Hard Decisions: The solution to the $18MM offseason puzzle
 

My fellow arm chair GM's use this thread to post and discuss your solutions on how to make this team better if the $18 MM cap penalty stands. To make sure that this thread is different from others on the website please post all questions about the cap in the [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/51680-redskins-2013-salary-cap-status.html"]Redskins 2013 Salary Cap Status[/URL]. Discuss draft prospects in the [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/50089-2013-nfl-draft-prospects.html"]draft thread[/URL]. This thread is for the Fans who know what should be done. Post your thoughts- who stays, who goes, and who do we get.

Free agency, draft, trades anything realistic. Cap number is $123mm, have at it!

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Redskins Free agents [Keep/ Let go]:

Rob Jackson: [COLOR="Lime"]Keep[/COLOR]- Playmaker who did great things in the starting role.

Fred Davis: [COLOR="Red"]Let Go[/COLOR]- This would be a hard move but unless we can get a team favorable contract it is a move that must be done. Plus his injury may change how dynamic he is.

Bryan Kehl: [COLOR="red"]Let Go[/COLOR]- Nice guy, marginal player

Tyler Polumbus: [COLOR="red"]Let Go[/COLOR]- Get a starter in the draft.

Brandon Banks: [COLOR="red"]Let Go[/COLOR]- Proved expendable

Nick Sundberg: [COLOR="Lime"]Keep[/COLOR]- Great LS are hard to come by

Kory Lichtensteiger: [COLOR="Red"]Let Go[/COLOR]- Le Ribeus should start

Sav Rocca: [COLOR="Lime"]Keep[/COLOR]- Good punter one year contract

Darrel Young: [COLOR="lime"]Keep[/COLOR]- One of the best FB in the game right now.

Rex Grossman: [COLOR="Red"]Let Go[/COLOR]- A luxury player at this point.

Logan Paulsen: [COLOR="Lime"]Keep[/COLOR]- Proved to be an asset.

Madieu Williams: [COLOR="Red"]Let Go[/COLOR]

Lorenzo Alexander: [COLOR="red"]Let Go[/COLOR]- Great guy and good player but I see him getting a better deal in Pittsburgh

Kentwan Balmer: [COLOR="Red"]Let Go[/COLOR]- what did he do here?

Jordan Black: [COLOR="Lime"]Keep[/COLOR]-Solid back up

Kedric Golston: [COLOR="red"]Let Go[/COLOR]- Great guy but it is time to move on

Tyler Polumbus: [COLOR="red"]Let Go [/COLOR]-Maybe we can keep him but will he be able to take a back seat?

Chris Cooley: [COLOR="red"]Let Go[/COLOR]- Retire

Cedric Griffin: [COLOR="lime"]Keep[/COLOR]- Started doing well and could add needed depth in the secondary.

Chris Wilson: [COLOR="red"]Let Go[/COLOR]- Almost forgot he was on the team.

Chris Baker: [COLOR="lime"]Keep[/COLOR]- Did well and should at least compete again Chris Neild in the preseason.

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Good thread

First thing I'm doing; I'm still taking the NFL to court over this bogus penalty. I'm going out with everything I can whether I can get $1 million or all $18 million or in between or $0, I'm not going out without a fight.

(this is where my post starts to look like a tax form of selections; if option 1 then this, if option 2 then that)

If we get money back, then there is no need to cut guys like Carriker, Hall and so on.

If we don't get money back I'm cutting/restructuring:

DHall $7.5
Santana Moss $3.7
London Fletcher (retirement?) $2.7
Josh Wilson $3.2
Jamaal Brown $0.2 (I'm copying this from CC post, but is it really $200,000 we save cutting him??)
Adam Carriker $2.2

I'm also extending Josh Morgan so that his deal this year is light, plus after the ball spike at Finnegan he was then proven to be a good player for us.

I'm also asking Cofield and Bowen who have $6+ and $5+ million to lower their salaries by $1 million

All this should free up ~$22 million in capspace

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Priority Resignings/Replacements:
[I]Fred Davis or similar TE: ($2.5)
Kory Lichtensteiger: ($2.5)[/I]
[B]Darrel Young: ($1.0)
Logan Paulsen: ($0.6)[/B]
[I]Lorenzo Alexander: ($1.8)[/I]
[B]Nick Sundberg or similar LS: ($0.3)
Rob Jackson: ($1.6)
Sav Rocca or similar P: ($0.4)[/B]
Tyler Polumbus: ($1.1)
Cap Space Required for Re-signings/Replacements ($11.8)

The guys I bolded, I think MUST be re-signed. The guys I italicized, I'm on the fence about, they're on that 'take it or leave it deal'. I've read we're trying to sign Fred to a 2 year deal. Darrell Young is the 3rd best FB in the NFL, so he must be resigned. Logan was a great backup/blocker for us. The LS and P or good together.

===

Free Agency

I'm going after Corey Lynch for Safety depth
I'm signing him to a 3 year $8 million deal

IF we don't resign Fred we MUST sign James Casey the FB/TE/H back for Houston to a 3 year $12 million deal. If we do re-sign Fred we still should go after this guy. He's familiar with Kyles offense, and is a very versatile player. He's a step below Fred but steps above Logan Paulsen.

The last guy I'm going after is Greg Toler as depth for our secondary. He was injured a year ago and played in limited action last year. But when he played, he played very well. He's a local kid, and at the moment he has us, AZ, and Cleveland looking to sign/re-sign him. I'm offering him a 4 year $14-17 million.

Ryan Harris the RT for Houston who played for Shanahan in Denver, is good but injury prone. He's better than Polumbus (who isn't--nfldraftscout didn't even rate Polumbus among the best 35 RTs in todays game--ouch). I'm going to take a wait and see market approach with Harris. I see a deal of 1 year $1.75 million being offered to Harris.

As for the rest of the Redskins FAs
[B]Keep [/B]
Cedric Griffin
Grossman (we don't if RG3 is playing week 1; kirk goes in and gets hurt, whos QB now?)
Baker

[B]Let Go[/B]
Banks
Madieu Williams
Golston
Black
Cooley
Chris Wilson


Draft
S
CB
TE
RT
ILB
Backup RB
G/C
DE
WR

Names to throw out in the draft

Poyer, Trufant, McFadden, Rambo, Mathieu, Cyprien, Elam, Lester, Barrett Jones, Kyle Long, Schwienke, Kelce, Escobar, Jordan Reed, Jordan Pugh, Aboushi, Jamar Taylor, Bostic, Reddick, Theo Riddick, Tharold Simon, Duke Williams, JJ Wilcox, Phillip Thomas, Eric Reid, Shamarko Thomas, Johnathan Banks, Robert Alford, BW Webb, Nickell Robey, Sanders Commings, TJ McDonald, DJ Swearinger, Zaviar Gooden, Dallas Thomas, Reid Fragel, Terron Armstead, Braxston Cave, Alvin Bailey, Ray Ray Armstrong, Cooper Taylor, Shawn Williams, David Amerson, Lutzenkurchen, Quinton Patton, Terrance Williams, Josh Boyce, Swope, Stedman Bailey, Stills, Connor Vernon, Marquis Wilson, Brandon Kaufman, Reggie Dunn, Joseph Randle, Andre Ellington, Johnathan Franklin, Gillislee, Barner, Maysonett, Stephan Taylor, Ray Graham, Stoneburner, Fauria, Vance McDonald, Gragg, Kiko Alonso, Nico Johnson, Khaseem Greene, Brent Russell, Devin Taylor, Corey Lemonier, Alex Okafor, Te'o, Jesse Williams, John Jenkins, Brandon Williams, Jaime Collins, Shawn Porter, Brandon Jenkins, Alec Ogletree, Blidi-Wreh Wilson, and Brad Wing.

Any combination of these products with our 7 or more picks would be great

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T.Jackson staying does help us slightly. If he has anything left it is owed to the Redskins.

Thank you Schneed for the Roster Cuts or Restructures:

DeAngelo Hall $7.5 (Cut)-I like him on the team but not at this price.

Santana Moss $3.7 (Restructure)- If we can draft great speed receiver Moss may become post June 1st cut

London Fletcher (retirement?) $2.7

Josh Wilson $3.2 (Restructure)

Jamaal Brown $0.2 (Cut)- Already gone

Adam Carriker $2.2 (Restructure)-

Josh Morgan- Extension lower the cap number this year.

We will Need: CB, T, S, LB

Free agent targets: Not saying we will get them, but make an attempt-
Aquib Talib
Greg Toler
Leodis Mc Kelvin
Ryan Harris
Winston Justice
Jake Long
Chris Clemons
Rolando McClain

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I like what you have there Cult. I don't think Ray Ray will be drafted. I'm putting my ideas in piece by piece.

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Some of these moves are no-brainers. When you get right down to it we don't have a ton of options.

I'm cutting Hall, Moss, Carriker, and Fletcher right off the bat. I'd try to bring Hall and Moss back with cap friendly deals but I'm not going to panic if I can't. If Fletcher wants to keep playing it will have to be with a much lower #. A 38 year old MLB isn't going to generate much interest in free agency so give him the time he wants to figure things out, just like last year.

I would probably give an extension to Josh Wilson and lower his cap # for 2013. The same could be done with Orakpo but his $3.5M figure doesn't bother me as much as Wilson's $5.3.

I'd look at some possible restructuring with Trent Williams, Cofield, Bowen, and Morgan. Though I get the idea our front office isn't thrilled with the idea of pushing off a lot of dough on future caps, so I can also see where they might choose to just play things tight against the cap this year and be frugal in free agency in order to preserve future cap space.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;996202]T.Jackson staying does help us slightly. If he has anything left it is owed to the Redskins.

Thank you Schneed for the Roster Cuts or Restructures:

DeAngelo Hall $7.5 (Cut)-I like him on the team but not at this price.

Santana Moss $3.7 (Restructure)- If we can draft great speed receiver Moss may become post June 1st cut

London Fletcher (retirement?) $2.7

Josh Wilson $3.2 (Restructure)

Jamaal Brown $0.2 (Cut)- Already gone

Adam Carriker $2.2 (Restructure)-

Josh Morgan- Extension lower the cap number this year.

We will Need: CB, T, S, LB

Free agent targets: Not saying we will get them, but make an attempt-
Aquib Talib
Greg Toler
Leodis Mc Kelvin
Ryan Harris
Winston Justice
Jake Long
Chris Clemons
Rolando McClain[/quote]

I like your Clemons (forgot about him) mckelvin, and McClain suggestions. Forgot to include McClain as an option.

The others we aren't getting.

Should get interesting in the next week or two as to what we do.

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Copying off Schneed's recommendations from the cap thread I agree with everything except I'd lean towards letting Lichtensteiger walk and plugging in LeRibeus in his spot and using that savings towards free agency.

Priority Resignings/Replacements:
Fred Davis or similar TE: ($2.5)
Kory Lichtensteiger: ($2.5)
Darrel Young: ($1.0)
Logan Paulsen: ($0.6)
Lorenzo Alexander: ($1.8)
Nick Sundberg or similar LS: ($0.3)
Rob Jackson: ($1.6)
Sav Rocca or similar P: ($0.4)
Tyler Polumbus: ($1.1)

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IMO Matty is making all the right moves.

However, I might try to hang on to Kory L. Good line depth can be hard to find. But if Kory L leaves, there's no reason for panic or upset.

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Kory's a very good run blocker, I'd keep him if doable at $2.5M. Wouldn't pay more than that, though. In general, my preference is to hang onto what we have as much as possible and forgo free agent signings. This is the final year of the cap penalty, I'd like us to keep going with what we have, let Griffin continue to develop and the team overall continue to gel, and then leap into action next year with free agency when we can afford to do it.

Another smart draft and just getting a lot of key players healthy puts us on a path to 11-5, IMO. As long as Griffin can get back. And that's even more reason not to delve into FA too much; if Griffin doesn't recover well it almost doesn't matter who else is on our roster.

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I agree with most of what everyone is saying with the exception of Schneed. If griff needs sometime To start the year I believe it does matter. I want Cousins to play just phenomenally to play us into a really nice couple of draft picks. :)

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CB59,

Nice plan! I would be very comfortable with that.

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[quote=Schneed10;996213][B]Kory's a very good run blocker, I'd keep him if doable at $2.5M. Wouldn't pay more than that, though. In general, my preference is to hang onto what we have as much as possible and forgo free agent signings. This is the final year of the cap penalty, I'd like us to keep going with what we have, let Griffin continue to develop and the team overall continue to gel, and then leap into action next year with free agency when we can afford to do it.[/B]

Another smart draft and just getting a lot of key players healthy puts us on a path to 11-5, IMO. As long as Griffin can get back. And that's even more reason not to delve into FA too much; if Griffin doesn't recover well it almost doesn't matter who else is on our roster.[/quote]

Id rather not bring back Kory L or Tyler Polumbus. Sign Ryan Harris for 900K to compete with Compton and another late round Tackle draft pick for starting the RT spot and let McRibeus, Gettis and Hurt compete for the start at LG.

Id say lets see what the young guys have for this season and then evaluate if a jump in FA is what the Oline needs in 2014.

2nd round tender on Jackson, original round tender on Paulsen and on Young. No tender on Banks or Baker. Used $5.1 million in cap space.

Fletcher waived/retired, Hall waived/released, Carriker waived/released, Meriweather waived/released. Saves $15.5 million in cap.

Josh Morgan released with a June 1st designation, saving $3.3 million on the cap.

Lichtensteiger re-signed five years, $21 million, $5.5 million guaranteed for skill, cap, and injury. Five year deal with a player void option after year 3. (Cap number $1.9 million)

Adam Jones signed, 2 yrs/$8 million, with $3.5 million guaranteed for skill, and cap, but two full years for injury. Five year deal with a player void option after two years (cap number: $2.5 million)

Greg Toler signed, 5 yrs/$28 million, with $9.75 million guaranteed for injury, skill, and cap, and an additional $3 million for injury. (Cap number: $3.25 million).

Claim Rolando McClain off waivers from Oakland and immediately restructure contact, converting base salary in 2013 to a signing bonus amortized over five years (but voiding after year two) (Cap number: $2.1 million).

Fred Davis re-signed for 1 year/$2.25 million.

Total pre draft cap savings: $18.8 million
Total pre draft cap savings: $16.85 million

Note that there would still be contract restructuring in order to stay under the cap, with having to add in the ballpark of 12 contracts to the payroll through the draft etc. But these moves fix most of the issues, leaving only safety for the draft.

I'm more interested in seeing what people are willing to spend this offseason. Matty's plan requires us to open about $12 mil in cap room, but mine requires almost $17 million.

On McClain, the market for 3-4 inside backers is a huge sellers market this year. Huge. The fact that there is a 24 year old one who will hit the market at some point this year and can (but wont be) be claimed is really helpful to a team like the Redskins, who can just free up cap space and plug and play. His cap number is higher than Fletcher's but the difference is you can restrcture his contract easy, fletcher is too tricky to restructure because of the retirement card.

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The only thing I can guarantee, is that no matter we all say we should do on this thread or what we throw out there, we always do a move or two of complete shock.

How many of us predicted we'd sign Garcon at this point last year. My memories kind of faded, but I don't remember SS saying we'd get him or we were even interested in him at this point last year.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;996197]
Kentwan Balmer: [COLOR="Red"]Let Go[/COLOR]- what did he do here? [/quote]

Is this guy still on our Reserve List? If so, why? He left the team last off-season.

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I dunno. I think the tendency for us Redskins fans over the years has become 'what changes can we make to get better'. That made sense when we weren't very good, but that's not the case now. I think we're not used to it.

With the character of this team and the leader we have in RG3, personnel moves are not the #1 way to get better, in my opinion. It's just the opposite, it's keeping them together, and letting Griffin continue to inspire them through work and effort and grit to get better.

We complain about our line and sure there are ways it can improve, but we were one of the top offenses in the league this year. Our biggest problem was pass defense, and just by allowing Meriweather and Orakpo to get healthy, we immediately take some pressure off that problem.

Continuity, continuity, continuity. Change for its own sake is not the answer for me. We were 10-6, and if the season were longer I don't think our loss total would have changed. There's something about this mix of players we have, it just worked. I wouldn't be eager to let Kory L go, he was integral in a new franchise rushing record.

We can improve just by letting Griffin grow. Let's keep a long term view and keep the financial flexibility. Remember, in three years Griffin is going to command a contract in the Manning, Rodgers, Flacco tier.

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[quote=GTripp0012;996227]2nd round tender on Jackson, original round tender on Paulsen and on Young. No tender on Banks or Baker. Used $5.1 million in cap space.

Fletcher waived/retired, Hall waived/released, Carriker waived/released, Meriweather waived/released. Saves $15.5 million in cap.

Josh Morgan released with a June 1st designation, saving $3.3 million on the cap.

Lichtensteiger re-signed five years, $21 million, $5.5 million guaranteed for skill, cap, and injury. Five year deal with a player void option after year 3. (Cap number $1.9 million)

Adam Jones signed, 2 yrs/$8 million, with $3.5 million guaranteed for skill, and cap, but two full years for injury. Five year deal with a player void option after two years (cap number: $2.5 million)

Greg Toler signed, 5 yrs/$28 million, with $9.75 million guaranteed for injury, skill, and cap, and an additional $3 million for injury. (Cap number: $3.25 million).

Claim Rolando McClain off waivers from Oakland and immediately restructure contact, converting base salary in 2013 to a signing bonus amortized over five years (but voiding after year two) (Cap number: $2.1 million).

Fred Davis re-signed for 1 year/$2.25 million.

Total pre draft cap savings: $18.8 million
Total pre draft cap savings: $16.85 million

Note that there would still be contract restructuring in order to stay under the cap, with having to add in the ballpark of 12 contracts to the payroll through the draft etc. But these moves fix most of the issues, leaving only safety for the draft.[/quote]

Are you rolling with Hankerson as your #2?

Jones is interesting but I'm not sure I trust him. It probably makes the most sense for him and the Bengals if he stays there.

Toler is on our radar from what I've heard.

Not sure I like McClain's off the field drama.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996232]The only thing I can guarantee, is that no matter we all say we should do on this thread or what we throw out there, we always do a move or two of complete shock.

How many of us predicted we'd sign Garcon at this point last year. My memories kind of faded, but I don't remember SS saying we'd get him or we were even interested in him at this point last year.[/quote]Yeah, I love it. Under Snyderrato we'd go after the same obvious guy talked about on ESPN that 31 other teams had interest in. And we'd get him (by hideously overpaying).

Now, Shanallen are more "under the radar". Finding hidden gems. Pretty big difference in hype between signing Pierrre Garcon and signing guys like Vincent Jackson, Colston or Manningham.

Now if only Garcon can stay healthy. Last season we were 9-2 with him, and 1-5 without him.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;996238]Are you rolling with Hankerson as your #2?

Jones is interesting but I'm not sure I trust him. It probably makes the most sense for him and the Bengals if he stays there.

Toler is on our radar from what I've heard.

Not sure I like McClain's off the field drama.[/QUOTE]

Hankersons my no. 2, yeah, but I'm keeping Moss in the fold to play out his contract, which kind of limits Morgan's field time anyway.

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Not resign Alexander? Put the crack pipe down, he's the heart of the ST, a valuable jack of all trades and a respected leader/captain. Rather see Hall, Moss, Grossman, Brown, Carriker get cut. Alexander has earned the right to be a Redskin for life!!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;996205]The same could be done with Orakpo but his $3.5M figure doesn't bother me as much as Wilson's $5.3.[/quote]

Just did an update. No major changes but a few guys numbers got bumped up for different reasons.

I now have Orakpo at $5.1M, TW at $8M, and Carriker at $4M.

Total Cap Room = $4M over.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;996244]Not resign Alexander? Put the crack pipe down, he's the heart of the ST, a valuable jack of all trades and a respected leader/captain. Rather see Hall, Moss, Grossman, Brown, Carriker get cut. Alexander has earned the right to be a Redskin for life!!!![/QUOTE]

Zo also stepped up huge on D

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[quote=skinsfaninok;996247]Zo also stepped up huge on D[/quote]

I'm shocked that people don't appreciate this guy, a class act just like RGIII, Morris and a great all around player willing to do anything for the team. He' s one my favorite Redskins and would be extremely pissed if he's not resigned.

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Given our cap situation, we can't afford to have an expensive ST player. Unless Zo becomes a starting ILB next to Riley, we should let him get paid somewhere else. Unless he REALLY wants to, I don't think is in the position of giving us hometown discounts.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;996250]I'm shocked that people don't appreciate this guy, a class act just like RGIII, Morris and a great all around player willing to do anything for the team. He' s one my favorite Redskins and would be extremely pissed if he's not resigned.[/QUOTE]

Yeah plus he has earned the chance to play for a winning redskins team, after all the bad years he's been through.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;996253]Yeah plus he has earned the chance to play for a winning redskins team, after all the bad years he's been through.[/quote]

Zo has earned his chance to get a better contract period, I just feel that it won't be with the Redskins.

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I would file the law suit. See what we can keep or recoup.

Then I'd look at replacing the aged players. Out with the old in with the new and young. Keep getting younger and faster.

I'd look to rework some key expensive contracts pushing this years money into next year with the intent to free up more space to try and pick up some key FA's. I'd construct the contracts so that they get decent money this year and next year their payday kicks in. Then pray the FA accepts the offer.

I'd look for:

Tackle (RT)
CB
FS
WR- maybe if there is a viable one in FA

otherwise I'd look to the draft to pick up along with these... FS, CB, TE, RB/FB, RT, WR, DE, LB. Not in any specific order. Then bring in a few RT's, FS's, and CB's as UDFA's.

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[quote=Ruhskins;996254]Zo has earned his chance to get a better contract period, I just feel that it won't be with the Redskins.[/quote]

How much better though? His last deal was 3 yrs for $3.8M. I wouldn't go above 3 yrs $5 or $6M max.

I don't foresee teams beating down his door to give him anything too significant. I can see him returning here with a reasonable deal.

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[quote=GTripp0012;996227][B]Adam Jones [/B]signed, 2 yrs/$8 million, with $3.5 million guaranteed for skill, and cap, but two full years for injury. Five year deal with a player void option after two years (cap number: $2.5 million)

Claim [B]Rolando McClain [/B]off waivers from Oakland and immediately restructure contact, converting base salary in 2013 to a signing bonus amortized over five years (but voiding after year two) (Cap number: $2.1 million).[/quote]

I'd like to think that you're just kidding. These two people are nothing but trouble of the worst kind. I don't think the Redskins should have anything to do with either of them, much less both of them. I think the Skins need to rebuild with good people who are likely to be around for awhile.

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[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/03/01/performance-based-value-washington-redskins/[/url]

Undervalued

1. Alfred Morris, Halfback

In the battle between the Redskins star rookies, Morris wins this time as his sixth-round money was significantly lower than Robert Griffin III’s second overall pick money. His 51.0 Elusive Rating was fifth-best among all halfbacks. While a lot of people worry about players hitting a rookie wall, Morris actually improved late in the season with four straight games with five or six missed tackles caused to end the regular season.

2012 Cap Hit: $420k
2012 Performance Based Value: $9.8m
Value Differential: +$9.4m

2. Robert Griffin III, Quarterback

Throughout the 2012 season everyone let you know just how good Robert Griffin III is, but in case you need another stat to back it up, he averaged 10.8 yards per pass attempt when blitzed. The Redskins will enjoy these next few years getting great value for their star skill players. The only question that remains now is which of the rookie quarterbacks was most undervalued in 2012.

2012 Cap Hit: $3.8m
2012 Performance Based Value: $11.3m
Value Differential: +$7.5m

3. Ryan Kerrigan, Outside Linebacker

With Brian Orakpo injured, the Redskins counted on Kerrigan for all of their pass rushing needs. He ended up with nine sacks, nine hits and 51 hurries, which is fairly good even though it was on a high 611 pass rushes. While he isn’t yet in the same category as the best pass rushers in the league, Kerrigan is certainly an asset and worth more than his rookie contract.

2012 Cap Hit: $2.0m
2012 Performance Based Value: $7.7m
Value Differential: +$5.7m

Overvalued


1. Trent Williams, Offensive Tackle

The problem here is not that Trent Williams is a bad offensive tackle. In fact, he allowed just four sacks, two hits and 18 hurries which is very good, and he also had the seventh-best run block rating for left tackles, at +7.5. The problem is that his cap hit was ridiculously high in 2012. While it will go down in future years in his contract, it is still higher than the $6.9m he should have made in 2012. If he wants to live up to future years of his contract, he will have to do more to set himself apart from the other tackles.

2012 Cap Hit: $14.0m
2012 Performance Based Value: $6.9m
Value Differential: -$7.1m

2. DeAngelo Hall, Cornerback

Hall is a high risk, high reward cornerback. He allowed 1,045 passing yards this year, the second-most for all cornerbacks, which is a huge concern. On the bright side, he did have four interceptions and nine passes defended, which explains why his Performance Based Value is as high as it is. The bad news for Redskins fans is his cap hit is just going to get higher as we get further into his contract.

2012 Cap Hit: $6.5m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.9m
Value Differential: -$4.7m

3. Stephen Bowen, Defensive End

The Redskins used Bowen more than any other defensive linemen in 2012, but the problem was he wasn’t very effective on his snaps. His raw numbers of three sacks, six hits and 20 hurries look decent, but it came on a very high 531 pass rushes. He had some good games against the run to somewhat make up for it, but with so many of his snaps being pass rushes that’s not enough to justify $4.5 million.

2012 Cap Hit: $4.5m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.2m
Value Differential: -$3.3m

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;996327]I'd like to think that you're just kidding. These two people are nothing but trouble of the worst kind. I don't think the Redskins should have anything to do with either of them, much less both of them. I think the Skins need to rebuild with good people who are likely to be around for awhile.[/quote]

He's not. And call me crazy, but I wouldn't mind pac man and I would certainly love to have Rolando here.

The reason why pac mans name is being thrown around is because he quietly had one of the best seasons a CB had this year in the league.

Rolando, I think he just needs a change of scenary and leadership which I still think this team will have with or without Fletcher (Orakpo, Cofield, RG3). I think that if Rolando came here he'd be indetical to what Brandon Spikes is in New England (an occasional controversial tweet or hit on the field, but nothing major) than what he is in Oakland, with poor coaching and being in the wrong system with other players that are out of control could care less about winning, more about that paycheck, kind of guys.

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Alexander needed to take over Fletcher's spot...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996338]He's not. And call me crazy, but I wouldn't mind pac man and I would certainly love to have Rolando here.

The reason why pac mans name is being thrown around is because he quietly had one of the best seasons a CB had this year in the league.

Rolando, I think he just needs a change of scenary and leadership which I still think this team will have with or without Fletcher (Orakpo, Cofield, RG3). I think that if Rolando came here he'd be indetical to what Brandon Spikes is in New England (an occasional controversial tweet or hit on the field, but nothing major) than what he is in Oakland, with poor coaching and being in the wrong system with other players that are out of control could care less about winning, more about that paycheck, kind of guys.[/quote]

CB, you know I've complimented you on some of your posts, but you are way off the mark on this one.

You want to find out if these two knuckleheads will behave if they are in a better environment with grown-up teammates to babysit them? I think that's much too risky under our current circumstances. We only have a limited amount to spend in FA and I'd rather not take a chance on these miscreants.

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One thing that has made Shanahan (reasonably) successful so far in his Skins tenure is collecting high-character guys for the roster and letting those of lesser character leave. To bring in Pacman and/or McClain would run counter to this method.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;996397]CB, you know I've complimented you on some of your posts, but you are way off the mark on this one.

You want to find out if these two knuckleheads will behave if they are in a better environment with grown-up teammates to babysit them? I think that's much too risky under our current circumstances. We only have a limited amount to spend in FA and I'd rather not take a chance on these miscreants.[/quote]

To respond to yours and lotus's posts at once, shanahan has taken risks on players with bad character in the past (Brandon Marshall, Maurice clarette, Trent Williams, bill romanowski to name a few).

I'm not going to argue about pacman. He's F'ed up enough.

Rolando, he's had two notable run ins with the law recently. But back in college and his other year in the pros he was clean. I feel like he may be a guy that like I said needs a change of scenery.

He's worth a 7th rounder and a conditional pick that can escalade if he performs well.

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he's certaintly worth that ^

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Players I would cut:

Moss
D. Hall
Carriker



I'd resign Hall if his number would be in the 2-3mil/year range, other than that he can hit the streets.


We need to bring Morgan's cap figure down. If not, cut him as well. He's played well, but not for that type of money.