Hugo Chavez Dead
 

Adios!

Re: Hugo Chavez Dead
 

Latin America will not be the same. Whatever we might think about Chavez, he was a hero to many from Mexico to Tierra del Fuego.

[QUOTE=Lotus;996522]Latin America will not be the same. Whatever we might think about Chavez, he was a hero to many from Mexico to Tierra del Fuego.[/QUOTE]

So was Hitler in the late 30's

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[quote=RedskinRat;996525]So was Hitler in the late 30's[/quote]

Exactly. Whoever thought highly of Chavez was either brainwashed, had their pockets lined by him, or were completely ignorant to the way most of the world works.

The world is better today because of his death, so f him. Too bad I don't believe in heaven or hell, because this guy would definitely be in hell.

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I was not defending Chavez, with whom I had some disagreements. Notice my qualifier, "Whatever we might think." But my statement above is factually correct.

The comparison of Chavez with Hitler is a poor one. Chavez was a socialist whereas Hitler was a fascist, putting them at opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. Chavez never started a world war. Chavez was not directly responsible for the deaths of millions upon millions. To compare Chavez with Hitler is to forget who Hitler really was.

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[IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/gfxanniedmb/clapyx7.gif[/IMG]

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Shouldn't this be in the debating with the enemy thread? This is going to turn into a, "socialism corrupts" thread.

Or whatever, Chavez was nothing to me. *shrugs*

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[quote=DynamiteRave;996537]Shouldn't this be in the debating with the enemy thread? This is going to turn into a, [B]"socialism corrupts"[/B] thread.

Or whatever, Chavez was nothing to me. *shrugs*[/quote]

Good point....we should build a wall to protect our socialism....much like Mother Russia. Actually we could probably buy the damn thing off EBAY since they went all........Western

[QUOTE=Lotus;996535]The comparison of Chavez with Hitler is a poor one. [/QUOTE]
You said he was a hero to millions, I merely compared his 'worship' to Hitler. You're presenting the straw man of ideologies.

Yawn.

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[quote=RedskinRat;996543]You said he was a hero to millions, I merely compared his 'worship' to Hitler. You're presenting the straw man of ideologies.

Yawn.[/quote]

Fine. Have it your way. Let's use your logic. Since George Washington was a hero to many, he was like Hitler. Or so you must think to remain consistent in your logic.

Or perhaps you should revise your intellectually lazy comparison of Chavez with Hitler.

[QUOTE=Lotus;996544]Fine. Have it your way. Let's use your logic. Since George Washington was a hero to many, he was like Hitler. Or so you must think to remain consistent in your logic.

Or perhaps you should revise your intellectually lazy comparison of Chavez with Hitler.[/QUOTE]
Chavez/Hitler despotic dictators. Washington? Great leader, beloved and benign. Oh, and half of the name of my favorite NFL team, commie!


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I wonder if Dennis Rodman is going to the funneral?

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[quote=RedskinRat;996546][B]Chavez/Hitler despotic dictators.[/B] Washington? Great leader, beloved and benign. Oh, and half of the name of my favorite NFL team, commie!


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Which brings me back to the point I made before: Chavez a socialist, Hitler a fascist mass murderer. Not the same.

"Despotic dictator" does not say much, as it is vague and non-descriptive. There are many different ways to be a "despotic dictator." Cyrus of Persia, for example, was a despotic dictator, but he encouraged tolerance throughout his realm and freed Jews from the Babylonian exile. Is a man who kills Jews and a man who frees them the same?

Like I said, intellectually lazy thinking in this thread.

[QUOTE=Lotus;996556]Which brings me back to the [/QUOTE]<SNIP>

Mmmmmmm, smell the pompous!

Evil leaders are still evil leaders. Hitler was a vegetarian, yet his other activities outweigh that effort, for me.

I'm sure your flexible moral yardstick has been further warped from extended immersion in the sewer of fraudulent academia.

how did he die? and how old was he? too finger-lazy to google on my phone
:cheeky-sm

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[quote=Lotus;996556]Which brings me back to the point I made before: Chavez a socialist, Hitler a fascist mass murderer. Not the same.

"Despotic dictator" does not say much, as it is vague and non-descriptive. There are many different ways to be a "despotic dictator." Cyrus of Persia, for example, was a despotic dictator, but he encouraged tolerance throughout his realm and freed Jews from the Babylonian exile. Is a man who kills Jews and a man who frees them the same?

Like I said, intellectually lazy thinking in this thread.[/quote]

You miss the point. To get hung up on whether Chavez and Hitler are the same are different is asinine and pointless. The world is better off with him dead, that's the point. He had countless human rights violations, was friendly/supportive of Iran and North Korea, and was openly combative on the diplomatic stage with the United States. Nobody cares what his politics were. The sum total of his life = piece of shit, and the world is better off with him dead. That's the point.

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[quote=RedskinRat;996558]<SNIP>

Mmmmmmm, smell the pompous!

Evil leaders are still evil leaders. Hitler was a vegetarian, yet his other activities outweigh that effort, for me.

I'm sure your flexible moral yardstick has been further warped from extended immersion in the sewer of fraudulent academia.[/quote]

Attacks against the person are the resort of those who have no real argument.

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[quote=Lotus;996561]Attacks against the person are the resort of those who have no real argument.[/quote]

Lotus, you're trying to win an argument nobody gives two shits about.

[QUOTE=Schneed10;996562]Lotus, you're trying to win an argument nobody gives two shits about.[/QUOTE]

Shhhhh! This is fun!

Re: Hugo Chavez Dead
 

[quote=Schneed10;996562]Lotus, you're trying to win an argument nobody gives two shits about.[/quote]

With all respect, YOU don't care about it. Many others do. We can't understand his effect on Latin America in the past or in the future while we talk about him like a wooden stereotype.

Or, put differently, to compare him to Hitler is to insult Hitler's many victims, since Chavez did not do the same.

But I am not defending him. For example, in your list above you did not mention how he cozied up to China in particularly galling ways. But let's keep things in context and not over-react. He was no Hitler.

Re: Hugo Chavez Dead
 

This was posted on Reddit. It was a CNN comment left by a Venezuelan and his thoughts on Hugo's death. It's powerful and pretty much sums it up about Chavez.

[quote]This comment on CNN is well put. Kudos to the writer. For the too lazy to go over to CNN, here it is

"Rest in peace, Hugo Rafael Chávez Frías. As a Venezuelan, I didn't agree with most of your policies and politics, but I do not rejoice in your death and I do respect the pain of your family and supporters.

In 1998, when you campaigned for the presidency -and promised to end corruption- despite my disappointment with the traditional parties, I did not support you because you had led a coup against president Carlos Andres Pérez. I didn't like Pérez, but he was elected by our people and attempting to overthrow him was proof that you did not respect the will of Venezuelans.

I didn't oppose 100% of what you did. I was grateful, for example, that you placed the issue of poverty on the table and you put the spotlight on millions of Venezuelans that until then had been excluded. I knew that the Cuban doctors in the slums were unprepared and unequipped, but I understood that they meant the world to the mother that knocks on their door at 3am. I was also happy of the way most Venezuelans started to care about politics again (some because they supported you; others because they opposed you). The anti-politic feeling we saw in the 90's was precisely what got you elected. And I also kept in mind that a majority of Venezuelans did support you, so you certainly had a right to be in office.

These are my 10 reasons why I will not miss you:

1. Your authoritarian manner (which reflected a flaw probably most Venezuelans have), and your inability to engage in an honest dialogue with anyone that opposed you. Even from your death bed, you had a Supreme Court justice fired because she didn't agree with your politics.

2. Your disrespect for the rule of law and your contribution to a climate of impunity in Venezuela. In 1999, you re-wrote the Constitution to fit your needs, and yet you violated it almost on a daily basis. With this example, it is no surprise that crime exploded in Venezuela. In 14 years, our homicide rate more than tripled from 22/100K to 74/100K. While judges were busy trying to prove their political allegiance to you, only 11% of homicides led to a conviction.

3. Your empty promises and the way you manipulated many Venezuelans to think you were really working for them. In 14 years you built less public housing than any president before you did in their 5 year periods. Hospitals today have no resources, and if you go there in emergency you must everything from medicines to surgical gloves and masks. The truth is that you were better at blowing your own trumpet than at getting things done.

4. The astounding level of corruption of your government. There was corruption before you got elected, but normally a government's scandals weren't made public until they handed power to the opposing party. Now we've heard about millions and millions of dollars vanishing in front of everybody's eyes, and your only reaction was to attack the media that revealed the corruption. The only politicians accused of corruption have been from parties that oppose you, and mostly on trumped up charges. For example, Leopoldo Lopez was never condemned by the courts but you still prevented him for running for office. His crime? Using money from the wrong budget allocation to pay for the salaries of teachers and firemen -because your government withheld the appropriate funds.

5. The opportunities you missed. When you took office, the price of oil was $9.30, and in 2008 it reached $126.33. There was so much good you could have done with that money! And yet you decided to throw it away on corruption and buying elections and weapons. If you had used these resources well, 10.7% of Venezuelans would not be in extreme poverty.

6. Your attacks on private property and entrepreneurship. You nationalized hundreds of private companies, and pushed hundreds more towards bankruptcy. Not because you were a communist or a socialist, but simply because you wanted no one left with any power to oppose you. If everyone was a public employee, you could force them to attend your political rallies, and the opposition would not get any funding.

7. Your hypocrisy on freedom and human rights. You shut down more than 30 radio and television stations for being critical of your government, you denied access to foreign currency for newspapers to buy printing paper (regular citizens can't access foreign currency unless you authorize it), you imprisoned people without trial for years, you imprisoned people for crimes of opinion, you fired tens of thousands of public employees for signing a petition for a recall referendum and you denied them access to public services and even ID cards and passports.

8. Your hypocrisy on the issue of Venezuela's sovereignty. You kicked out the Americans but then you pulled down your pants for the Cubans, Russians, Chinese and Iranians. We have Cuban officers giving orders in the Venezuelan army. Chinese oil companies work with a higher margin of profit than any Western companies did. And you made it clear that your alliances would be with governments that massacre their own people.

9. Your hypocrisy on the issue of violence. You said this was a peaceful revolution but you allowed illegal armed groups like Tupamaros, La Piedrita and FBLN to operate. You gave them weapons. You had the Russians set up a Kalashnikov plant in Venezuela. You were critical of American wars but yet you gave weapons to the Colombian guerrilla, whose only agenda is murder and drug-dealing.

10. Your hypocrisy on democracy. Your favorite insult for the opposition parties in Venezuela was "coupists", but you forgot you organized a coup in 1992, and the military that was loyal to you suggested they would support a coup in your favor if the opposition ever won the presidential elections. There was no democracy in your political party: you chose each of the candidates for the National Assembly and for city and state governments. When the opposition won the referendum that would have allowed you to change the Constitution in 2007, you disavowed the results and you figured out a way to change the articles and allow yourself to be reelected as many times as you wanted. You manipulated the elections in 2010 to make sure the opposition didn't get more than a third of seats in Parliament even though they got 51% of the popular vote. Your democracy was made of paper, you made sure there were no meaningful checks and balances and all institutions were your puppets.

So no, Hugo I will not miss you. Rest in peace now, while we try to rebuild the mess of a country that you left us."
[/quote]

Re: Hugo Chavez Dead
 

See ya later, tin pot.
Enjoy being a worm feast......

Who will Sean Penn worship now?

Re: Hugo Chavez Dead
 

[quote=NC_Skins;996568]This was posted on Reddit. It was a CNN comment left by a Venezuelan and his thoughts on Hugo's death. It's powerful and pretty much sums it up about Chavez.[/quote]

That just looks like one of those internet letter you find out was not what it seemed.

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[quote=firstdown;996597]That just looks like one of those internet letter you find out was not what it seemed.[/quote]

In other words, you didn't read it like many of the other things you respond to. It's not like any internet letter.

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[quote=NC_Skins;996626]In other words, you didn't read it like many of the[B] other things you respond to[/B]. It's not like any internet letter.[/quote]

Actually who gives a F^%K?

Re: Hugo Chavez Dead
 

yeah probably should have started the thread in debating the enemy section.

You know, I get Lotus' point. Even though I am not saddened by his passing, I understand that Chavez was loved amongst his people, and that today a lot of people are in mourning for him. Either way, his death doesn't affect me personally.

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[quote=firstdown;996630]Actually who gives a F^%K?[/quote]

Even though a lot of it is hotwinded and banal you must read everything in detail in this forum and write a dissertation on your findings or you will be labeled as a dipstick.

Re: Hugo Chavez Dead
 

[quote=firstdown;996630]Actually who gives a F^%K?[/quote]

So why are you still here? Move along.



[quote=Alvin Walton;996641]Even though a lot of it is hotwinded and banal you must read everything in detail in this forum and write a dissertation on your findings or you will be labeled as a dipstick.[/quote]


No, it's usually a situation where a person comments about a article they didn't read. It's much like GOAT trying to critique how players played without watching the game.

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[quote=NC_Skins;996645]So why are you still here? Move along.






No, it's usually a situation where a person comments about a article they didn't read. It's much like GOAT trying to critique how players played without watching the game.[/quote]

So you read all the links you post? Yesterday you didn't seem to understand why the NFL gets security provided until I posted a section of the article from your link. I read averthing you post and all the links you provide.

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[quote=firstdown;996661]Yesterday you didn't seem to understand why the NFL gets security provided until I posted a section of the article from your link. I read averthing you post and all the links you provide.[/quote]


Are you serious? I understood EXACTLY why, I simply said I didn't agree and thought it should be cut out as well.


Anyways, if you had read the comment, you'd find out a viewpoint from a Venezuelan, and it wasn't all that pleasant.

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[quote=NC_Skins;996667]Are you serious? I understood EXACTLY why, I simply said I didn't agree and thought it should be cut out as well.


Anyways, if you had read the comment, you'd find out a viewpoint from a Venezuelan, and it wasn't all that pleasant.[/quote]

You men the 10 reason why he won't miss him.

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[quote=Lotus;996561]Attacks against the person are the resort of those who have no real argument.[/quote]

Then you'll recall you were the first to throw an insult my way*.

Hypocrite much?

* Long time ago.

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MSNBC link

[URL="http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/05/17199243-world-leaders-pay-tribute-to-hugo-chavez-as-wave-of-grief-washes-over-latin-america?lite"]World leaders pay tribute to Hugo Chavez as wave of grief washes over Latin America[/URL]

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so, when is this getting locked? seems like it's about that time.

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[quote=firstdown;996547]I wonder if Dennis Rodman is going to the funneral?[/quote]


???,or do you mean Joe Kennedy?

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II]Joseph P. Kennedy II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]


Venezuela
Beginning in 2005, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citgo"][COLOR=#0066cc]Citgo Petroleum Company[/COLOR][/URL] (Citgo), a wholly owned [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiary"][COLOR=#0066cc]subsidiary[/COLOR][/URL] of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr%C3%B3leos_de_Venezuela_S.A."][COLOR=#0066cc]Petróleos de Venezuela[/COLOR][/URL] (PDVSA) — the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela"][COLOR=#0066cc]Venezuelan[/COLOR][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization"][COLOR=#0066cc]state-owned[/COLOR][/URL] oil company — has been the primary [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation"][COLOR=#0066cc]donor[/COLOR][/URL] of heating oil to Citizens Energy. [I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall_Street_Journal"][COLOR=#0066cc]The Wall Street Journal[/COLOR][/URL][/I] and others criticized Citizens Energy for continuing its relationship with the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Venezuela"][COLOR=#0066cc]Venezuelan government[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_Venezuela"][COLOR=#0066cc]Venezuelan President[/COLOR][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez"][COLOR=#0066cc]Hugo Chávez[/COLOR][/URL], a harsh critic of U.S. President [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush"][COLOR=#0066cc]George W. Bush[/COLOR][/URL].[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-43"][COLOR=#0066cc][42][/COLOR][/URL] In response, Kennedy and others[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-44"][COLOR=#0066cc][43][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-45"][COLOR=#0066cc][44][/COLOR][/URL] have argued that it is hypocritical to criticize a non-profit organization for accepting oil from Venezuela while numerous other American businesses are profiting from robust trade with Venezuela and at a time when the U.S. government has cut low-income fuel assistance.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-46"][COLOR=#0066cc][45][/COLOR][/URL]
During the last two years, Citgo donated eighty-three million gallons of oil, which was used to provide heating assistance to an estimated 200,000 families a year in twenty-three states.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-47"][COLOR=#0066cc][46][/COLOR][/URL]

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[quote=Giantone;996723]???,or do you mean Joe Kennedy?

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II"]Joseph P. Kennedy II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]


Venezuela
Beginning in 2005, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citgo"][COLOR=#0066cc]Citgo Petroleum Company[/COLOR][/URL] (Citgo), a wholly owned [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiary"][COLOR=#0066cc]subsidiary[/COLOR][/URL] of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr%C3%B3leos_de_Venezuela_S.A."][COLOR=#0066cc]Petróleos de Venezuela[/COLOR][/URL] (PDVSA) — the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela"][COLOR=#0066cc]Venezuelan[/COLOR][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization"][COLOR=#0066cc]state-owned[/COLOR][/URL] oil company — has been the primary [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation"][COLOR=#0066cc]donor[/COLOR][/URL] of heating oil to Citizens Energy. [I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall_Street_Journal"][COLOR=#0066cc]The Wall Street Journal[/COLOR][/URL][/I] and others criticized Citizens Energy for continuing its relationship with the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Venezuela"][COLOR=#0066cc]Venezuelan government[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_Venezuela"][COLOR=#0066cc]Venezuelan President[/COLOR][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez"][COLOR=#0066cc]Hugo Chávez[/COLOR][/URL], a harsh critic of U.S. President [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush"][COLOR=#0066cc]George W. Bush[/COLOR][/URL].[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-43"][COLOR=#0066cc][42][/COLOR][/URL] In response, Kennedy and others[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-44"][COLOR=#0066cc][43][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-45"][COLOR=#0066cc][44][/COLOR][/URL] have argued that it is hypocritical to criticize a non-profit organization for accepting oil from Venezuela while numerous other American businesses are profiting from robust trade with Venezuela and at a time when the U.S. government has cut low-income fuel assistance.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-46"][COLOR=#0066cc][45][/COLOR][/URL]
During the last two years, Citgo donated eighty-three million gallons of oil, which was used to provide heating assistance to an estimated 200,000 families a year in twenty-three states.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-47"][COLOR=#0066cc][46][/COLOR][/URL][/quote]

Well I'm guilty of buying gas from Citgo from time to time so I can't really say anything. Not sure if i view them as a big threat to us.

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[quote=That Guy;996693]so, when is this getting locked? seems like it's about that time.[/quote]

Or you could ignore the thread?

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[quote=Giantone;996723]???,or do you mean Joe Kennedy?

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II"]Joseph P. Kennedy II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]


Venezuela
Beginning in 2005, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citgo"][COLOR=#0066cc]Citgo Petroleum Company[/COLOR][/URL] (Citgo), a wholly owned [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiary"][COLOR=#0066cc]subsidiary[/COLOR][/URL] of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr%C3%B3leos_de_Venezuela_S.A."][COLOR=#0066cc]Petróleos de Venezuela[/COLOR][/URL] (PDVSA) — the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela"][COLOR=#0066cc]Venezuelan[/COLOR][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization"][COLOR=#0066cc]state-owned[/COLOR][/URL] oil company — has been the primary [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation"][COLOR=#0066cc]donor[/COLOR][/URL] of heating oil to Citizens Energy. [I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall_Street_Journal"][COLOR=#0066cc]The Wall Street Journal[/COLOR][/URL][/I] and others criticized Citizens Energy for continuing its relationship with the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Venezuela"][COLOR=#0066cc]Venezuelan government[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_Venezuela"][COLOR=#0066cc]Venezuelan President[/COLOR][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez"][COLOR=#0066cc]Hugo Chávez[/COLOR][/URL], a harsh critic of U.S. President [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush"][COLOR=#0066cc]George W. Bush[/COLOR][/URL].[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-43"][COLOR=#0066cc][42][/COLOR][/URL] In response, Kennedy and others[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-44"][COLOR=#0066cc][43][/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-45"][COLOR=#0066cc][44][/COLOR][/URL] have argued that it is hypocritical to criticize a non-profit organization for accepting oil from Venezuela while numerous other American businesses are profiting from robust trade with Venezuela and at a time when the U.S. government has cut low-income fuel assistance.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-46"][COLOR=#0066cc][45][/COLOR][/URL]
During the last two years, Citgo donated eighty-three million gallons of oil, which was used to provide heating assistance to an estimated 200,000 families a year in twenty-three states.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy_II#cite_note-47"][COLOR=#0066cc][46][/COLOR][/URL][/quote]


I was in NYC last week and was absolutely SHOCKED when i saw the commercial of Joe Kennedy praising Chavez and the good people of Venezuelan. This was right before Hugo dies so im guessing they just run commercials like that all the time up there? Crazy liberals.

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[quote=Lotus;996535]
Chavez was a socialist whereas Hitler was a fascist, putting them at [B]opposite ends of the ideological spectrum.[/B] Chavez never started a world war.[/quote]

This is why the conventually thought of polotical spectrum shouldnt be called a spectrum. Facism and Socialism are both forms of Statism. If they were ploted on the color spectrum they would both just be different sheens of red, opposite Libertarism violet.