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Now that we have Moss, Patten, McCants, Jacobs and Thrash I think we could get by with that receiving corps. I don't think that we will have one or two individuals really break out, but I think we could have an offense similar to that of the Pats.

Which leads me to the draft. All I've seen is that Shawn Merriman will be the first DE taken. I think we should take a look at him. I don't know much about him or if he is dominant, but I know he is a pass rusher. We didn't have much of a pass rush from our front four last year and while we did a good job of masking that, I think we need to get better up front. I think he would be a good pick at 9.

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If they want to go dline then this guy would be a threat, and he would suit Williams diverse playcalling because he can easily step back into the linebacker role for coverage and have someone else blitz to mix things up. Him and lavar could have a field day messing with the tackles head, or even better both blitz.

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If we WERE to go with a DE, I would say Merriman or James.

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[QUOTE=jdlea] but I think we could have an offense similar to that of the Pats.
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the only problem is we don't have Tom Brady who is a better quarterback then Patrick

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[QUOTE=Duffman003]the only problem is we don't have Tom Brady who is a better quarterback then Patrick[/QUOTE]

smart wise yes, physical talent no. but if thats what smarts gets u over physical talent we need to us one of them, or atleast hope Brunnel drops some knowledge on Ramsey from his earlier playing days.

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Clearly Brady has a better head on his shoulders when he is on the field. However, I think there are a lot of QBs who could flourish without having a number one receiver. If you run a system where you don't have to try to get a guy 100 balls a year. I think that having a system where you simply have a receiving corps is the answer in today's NFL. Especially now that corners can't touch receivers anymore.

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I see the point about having a WR corps. However, to play devil's advocate, I wonder what Donovan McNabb would tell you about it not being important to have a go-to-receiver. He was a [i]good[/i] QB before TO, but when TO came around, his statistics ALL skyrocketed. I think that kind of addition would/could really upgrade our offensive attack. A good passrushing DE would [i]help[/i] but I don't think it would significantly upgrade our D, especially with LaVar returning. We can now attack off the edges with both of our OLBs.

So I guess my point is, if we have any chance at Mike Williams, we should jump at it. But Merriman is a pretty good consolation prize; some people think he has the tools to be a Julius Peppers type of player with his freakish athleticism. Also, the Cowboys want him [b]badly[/b] so it would be nice to screw them over.

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I agree that a number one can put your team over the top...no doubt. However, I think that Williams and Edwards are gonna be gone. So, I think they should think about a DE because I just htink it would awesome to have a great DE. I'm too young to remember Charles Mann, so I would like to see one here now.

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Anybody Know What's Up With David Boston?, He Was Released And Maybe
We Could Get Him Some What Cheap. He Needs To Restart His Career. And If Big If He Is Really Healthy He Could Help Then We Can Replenish The D.

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I still think WR is the biggest need on the team. Ramsey is not Tom Brady...he needs a serious playmaker at WR to make this offense work.

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I like the recieving corp as well, though they may not be spectacular or that one standout, I can't figure out why Darnerian or is it Darcarian like Spurrier used to call him, can't be that red zone threat. How many times did Spurrier use that little out with McCants inside the 10 and put 6 on the board. He seems to me to be a possession receiver and even has some speed to get down field.

Is the guy a basket case, attitude problems, to worried about his singing career? I'm lost to the lack of use of him besides the special teams, but as poor as we were in the red zone. I would definitely consider bringing him in along with cooley a threat in the red zone and use betts to somewhat power the middle. Little triple threat action.

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[QUOTE=e16bball]I see the point about having a WR corps. However, to play devil's advocate, I wonder what Donovan McNabb would tell you about it not being important to have a go-to-receiver. He was a [i]good[/i] QB before TO, but when TO came around, his statistics ALL skyrocketed. I think that kind of addition would/could really upgrade our offensive attack. A good passrushing DE would [i]help[/i] but I don't think it would significantly upgrade our D, especially with LaVar returning. We can now attack off the edges with both of our OLBs.

So I guess my point is, if we have any chance at Mike Williams, we should jump at it. But Merriman is a pretty good consolation prize; some people think he has the tools to be a Julius Peppers type of player with his freakish athleticism. Also, the Cowboys want him [b]badly[/b] so it would be nice to screw them over.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with that statement. If Williams is there, he's worth the chance. Again, I say what was our strength last year? Defense. What, if any, position do we need a major upgrade at? Wide receiver. So if we have a shot at Williams, I say take it.

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merriman is really small for a DE, hes a tweener, probably best suited for the outside LB in a 3-4 scheme. i dont think right now he can be a 3 down player at DE, just a situational pass rusher until he ads some bulk

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We need both a CB and a WR before a DE. I think we'll have a shot at a stud WR and we should take him. If we don't then there are still some quality CBs we could go after. I don't think any of the DEs or CBs are stud quality but here are some who will be good players.

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I'd still go WR if we keep the #9 pick.

I just don't see DE as huge need. It would be nice, but the D was just fine last year without a superstar pass rusher.

Getting LaVar back should help improve our pass rush options, as well the continued development of Clemons.

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Yeah we have three real options with that pick. WR, CB or trade. None of the DEs offer the value needed at 9 I don't think. Gotta get value with your pick always. Glad we don't have a top 3 choice...it is going to be hard for those teams to get value up there this year. Seems like an awful weak draft at the top this year. The 7-9 type players are just as good if not better. It's all abut team needs this year.

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That's right. I forgot about Clemons. He is FAST. I can't wait to see him used more.

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[QUOTE=celts32]I still think WR is the biggest need on the team. Ramsey is not Tom Brady...he needs a serious playmaker at WR to make this offense work.[/QUOTE]


Nah I don't think it's the biggest need now, but we certainly could use another big time threat! I believe we need to make sure our offensive and defensive lines are solid.

Anybody feel the need for us to go after a good TE?

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A good blocking TE. What I mean by that, someone we can pick up in the later rounds that would be a great blocking back and catch the occassional pass.

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Yeah, definitely a solid blocker, but someone who isn't afraid to catch a pass or two! Wow, if we could turn back time and bring Clint Diddier....but I would be happy with a Donny Warren as well.

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I think we could find someone who is a steal in later rounds. Someone like Chris Cooley who is a playmker but we got for a bargain.

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The reason I'm putting this out there is because every mock draft I've seen has Williams and Edwards off the board before we pick.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]The reason I'm putting this out there is because every mock draft I've seen has Williams and Edwards off the board before we pick.[/QUOTE]


Kiper has William's going to us at 9, and Edward's going to minnesota at 7, cleveland now that they signed Dilfer and Chicago are the team's I believe could gum up the work's for us depending, the key in the top 10 is the runningback's, there are 3 top flight back's which may push Edward's and William's to us, I think we will see some real surprises come draft day in the top 15.

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best available CB, DE, or WR at 9. if edwards or williams is there at 9, i won't complain. however, i do feel that our wr corps will be solid, and if these 2 aren't available, we'll need to look elsewhere.

Merriman is around 250 (one site had him listed at like 272!), and will be best suited as a tweener, OLB/Pass Rusher ala Chris Clemons. i would love to see him in burgundy and gold...there are several good to great pass rushers in the NFL (John Abraham, KGB, Lance Johnstone, Leonard Little, Adewale Ogunleye) who are between 250 and 260 who have thrived on their speed and power, 2 things Merriman have truly shown. however, it's a crap shoot for him to be a full time DE...

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[QUOTE=offiss]Kiper has William's going to us at 9, and Edward's going to minnesota at 7, cleveland now that they signed Dilfer and Chicago are the team's I believe could gum up the work's for us depending, the key in the top 10 is the runningback's, there are 3 top flight back's which may push Edward's and William's to us, I think we will see some real surprises come draft day in the top 15.[/QUOTE]
The key in the top is who trades down. If it stays the way it is now we can be 99% assured of Edwards or Williams getting to us. But there will undoubtedly be trades that shake it all up. If we can't get Williams or Edwards we trade down for better value.

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why is defensive end such a big deal to everyone. our defense wasn't that bad last year. yet most of the talk is about upgrading at defensive end. we released jermaine haley, dt. we also have gaping holes at middle linebacker and cornerback. but, we need to focus on defensive end just because. but if we were going after defensive end, i would take erasmus james and move him to defensive tackle alongside cornelius griffin.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]The key in the top is who trades down. If it stays the way it is now we can be 99% assured of Edwards or Williams getting to us. But there will undoubtedly be trades that shake it all up. If we can't get Williams or Edwards we trade down for better value.[/QUOTE]


I don't know if there will be much trading down in the top 7, team's that need a back which includes most of the top 6 won't find a franchise back late in the round, so I expect them to stay put, same with QB's this year, so I would say there are 5 team's who have the exact need's as what the top player's in this draft bring to the table, 3 RB's, and 2 qb's, if a back isn't available for Arizona, they could very well deal out of the 8 spot, but we all know every year player's start dropping who no one thought would, Wilfork, jackson, Jones last year to name a few.

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[QUOTE=celts32]I still think WR is the biggest need on the team. Ramsey is not Tom Brady...he needs a serious playmaker at WR to make this offense work.[/QUOTE]

But do we do this through the draft and take a chance on a young player...
we all remember Michael Westbrook never amounted to much. Something tells me Williams or Edwards won't be there at #9...so I say take the top DE Merriman, but if neither the WR nor DE is there trade down and grab someone at these positions in the later rounds. If it's Bill Parcell's that wants Merriman, I'd grab him, if it's Jerry Jones' pick.......pass :rolleyes:

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AGAIN, everyone is forgetting that we should have a healthy Phillip Daniels next year. Why not give him a chance?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I think we could find someone who is a steal in later rounds. Someone like Chris Cooley who is a playmker but we got for a bargain.[/QUOTE]

I like Cooley but a steal? He cost a 2nd round pick in this draft! Not such a steal! By the way we picked him in the 3rd round of 04 draft! Now if we picked him up for a 4th round pick or later I say you were right!

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]I like Cooley but a steal? He cost a 2nd round pick in this draft! Not such a steal! By the way we picked him in the 3rd round of 04 draft! Now if we picked him up for a 4th round pick or later I say you were right![/QUOTE]
Yeah we gave up a second round pick in this years draft for him, but look at what he did for our team too!! Yeah Cris Cooley was a steal, he easily out-performed everyone else that was drafted at TE last year and did more than what was really expected out of a rookie.

It may have cost us a 2nd round pick but I would give that up everytime and twice on Sunday for a player of Cooley's caliber!!!

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I believe in the "best available player, regardless of position" philosophy for the draft....And from what Gibbs has said, I think the Skins feel the same way. Was FS our biggest need last year? I didn't think so, but Taylor was too good to pass up. They have tried to fill any holes through FA or promoting from within. This gives them they advantage in terms of trading to move in a spot to draft a certain player, but if it doesn't work, they aren't limited to having to find a player that plays a specific position. Of course this doesn't always work, but the idea behind it is good.
That said, I don't think WR is our biggest need, but if we ended up with someone like Williams, I wouldn't be upset. I don't really follow college ball, so I mainly go by what I read about them, so it seems like we have a couple decent options, whether it be a WR, CB, DE, or trading down to gain another pick or two.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]Yeah we gave up a second round pick in this years draft for him, but look at what he did for our team too!! Yeah Cris Cooley was a steal, he easily out-performed everyone else that was drafted at TE last year and did more than what was really expected out of a rookie.

It may have cost us a 2nd round pick but I would give that up everytime and twice on Sunday for a player of Cooley's caliber!!![/QUOTE]

I did say that the pick wasn't good or even great! Cooley had a good year not a great year. I believe his best year are to come! But a steal NO!!! I Believe that a 2nd pick and a first for the most part should be that good! Look at some of our 2nd round picks Jansen,Smoot and Jacobe not to bad! On the other had first rounders like Gardner have only been so so! Then you look at out middle and late drafts of late not so good if not Bad! So you better make picks like Cooley are you are in real trouble! A steal no! A good pick yes!

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]I did say that the pick wasn't good or even great! Cooley had a good year not a great year. I believe his best year are to come! But a steal NO!!! I Believe that a 2nd pick and a first for the most part should be that good! Look at some of our 2nd round picks Jansen,Smoot and Jacobe not to bad! On the other had first rounders like Gardner have only been so so! Then you look at out middle and late drafts of late not so good if not Bad! So you better make picks like Cooley are you are in real trouble! A steal no! A good pick yes![/QUOTE]
Jacobs may end up being good (God, I hope so). Cooley has more catches, yardage, and touchdowns in one year than Jacobs has in two, so the edge goes to Cooley right now.

Any draft pick should be judged on its own merits. Was Desmond Howard a bad pick - YES. Was Jon Jansen a good pick - YES. Does that mean we should trade our first round picks for second round picks every time?

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I say Cooley was a steal because of the high caliber player that we got from such a high round in the draft.