or thread was talking about embryonic stem cells except your post.[/quote]

Just for clarity my response was to Lotus' post, which in turn was a comment on other peoples comments indicating opposition to "stem cell research."

No sane person is opposed to "stem cell research." SOME PEOPLE are opposed to EMBRYONIC stem cell research for ethical reasons. That is the context of my post. It wasnt a rant on stem cell research by someone who didnt read the article, because i did read the article.

The purpose of my post was to explain why SOME PEOPLE are opposed to EMBRYONIC stem cell research -a distinction Lotus didnt make in his post by just referring to "stem cell research" in the general sense. The distinction is important.

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I'm sure Goodell will say stem cells is like steroids/HGH and get it banned.

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[quote=Lotus;990619]Of course scientific research must follow ethical paths. There is no question in that. The question is, which ethics? The ethical stance which conflates stem cell research with abortion issues? Or the ethical stance which holds that healing people is a central good, so stem cell research should be expanded?

It seems to me that RGIII's case is an example which teaches that we should be expanding stem cell research of various types rather than being, as a society, so squeamish about stem cells. Just my opinion. :twocents:[/quote]

I agree with you - its just that to my knowledge, society isnt squeamish about stem cells - well "educated" society isnt anyways. To the best of my knowledge, the only real debate is over embryonic stem cell research and whether THAT is ethical or not. I highly doubt anyone would have a problem with grabbing stem cells from RGIIIs pelvic bone and injecting it into his knee.

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[quote=skinsfan69;990625]I'm sure Goodell will say stem cells is like steroids/HGH and get it banned.[/quote]

That was one of my first thoughts as well. Ireally dont like the leagues stance on HGH. In my opinion, HGH should be allowed to help players recover from injury faster. Its better for the league to have is players healthy. As long as the league would be allowed to approve HGH on a case by case basis (like they do with adderall), i dont see why they should have a problem with it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;990622]Just for clarity my response was to Lotus' post, which in turn was a comment on other peoples comments indicating opposition to "stem cell research."

No sane person is opposed to "stem cell research." SOME PEOPLE are opposed to EMBRYONIC stem cell research for ethical reasons. That is the context of my post. It wasnt a rant on stem cell research by someone who didnt read the article, because i did read the article.

The purpose of my post was to explain why SOME PEOPLE are opposed to EMBRYONIC stem cell research -a distinction Lotus didnt make in his post by just referring to "stem cell research" in the general sense.[B] The distinction is important[/B].[/quote]

Not really, because Lotus' point was that people would get into histrionics at the mere mention of stem cell research (ie AW's post) instead of looking at the facts that make it a viable research alternative. In fact your response was, in my opinion, exactly the response Lotus was saying was frustrating. If I want to talk about effective US stem cell therapies then by definition, and US laws, I am not talking about Embryonic stem cells.

You introduced that topic, and now here we are ranting on it, rather than just talking about how fascinating valid stem cell therapy may become.

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Use this thread as a learning opportunity. There seem to be a striking number of people who think the only source of stem cells are a human embryo, completely unaware that we are all walking around with them inside our body.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;990630]Not really, because Lotus' point was that people would get into histrionics at the mere mention of stem cell research (ie AW's post) instead of looking at the facts that make it a viable research alternative. In fact your response was, in my opinion, exactly the response Lotus was saying was frustrating. If I want to talk about effective US stem cell therapies then by definition, and US laws, I am not talking about Embryonic stem cells.

You introduced that topic, and now here we are ranting on it, rather than just talking about how fascinating valid stem cell therapy may become.[/quote]

I disagree with you 100%. NO ONE gets in hysterics about stem cell research in general. Its only embryonic stem cell research that causes concern in this country. In this country, if you are referring to stem cell debate, its UNDERSTOOD that youre talking about embryonic stem cells. I think it is important to make the distinction, to avoid confusion. I also dont understand youre reference to "valid" stem cell therapy. "Valid" is a subjective term.

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[quote=Schneed10;990632]Use this thread as a learning opportunity. There seem to be a striking number of people who think the only source of stem cells are a human embryo, completely unaware that we are all walking around with them inside our body.[/quote]

Thank you.

That's what my post was about. The more research we can do on adult stem cells, the more light we can shed on how effective they are. We may be able to get them as viable as embryonic cells.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;990633]I disagree with you 100%. NO ONE gets in hysterics about stem cell research in general. Its only embryonic stem cell research that causes concern in this country. In this country, if you are referring to stem cell debate, its UNDERSTOOD that youre talking about embryonic stem cells. I think it is important to make the distinction, to avoid confusion. I also dont understand youre reference to "valid" stem cell therapy. "Valid" is a subjective term.[/quote]

ok we can leave it at agree to disagree.

edit: for sake of my statement, valid stem cell therapy meant any stem cell therapy which can be accomplished legally under current US laws. Sorry if that was not clear.

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Ahhhhh... Another RG3 recovery thread.... Who would have guessed...