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New thread time.


I thought this article was interesting.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000215118/article/most-improved-for-2013-lamar-miller-tops-rising-running-backs]Most Improved for 2013: Lamar Miller tops rising running backs - NFL.com[/url]


Who will win the AFC East? I'm pretty sure it will be the Pats.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000215480/article/who-will-win-the-afc-east]Who will win the AFC East? - NFL.com[/url]

Pats will win the east but I really think Buffalo may push them more than Miami will. Jets will be bad again.

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If buffalo had a defense....

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[quote=Chico23231;1013867]If buffalo had a defense....[/quote]

And QB.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1013868]And QB.[/quote]

Manuel is gonna surprise alotttttt of people. There is a trend in the league and EJ can fit that mold. I think Marrone is going to interject a whole lotta energy in that offense. Rookie sleeper is Woods. If they put him in the slot it could cause alot of problems in that division.

Well I didn't say Buffalo was winning the division but I'm just saying they will be a surprise this year. ( I did call the colts last year) :-) . Well SF and I did. I don't believe in Miami like a lot of people are.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1013871]Well I didn't say Buffalo was winning the division but I'm just saying they will be a surprise this year. ( I did call the colts last year) :-) . Well SF and I did. [B]I don't believe in Miami like a lot of people are.[/B][/quote]

Nor do I. Miami this year reminds me of us around the year 2000. The best team that money can buy is often rich in the bank but poor on the field.

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I think Miami has to be the favorite in the AFC East. We'll see if all those free agent signings can mesh together. But I just don't see how New England is going to score like they have been in the past. Too many new wr's, no Hernandez, questionable health of Gronk...

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1013906]I think Miami has to be the favorite in the AFC East. We'll see if all those free agent signings can mesh together. But I just don't see how New England is going to score like they have been in the past. Too many new wr's, no Hernandez, questionable health of Gronk...[/QUOTE]

We've said this before and Brady always proves wrong

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[url=http://tracking.si.com/2013/06/30/brooke-hogan-engaged-phil-costa/]Brooke Hogan engaged to Dallas Cowboys center Phil Costa | SI Wire[/url]

Get ready to see shots of Hulk Hogan at Cowboys games now

Here's a little stat that some might not know.
Jared Allen averages 17 sacks per season and has been the sack leader twice . Tell me why he isn't ever mentioned as the elite pass rusher?

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1013917]Here's a little stat that some might not know.
Jared Allen averages 17 sacks per season and has been the sack leader twice . Tell me why he isn't ever mentioned as the elite pass rusher?[/QUOTE]

His avg is 13/yr from what I can see (117/9). I think he's pretty widely regarded as one of the better rushers out there.

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lots of players have named him as the best defensive player in the league at times. he's good, people know it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1013910][URL="http://tracking.si.com/2013/06/30/brooke-hogan-engaged-phil-costa/"]Brooke Hogan engaged to Dallas Cowboys center Phil*Costa | SI Wire[/URL]

Get ready to see shots of Hulk Hogan at Cowboys games now[/quote]
I can see Monday sports headline " RG111 / Redskins crush Cowboys 37-13 ", Hulk stomps Romo after embarrassing Costa during sideline tyrant !

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[url=http://www.albanyherald.com/news/2013/jun/29/branch-speaks-out-calls-embattled-former-teammate-/]Albany Herald | Branch on ‘friend’ Hernandez: ‘It was shocking’[/url]

GLIMMER OF HOPE FOR AH?

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While they have him in custody, they should......squeeze Hernandez for the location of Jimmy Hoffa......

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[url=http://www.10news.com/news/report-chargers-rb-ryan-matthews-arrested-060113]10News - Report: Chargers RB Ryan Matthews arrested - 10News.com - News[/url]


Are they trying to break of record of most arrests in a off-season?

edit: Updated. Now they are changing their story. Saying he's not arrested.


[url=http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jul/01/ryan-mathews-arrested-fight-downtown-chargers/]Police: Ryan Mathews NOT arrested | UTSanDiego.com[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1013966][url=http://www.10news.com/news/report-chargers-rb-ryan-matthews-arrested-060113]10News - Report: Chargers RB Ryan Matthews arrested - 10News.com - News[/url]


Are they trying to break of record of most arrests in a off-season?[/quote]

It said he wasn't arrested. He is not even a suspect at this time.

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[quote=donofriose;1013967]It said he wasn't arrested. He is not even a suspect at this time.[/quote]

The original story said he was arrested. They changed the title. As you can see from the headline on the link, the original story had him arrested.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1013871]Well I didn't say Buffalo was winning the division but I'm just saying they will be a surprise this year. ( I did call the colts last year) :-) . Well SF and I did. [B]I don't believe in Miami like a lot of people are[/B].[/quote]

Well Tannehill sounds like they can win...some games

[url=http://www.theonion.com/articles/ryan-tannehill-confident-dolphins-can-win-a-widera,32990/]Ryan Tannehill Confident Dolphins Can Win A Wide-Ranging Number Of Games Next Season | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1013973]Well Tannehill sounds like they can win...some games

[url=http://www.theonion.com/articles/ryan-tannehill-confident-dolphins-can-win-a-widera,32990/]Ryan Tannehill Confident Dolphins Can Win A Wide-Ranging Number Of Games Next Season | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url][/quote]

Gotta love The Onion.

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[quote=Lotus;1013974]Gotta love The Onion.[/quote]

love this "quote" from Tanny: “It may sound crazy in June, but a zero, one, two, three, four, five, six, or seven-win season isn’t out of the realm of possibility this year.”

fact they list zero...hilarious

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[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/aaron-hernandez-first-degree-murder-gun-charges--bill-belichick-robert-kraft-should-have-known-better-062613]Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft should have known better in Aaron Hernandez situation - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

Leaving bias aside, I think this article makes a good point. Everyone is quick to put down a team like the Redskins, the Bengals, or the Raiders when they sign players with questionable character; yet the Pats seem to get a pass on the Hernandez situation. Plain and simple, the Patriots f'ed up big time as an organization. Lucky for them, they won't get as much crap from the media and the public as these other organizations would.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1013985][url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/aaron-hernandez-first-degree-murder-gun-charges--bill-belichick-robert-kraft-should-have-known-better-062613]Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft should have known better in Aaron Hernandez situation - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

Leaving bias aside, I think this article makes a good point. Everyone is quick to put down a team like the Redskins, the Bengals, or the Raiders when they sign players with questionable character; yet the Pats seem to get a pass on the Hernandez situation. Plain and simple, the Patriots f'ed up big time as an organization. [B]Lucky for them, they won't get as much crap from the media and the public as these other organizations would[/B].[/quote]

They should though. They arent the "class act" organization...they have quite a history of bullsh*t over the last 10 years. karma

They owe the fans and league an explination. simple statment doesnt do it.

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In all fairness, how did they know he was going to be in this situation 4 years after drafting him? I mean Murder is a pretty hard thing to predict for someone

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Belicheat and the FO need to face the public and answer questions. None of this stonewalling. Why draft a guy with questionable character concerns and then give him a 40 million dollar extention?

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[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/dez-bryant-background-worst-had-ever-seen-ex-143532870.html"]Y! SPORTS[/URL]

The worst I had ever seen of a background is the kid Dez Bryant," Broaddus told 105.3 FM. "When you look at what he went through and then you’re talking about these players, and it’s hard for them to get away from these people in their lives because these people have been with them when they were nothing, when they were nobodies. All of a sudden you’re thinking ok, I’m going to turn my back on my three buddies here. I have to change, but they ain’t changing.
"I think if Dez Bryant was playing in St. Louis or Baltimore or Seattle, I think the fact that his family is here with him, I think that was a really hard adjustment for him. Hopefully from what we’ve seen, he’s managing that well. That’s the important thing.”

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[quote=chico23231;1013990]belicheat and the fo need to face the public and answer questions. None of this stonewalling. Why draft a guy with questionable character concerns and then give him a 40 million dollar extention?[/quote]

i do agree about the extension part though

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000212189/article/dallas-cowboys-alltime-underrated-overrated-players]Dallas Cowboys: All-time underrated, overrated players - NFL.com[/url]



Tony Romo -- QB, 2003-present
Who He Is: a player whose every mistake is the lead highlight on SportsCenter, and whose career is remembered more for a dropped snap, trip to Mexico and dating Jessica Simpson. Oh, his 7.9 yards per attempt are sixth ALL-TIME.

Why Romo is Underrated: Don't worry Romo haters, at least Romo's passer rating sucks. It's only 95.6, fifth ALL-TIME. Wait! He's not a "winner." Guessing 55-38 is a horrific record. While the Cowboys have a myriad of issues, be it offensive line, DeMarco Murray's health, or a defense that couldn't stop anyone last year, Romo was not the problem. He's been a solid citizen in Dallas and a very good player, if not great. His most famous miscue -- the dropped snap against the Seattle Seahawks -- was bad. Too bad no one ever mentions the fact that almost no starting quarterbacks in the NFL are ever asked to hold for kicks. If Romo is really as terrible as people say he is, then why don't people hate Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson or Drew Henson? Because they stunk.

Interesting Sidenote: An explanation for Romo not being a "Top 100 player" is that he isn't clutch, like an Eli Manning. Take a wild guess who the NFL's active leader in fourth quarter passer rating is ... as in, higher than Brady, Brees, and Eli? Yup, it's Romo.

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[quote=Chico23231;1013990]Belicheat and the FO need to face the public and answer questions. None of this stonewalling. Why draft a guy with questionable character concerns and then give him a 40 million dollar extention?[/quote]

Every team drafts players with character issues, Hernandez was drafted in the 4th round, so it wasn't a huge risk, there have been far worst picks than him when it comes to the draft. However, they obviously made a mistake in giving him a contract extension, I do not understand why they didn't wait till his contract was up. Then they gave Gronk an extension as well when he had medical issues. Patriots hurried to resign those players, and now they may be paying 20+ million for players that don't even take the field. If they didn't have Tom Brady Bill would be fired in 2 years.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1013988]In all fairness, how did they know he was going to be in this situation 4 years after drafting him? I mean Murder is a pretty hard thing to predict for someone[/quote]

The same thing can be said of the Vinny Cerrato-Redskins, the Bengals, the Raiders, and any other team that has drafted a guy with issues...but no one ever gave these teams the benefit of the doubt (although their dysfunctional front office did not help).

Although this case makes me think a little bit of the Colts and Marvin Harrison: [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4826851]Sources: FBI joins probe of Marvin Harrison gun case - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1013985][URL="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/aaron-hernandez-first-degree-murder-gun-charges--bill-belichick-robert-kraft-should-have-known-better-062613"]Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft should have known better in Aaron Hernandez situation - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/URL]

Leaving bias aside, I think this article makes a good point. Everyone is quick to put down a team like the Redskins, the Bengals, or the Raiders when they sign players with questionable character; yet the Pats seem to get a pass on the Hernandez situation. Plain and simple, the Patriots f'ed up big time as an organization. Lucky for them, they won't get as much crap from the media and the public as these other organizations would.[/quote]

I think NE gets a pass cause they win double digit games every single year. The Skins, Raiders and Benglas did not. That's the difference, plain and simple.

Also they drafted Hernandez in the 4th round. This wasn't a big lavish free agent spending, where Kraft is flying all over the county chasing free agents. They drafted him and he earned the raise on the field. Are they suppose to follow him around when he leaves the practice facility? I see nothing wrong with what New England did here. Nothing at all...

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[quote=Chico23231;1013990]Belicheat and the FO need to face the public and answer questions. None of this stonewalling. Why draft a guy with questionable character concerns and then give him a 40 million dollar extention?[/quote]

Again..Hernandez earned that contract with his play. He was suppose to be drafted in the 1st or 2nd round but fell because of his character. It was a good risk simply because he wasn't drafted where he was suppose to be drafted.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1013985][url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/aaron-hernandez-first-degree-murder-gun-charges--bill-belichick-robert-kraft-should-have-known-better-062613]Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft should have known better in Aaron Hernandez situation - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

Leaving bias aside, I think this article makes a good point. Everyone is quick to put down a team like the Redskins, the Bengals, or the Raiders when they sign players with questionable character; yet the Pats seem to get a pass on the Hernandez situation. Plain and simple, the Patriots f'ed up big time as an organization. Lucky for them, they won't get as much crap from the media and the public as these other organizations would.[/quote]

It's a idiotic article to say the least, and I wasn't shocked to see Whitlock's name as the author. He's curious to know what the NE security team found out about AH the past three years? Is he joking? Nobody has heard a peep about AH the past three years except for what he's done of the football field, why on earth would their security team be digging into their players lives if it isn't called for? Does their security team follow Tom Brady around? Mayo? Wilfork? SO exactly would they be with Hernandez? Because he had some trouble in college?

He's kept a very low profile and has been a hard worker for the Pats. There really is no blame on the Patriots here. The blame resides squarely on the player. Besides, it's not like they invested a high draft pick for the kid, they used a 4th round and gave him a contract for busting his ass and keeping his nose clean.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1014002]The same thing can be said of the Vinny Cerrato-Redskins, the Bengals, the Raiders, and any other team that has drafted a guy with issues...but no one ever gave these teams the benefit of the doubt (although their dysfunctional front office did not help).[/quote]

The problem with this is, those teams held onto the trouble players after they got into trouble. Also, gambling on a trouble player is one thing, gambling on several players (at one time) with trouble issues is entirely something else. It's like investing in the stock market. Your investment guy asks you what type of risk you want to go with. (low/medium/high) If you invest in a bunch of high, it's expected that you'll more often or not will fall flat on your face. (as noted by Cincinnati, Vinny,etc)

Vinny was a ****ing dumbass. He liked to gamble with a lot of high risks players. You can't risk it all on a bunch of players with issues and expect good things to happen.

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Arrest records of teams/positions/divisions since 2000.

[url=http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-arrests-charts-2013-6]NFL Arrests Charts - Business Insider[/url]

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I wonder if everyone was on board with cutting Hernandez, including the sith lord. something in my mind says no

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[quote=Chico23231;1014015]I wonder if everyone was on board with cutting Hernandez, including the sith lord. something in my mind says no[/quote]

I believe they were all on board with cutting him when he was charged with murder. I do not believe they would have cut him had he just been arrested for obstruction of justice, regardless of what they say. They claim they had decided last week to cut him. If that were the case, they wouldn't have waited until he was arrested and they got a scoop on the charges.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1014008]It's a idiotic article to say the least, and I wasn't shocked to see Whitlock's name as the author. He's curious to know what the NE security team found out about AH the past three years? Is he joking? Nobody has heard a peep about AH the past three years except for what he's done of the football field, why on earth would their security team be digging into their players lives if it isn't called for? Does their security team follow Tom Brady around? Mayo? Wilfork? SO exactly would they be with Hernandez? Because he had some trouble in college?

He's kept a very low profile and has been a hard worker for the Pats. There really is no blame on the Patriots here. The blame resides squarely on the player. Besides, it's not like they invested a high draft pick for the kid, they used a 4th round and gave him a contract for busting his ass and keeping his nose clean.[/quote]

The Pats are lauded for being good about keeping tabs on their players and being a "model" in terms of team discipline. I know people around her LOVE the Patriots, but is not like Hernandez was some genius criminal that kept everything under wraps. I am not going to go as far and say what Whitlock is saying, but like I said, because people LOVE the Pats so much, they will go through this without any criticism. Luckily for them they only lose $7 mil.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1014028]The Pats are lauded for being good about keeping tabs on their players and being a "model" in terms of team discipline. I know people around her LOVE the Patriots, but is not like Hernandez was some genius criminal that kept everything under wraps. I am not going to go as far and say what Whitlock is saying, but like I said, because people LOVE the Pats so much, they will go through this without any criticism. [B] Luckily for them they only lose $7 mil.[/B][/quote]

How much did we lose when Sean Taylor passed away? I thought the league still gave us a salary cap hit from his contract when he passed.