ESPN Unveils 2013 Jaws’ QB Countdown List
 

RG3 checks in at #13

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Horse shit. I hate when folks knock him down because of the knee injury. I am assuming Luck will be ranked ahead of him plus Wilson yet Robert won the rookie of the year award over them.

What really burns me is Wilson being ahead; honestly who would take Wilson over RGIII. If Wilson fizzles out I will not be shocked.

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Jaw can eat a dick over that ranking. Im sure after the first game against the eagles Jaws be talking about how RG3 is one of the best QB in the league.

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Theres a reason Jaws got removed from MNF, and its not just because he said shit on live TV..

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lol all of a sudden Jaws doesn't know jack about QBs

:doh:

#13 for a rookie is pretty damn good, you could probably flip a coin between RG3, Wilson, and Kaepernick

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[quote=Mattyk;1015245]lol all of a sudden Jaws doesn't know jack about QBs

:doh:

#13 for a rookie is pretty damn good, you could probably flip a coin between RG3, Wilson, and Kaepernick[/quote]

I think Dilfer is better at evaluating QBs over Jaws. My go to QB for on air is Kurt Warner. I don't agree with everything he says, but most of it. Jaws I disagree with almost everything he says. Hell even Terry Bradshaw, Marino and Boomer are better to listen to than Jaws.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1015244]Theres a reason Jaws got removed from MNF, and its not just because he said shit on live TV..[/quote]

Stick to stuff you know

I don't agree with Jaws's assessment. But a) to say he doesn't know anything about QBs is ridiculous. Because if he had RG3 top 5, for example, you'd all be like "**** Yeah!!!" b) Jaws is speaking more about where he sees them going into 2013 and he's not knocking RG3 at all, he just has some questions about his knee and how/if he and the team will need to account for that and what that will mean

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1015249]I think Dilfer is better at evaluating QBs over Jaws. My go to QB for on air is Kurt Warner. I don't agree with everything he says, but most of it. Jaws I disagree with almost everything he says. Hell even [B]Terry Bradshaw, Marino and Boomer are better to listen to than Jaws[/B].[/quote]

Ugh that says a lot if you're really listening to those guys over someone like Jaws.

Those 3 are absolute clowns and I'd bet don't break down half the film that Jaws does.

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[quote=mredskins;1015241]Horse shit. I hate when folks knock him down because of the knee injury. I am assuming Luck will be ranked ahead of him plus Wilson yet Robert won the rookie of the year award over them.

What really burns me is Wilson being ahead; honestly who would take Wilson over RGIII. If Wilson fizzles out I will not be shocked.[/quote]

I disagree about Wilson. I think he and Griffin will develop quite a nice post season rivaly over the next 10 years. Anyone who knows me knows my feelings about Luck.

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I like Jaws alot, just that ranking is off. tough to put Wilson and miami hat dude in front of RG3. Luck is way over rated.

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Don't have a problem with RGIII, Cap, Wilson, and Luck lumped together in any order. At least until RGII proves in game time that the limp is gone. If Luck is lower than 10, he's overrated IMO.

I think Sanchez is overrated at #28, should be more like #32. Stafford's overrated at #16, should be more like #21.

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I like Jaws. And he will change his tune within weeks when he sees that Griff's knee is okie-dokie.

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Jaws should remove the 1 in front of the 3 and he would only be 2 spots off from being right.

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I think Jaws is a little stuck in the 'traditional QB' model and discounts RG3 as a QB as a result. The injury can be the only reason to rank him below Wilson or Kaepernick.

13 isn't an insult but it is lower than he should have been ranked.. The bigger issue to me is that he's ranked below Matt Schaub.. The guy has trouble staying healthy and hasn't won a playoff game, right?

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Durability and the ability to play smart (protecting one's self) has to be a factor folks.

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Why bother to get this list right when there's just going to be another next year?

[QUOTE=over the mountain;1015259]Jaws should remove the 1 in front of the 3 and he would only be 2 spots off from being right.[/QUOTE]

lol ... nice!

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[quote=Paintrain;1015265]I think Jaws is a little stuck in the 'traditional QB' model and discounts RG3 as a QB as a result. The injury can be the only reason to rank him below Wilson or Kaepernick.[/quote]A lot of analysts fall into the same trap Jaws did. It's not because he's dumb or doesn't know what he's talking about. It's because football was played differently thirty years ago so there's an nostalgic aspect that more or less doesn't matter when ranking QBs.

I don't have any issue with docking Griffin a couple points for his knee injury, and 13th isn't necessarily underrating RG3, but there will be guys ranked ahead of him that are there because of how they look when playing instead of how they actually play.

It's not always a white/black thing because people have been dogging Romo/Rivers/Chad Pennington for years for not looking exactly like Manning/Brady/Elway/Marino. As if being a poor man's anyone is a desirable trait.

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Jaws was never that good a QB anyway.

Basically Griffin is being ranked behind those guys because of his knee issues. He had torn 2 Acls in his young football career so most people will label him injury prone. Kaep to me is not better than the other 3 and this yr he will.take a step back.

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Luck is an NFL insider's son. That's Oliver's boy who just threw that interception. Like father like son.

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[quote=mredskins;1015241]Horse shit. I hate when folks knock him down because of the knee injury. I am assuming Luck will be ranked ahead of him plus Wilson yet Robert won the rookie of the year award over them.

What really burns me is Wilson being ahead; honestly who would take Wilson over RGIII. If Wilson fizzles out I will not be shocked.[/quote]

Um ...did you see Wilson at the end of the year? He was playing as well as anyone.

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[quote=Chico23231;1015255]I like Jaws alot, just that ranking is off. tough to put Wilson and miami hat dude in front of RG3. Luck is way over rated.[/quote]

Luck is overrated? ok..:yeahright:

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[quote=skinsfan69;1015290]Luck is overrated? ok..:yeahright:[/quote]


Luck threw alot of picks.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1015292]Luck threw alot of picks.[/quote]



How many games did he miss last season?

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1015292]Luck threw alot of picks.[/quote]

Yeah because he was throwing it 45 times a game. The coaching staff really put a lot of the offense on Luck. Not the case with RG3 and Wilson. Actually towards the end of the year, Seattle really opened up their offense as well.

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[quote=Mattyk;1015239]RG3 checks in at #13

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What really means a lot is where would you draft Bob in a Fantasy Draft. Not what Jaws, or anyone else thinks! Opinions are like noses, everyone has one!

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RG3 is behind those guys because he was not asked to do what the others were asked to do in the passing game. That's a fair evaluation. Wilson won a playoff game and threw all over the Atl defense in their loss. Kap got his team to the SB. Luck right now is a better pocket passer than RG3. RG3 needs to show that he can read the entire field, come off to his 2nd and 3rd options and make accurate throws from the pocket. He's capable but he didn't have enough big passing days as some of the others did. I think Jaws was fair in his evaluation.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1015281]Jaws was never that good a QB anyway.[/quote]

He was an average QB...but the man knows his stuff and he sure watches a hell of a lot more film than anyone around here does.

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Regardless of the rankings, I rather have no one other than RG3 running this offense and team HTTR

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[quote=skinsfan69;1015303]RG3 is behind those guys because he was not asked to do what the others were asked to do in the passing game. That's a fair evaluation. Wilson won a playoff game and threw all over the Atl defense in their loss. Kap got his team to the SB. Luck right now is a better pocket passer than RG3. RG3 needs to show that he can read the entire field, come off to his 2nd and 3rd options and make accurate throws from the pocket. He's capable but he didn't have enough big passing days as some of the others did. I think Jaws was fair in his evaluation.[/quote]

In what way is Wilson or Luck better in terms of passing? Passes over 10 yards (where the ball travels 10+ yards) RG3 dominates them all. RG3 has a better passer rating, and statistically and by the eye test has proven to be more accurate than Luck/Wilson. Now in terms of health, they have RG3 beat, no question, but there is no way a quarterback that did not even complete 55% of his passes is more accurate than RG3. Mark Sanchez had a higher completion percentage than Luck and if I remember correctly, they both have the same amount of turnovers.
An unhealthy RG3 outperformed Luck in each of their playoff games, and RG3 played against the better defense and had no knee. Luck is just Matt Stafford but with a weaker arm, in terms of lots of yards, but also a lot of turnovers and a bad completion percentage.

Wilson and Colin have an argument, I think they both played big in big moments. Luck right now has a lot more to prove but all the ESPN folks want to be proven right with Luck so they of course overrate him.

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RG3 at 13 is too low. Wilson and Kaepernick get artificially elevated because they play with elite offensive lines. Griffin vaulted us to the playoffs in spite of our offensive line.

Wilson played real well when defenses put pressure on him, but so did RG3 and he was under pressure more often. I think both Griffin and Wilson are here to stay, but Griffin is head and shoulders better. Kaepernick will fizzle out.

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Ultimate test:

- Is Marshawn Lynch good on his own, or did Russell Wilson make him good? Look at the history, beast mode was a beast before Wilson arrived.

- Is Frank Gore good on his own, or did Kaepernick make him good? Again, look at the stats ladies and gents.

- Now, is Alfred Morris good on his own, or did RG3 make him better? Obviously he made him better. Morris does not have the elite skills that could set a franchise rushing record (over Riggins, Portis, and Stephen Davis). Griffin's multi-faceted threat made Morris at least 200 yards better than he otherwise would have been.

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Jaws thought Jason Campbell was a good QB. That's all that needs to be said. It's not that I think Jaws doesn't know QBs, he does. He's just full of shit when it comes to things like this. I would say the exact same thing if he had RGIII ranked #1.

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You're contradicting yourself.

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[quote=Schneed10;1015315]Ultimate test:

- Is Marshawn Lynch good on his own, or did Russell Wilson make him good? Look at the history, beast mode was a beast before Wilson arrived.

- Is Frank Gore good on his own, or did Kaepernick make him good? Again, look at the stats ladies and gents.

- Now, is Alfred Morris good on his own, or did RG3 make him better? Obviously he made him better. Morris does not have the elite skills that could set a franchise rushing record (over Riggins, Portis, and Stephen Davis). Griffin's multi-faceted threat made Morris at least 200 yards better than he otherwise would have been.[/quote]

Unfair, Morris has never played without Rob. It also isn't completely out of the realm of imagination that a Shanahan offense made a back seem better than his skill set would lead you to believe.

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I think RG3, Wilson, Luck, and Kaep will all dominant the league for the next decade. They're the new Mannings, Brady, Brees, etc.

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[quote=Mattyk;1015348]I think RG3, Wilson, Luck, and Kaep will all dominant the league for the next decade. They're the new Mannings, Brady, Brees, etc.[/quote]It is neat to watch "the changing of the guard" again. From Marino-Elway-Montana, to Manning-Brady, to hopefully RG3-Rodgers-whoever else stays elite.

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[quote=Mattyk;1015348]I think RG3, Wilson, Luck, and Kaep will all dominant the league for the next decade. They're the new Mannings, Brady, Brees, etc.[/quote]

Don't forget Aaron Rodgers. He has at least another 7-8 years of just dominance from the quarterback position.

Right now I wouldn't take any QB over ARod. But if u asked me that in 4 years I'd say Griffin. Tom Brady to me, as I've said many times on here is the best QB of all time and yes his numbers and wins back that up, but he's getting old and only has a few yrs left IMO. I agree with matt on those 4 mentioned.