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It was interesting to find out that the only person to ever outrun Moss was Antonio Brown, and the only person to beat Antonio Brown was Moss, say what you want about our WR's at this point but we have significantly upgraded our team speed, when Portis say's Antonio ran the fastest 40 he's ever seen you know the kid can pick them up and lay them down. I think our return game this season will be as exiting to watch as any we ever had, and we may be the greatest team of all time in that department to date. In the brief time we had to watch Brown perform I have to say he was running as fast as anyone I have ever seen, I am Talking D.Green fast, at least.

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It's not how fast you can run. It's how good you can catch the ball and how you run routes. Speed kills, but good hands are devastating. I mean, no one has ever committed murder with speed have they now? Think about it!

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[QUOTE=saden1]It's not how fast you can run. It's how good you can catch the ball and how you run routes. Speed kills, but good hands are devastating. I mean, no one has ever committed murder with speed have they now? Think about it![/QUOTE]


You're right they do have to have good hands, but to stop the complaining about a deep threat, you have to have someone that can get open deep.....our receivers this year were no deep threats.

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Well - speed kills in the return game. A couple good blocks and these guys are HISTORY! May be the only way we can score!

Anyhow, Brown may be intersting to at least give a small role to at WR spot. Just to see what he can do in a game with adrenaline flowing. Dick Vermeil once said: "You can teach someone to catch a ball, you can teach someone to run routes, but you sure as hell can't teach speed!" That's a paraphrase. I agree with it

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That's definitely a good quote coming from Dick Vermiel. All of you know he coaches em up and makes em playmakers. Look at Dante Hall. Fell off last year, but year before that man was getting it done outside of the return game as much as he was in it.

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Even if a player is not a quintessential WR doesn't mean he's useless [brown]there are plenty of way's to get a player the ball on offense to utilize his speed on occasion, and as far as the return game goes he look's phenomenal, add Moss into that picture and look out. It's up to Gibb's to utilize their talent's to maximize their production.

Dante Hall does a pretty good job of impacting games in KC and he's no prototypical WR.

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hell - run a reverse with him and say goodbye!

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That would be great... i cant wait till the season starts (i know everyone has had this thought many times, but its true) ,, lets go Skins!

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[QUOTE=saden1]It's not how fast you can run. It's how good you can catch the ball and how you run routes. Speed kills, but good hands are devastating. I mean, no one has ever committed murder with speed have they now? Think about it![/QUOTE]
What about vehicular homicide? ;)

The road to greatness is littered with incomplete players. Guys who can catch, but are too slow. Guys who are burners with bad hands. With Moss, we have a player who has had a 70+ catch season, so hopefully he's not on that list.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]What about vehicular homicide? ;)[/QUOTE]

I had exactly that in mind when i wrote "think about it!" Think about that!

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Didn't we also think Chad Morton was going to fis the return game? Special teams are all about blocking and execution and the Redskins have not done enough of that in recent years.

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[QUOTE=saden1]I had exactly that in mind when i wrote "think about it!" Think about that![/QUOTE]
The perfect crime!

Does Laverneous need a ride to the airport?

Jokes!

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[QUOTE=celts32]Didn't we also think Chad Morton was going to fis the return game? Special teams are all about blocking and execution and the Redskins have not done enough of that in recent years.[/QUOTE]
Chad Morton is an excellent return man who is likely overpaid. He was also on IR last year, so it becomes harder to blame him. The problem with Morton right now is that we have three other return men (Thrash, Brown, and Moss) who, if not as good as him, are certainly serviceable.

We also (surprise!) had a new coordinator last year who emphasized different things in the game. We blocked kicks (yay!) and gave up returns (boo!). We also had a lot of our special teams players playing defense and offense due to injuries (which left them not-as-fresh as one would hope). We also had Ola Kimrin on our roster for the bulk of the season, and experience tells us that isn't a good thing, as he's rotten at kickoffs.

Special teams should improve next year, if only because all of the aboce won't be true next year.

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you can attribute Dante Hall's decrease last year to everyone in the league gunning for him. his breakout year, no one knew who he was...but he made sure they did by season's end. ought four, everyone knew Hall's name, and made sure he was securely covered...

I think it'll be exciting to see how Morton fits into the scheme. If you are going to pit Moss as receiver 1 or 2, you are not going to want him returning kicks all the time...i think Morton will return kickoffs with Brown/Thrash, while Brown will return punts, with Moss being the gamebreaking returner if needed.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]Chad Morton is an excellent return man who is likely overpaid. He was also on IR last year, so it becomes harder to blame him. The problem with Morton right now is that we have three other return men (Thrash, Brown, and Moss) who, if not as good as him, are certainly serviceable.

We also (surprise!) had a new coordinator last year who emphasized different things in the game. We blocked kicks (yay!) and gave up returns (boo!). We also had a lot of our special teams players playing defense and offense due to injuries (which left them not-as-fresh as one would hope). We also had Ola Kimrin on our roster for the bulk of the season, and experience tells us that isn't a good thing, as he's rotten at kickoffs.

Special teams should improve next year, if only because all of the aboce won't be true next year.[/QUOTE]

My point was that Morton was a great returner on the Jets and never did crap for the Skins. You can't just bring a great returner in here and think it makes you instantly have a great return game. it doesn't work that way. Moss will do a good job returning the kicks if the Redskins do as good a job of blocking for him as the Jets have done. That's my only point.

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We have loads of speedsters, and I'm liking the fact that McCants might be the "possession" receiver we all want and need. I MIGHT change my stance and say that if Williams is gone with our #1 pick that we MIGHT want to look at another position.

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[QUOTE=celts32]My point was that Morton was a great returner on the Jets and never did crap for the Skins. You can't just bring a great returner in here and think it makes you instantly have a great return game. it doesn't work that way. Moss will do a good job returning the kicks if the Redskins do as good a job of blocking for him as the Jets have done. That's my only point.[/QUOTE]
Thing is, Morton wasn't that bad. He had a kick return for a touchdown in 2003 and another return for over 40 yards. He averaged nearly ten yards a punt return, despite the fact that he rarely returned punts with the Jets. (Non-Special Teams side note: he also started two games at running back, ending with a 4.5 YPC, with 18.75% of his carries going for first downs). 2004 was disappointing, but 6 games with a new coaching staff before a season ending injury shouldn't be a career year for anyone.

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Most definitely. I keep forgetting he is ALSO coming back.

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Seemed like the blocking got better later in the year....Betts even had a long return, and had it been one of the speedsters, it may have gone for a TD.
Should make for a good competition in training camp! (seems so far away right now though :()

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simon can also run and return kicks, and we resigned him.

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I hate wishing time away but I'm more excited for THIS season than I was for last season.

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I love the fact that they're going to try to groom McCants into a possession receiver, I just hope he can find a way to not fumble when fighting for extra yards. His hands are pretty good and he'll be fine, I also kinda think Ramsey likes throwing to him.

That said...Moss, Patten, McCants, Jacobs and Thrash should be good enough especially if the Moss extension is going to pay him like a number 1. I say we look at DE or CB in the first round. I think we should wait till the 3rd to go TE, hopefully Matt Jones will be on the board!

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I hate wishing time away but I'm more excited for THIS season than I was for last season.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'm kinda excited about next year, the downer is I won't be in the area for most of it. I'll be in the Nolia.

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Where's Nolia? I have to make the 3-4 hour drive to DC to make most of the games. :P I HATE that drive. It is pure hell until I start seeing all the Redskins flags on cars.

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oh yeah, try dallas. its great to live in til football season. because i have to go watch the skins in texas stadium and watch us lose everytime. i actually got punched in the face once after a loss, screaming "cowgirls suck" in the halls exiting the stadium. it was hilarious, he punched me and ran like a mofo.

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That's pretty typical for Cowboy's fans.

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does any one know wats going to happen with chad morton? cause i know hes pretty fast too!!!!......but he plays running back.......u think they might try to deal him for a draft pick now that they have brown?

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I think it's one of those situations that since he DIDN'T play, he may not have value to many teams. I can see him playing some next year, getting his value up, and trading him in the offseason of next year.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]Thing is, Morton wasn't that bad. He had a kick return for a touchdown in 2003 and another return for over 40 yards. He averaged nearly ten yards a punt return, despite the fact that he rarely returned punts with the Jets. (Non-Special Teams side note: he also started two games at running back, ending with a 4.5 YPC, with 18.75% of his carries going for first downs). 2004 was disappointing, but 6 games with a new coaching staff before a season ending injury shouldn't be a career year for anyone.[/QUOTE]

Right he wasn't that bad, and if we didn't overpay him to steal him away from the jets I probably wouldn't complain about him. his production does not warretn his paycheck. The Redskins have had a lot of those guys since Danny arrived though. I think it's clear that Gibbs is working on changing that.