Darrell Green does not support Redskin name change
 

Thought this post didn't really belong in any ongoing thread, since the "Notes Ch.6" thread was just closed. Just wanted to throw this out there since this misinformation by ESPN below was posted in that thread:
[QUOTE=donofriose]The nice folks at ESPN still won't let it go.
[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9502056/art-monk-darrell-green-washington-redskins-mull-change"]Art Monk, Darrell Green -- Washington Redskins should mull change[/URL] - ESPN[/QUOTE]

From the ESPN article: [U]"Washington Redskins Hall of Famers Art Monk and Darrell Green say the team should consider changing the team's nickname because it is offensive to many Native Americans."[/U]


The correction by Darrell Green:
[URL="http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/07/24/darrell-green-in-no-way-do-i-want-to-see-the-redskins-change-their-name/"]‘In No Way’ Does Darrell Green Want Redskins to Change Name[/URL]

From the CBS article: [U]""In no way I want to see the Redskins change their name,” Green told 106.7 The Fan’s Lavar and Dukes. “So that just makes that clear. And I’ll speak for Art, there’s no way he wants it, and I guarantee he didn’t say it, and I know I didn’t say it.”

Green insists he was simply trying to emphasize if someone is offended by the name, then a conversation, if nothing else, is warranted."[/U]


With the way other "journalists" picked this up and ran with it, yes this is example # 4.6 X 10(9) that "The Media" is only interested in attention, not truth.

And the name "Redskins" shouldn't be changed.

That is all.

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Sounds like DG is backtracking to me... doesn't want to piss anyone off. He should have just said no comment in the first place.

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[quote=Mattyk;1016734]Sounds like DG is backtracking to me... doesn't want to piss anyone off. He should have just said no comment in the first place.[/quote]

all DG said was that if someone is offended it merits discussion . . . he never said it should be changed . . . he then clarified saying that he does not want it changed and neither does Monk . . . and i agree . . . if someone is offended it does merit a discussion, then no name change . . . lol

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1016738]all DG said was that if someone is offended it merits discussion . . . he never said it should be changed . . . he then clarified saying that he does not want it changed and neither does Monk . . . and i agree . . . if someone is offended it does merit a discussion, then no name change . . . lol[/quote]

My guess is DG caught some flack for what he said and is now changing his tune.

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I really doubt Darrell Green or Art Monk, two Redskins greats, would support a name change. I think Green was misunderstood, and now he's just clarifying.

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I dont think ESPN misrepresented what Monk and Green said in the first interview. They both said it deserves to be discussed and considered. Monk saying "strongly considered".

The ESPN article title (at least quoted here) is an accurate summation of what they said in the first interview.

For whatever reason, certain people took "it merits a discussion" to mean they wanted the name changed.

D Green imo didnt back track at all in his second clarifying interview, he repeated what he said and then added that he doesnt want the name changed and doesnt think monk wants it changed either .... but (like he said previously) it deserves to be at least discussed.

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I really wish people would stop posting shit about the name change. I don't give a shit if it is Darrell Green. Until the NFL makes a statement, Congress makes them change it (if they can) or Dan Snyder decides to make a change, it really doesn't matter one bit. Stop beating this dead horse. It's already glue.

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All name change threads should be started in the Debating with the Enemy forum. That is a excellent black hole for them.

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[quote=over the mountain;1016747]I dont think ESPN misrepresented what Monk and Green said in the first interview. They both said it deserves to be discussed and considered. Monk saying "strongly considered".

The ESPN article title (at least quoted here) is an accurate summation of what they said in the first interview.

For whatever reason, certain people took "it merits a discussion" to mean they wanted the name changed.

D Green imo didnt back track at all in his second clarifying interview, he repeated what he said and then added that he doesnt want the name changed and doesnt think monk wants it changed either .... but (like he said previously) it deserves to be at least discussed.[/quote]

You nailed it. It's hilariously shortsighted to blame the media for this. It's an easy/lazy thing to do. But it's dead wrong.

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Oh SmootSmack, the media is to blame for everything. Did you know that:

K. Robinson's pectoral was torn due b/c he was trying to tackle a reporter for an interview?

Carriker's injury was the direct result of the excess coverage on Hernandez?

Percy Harvin's hip injury occured while waiting to be interviewed for NFL Network?

Massive coverage of the Prince George's birth caused an electrical outage at Redskins' Park?

It's all your damn fault SmootSmack. All of it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1016755]You nailed it. It's hilariously shortsighted to blame the media for this. It's an easy/lazy thing to do. But it's dead wrong.[/quote]

See how '[U][B]The Media[/B][/U]' circles the wagons?

[COLOR=White]/sarc[/COLOR]

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[quote=Mattyk;1016734][B]Sounds like DG is backtracking to me[/B]... doesn't want to piss anyone off. He should have just said no comment in the first place.[/quote]
Shows you what a few thousand death threats will do.......
-Silly Bastard

Who cares what former players think?

I am so over this whole name change "debate". I could care less what they are called. If they stay the redskins great, if not whatever. I just want to see rg3 make some sick plays. Soon.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1016755]You nailed it. It's hilariously shortsighted to blame the media for this. It's an easy/lazy thing to do. But it's dead wrong.[/quote]I disagree. I think it's possible DG is backtracking now. Or that the article was written lazily so therefore ambiguous on Green's personal opinion on the name. But I think it's more likely the ESPN writer/editor(s) wrote the story the way they did to generate more viewers and interest. ESPN in particular and "The Media" in general lost the benefit of the doubt to me, a long time ago.

Apologies to you or anybody you know at ESPN or elsewhere that's actually a conscientious journalist. Not every individual in "The Media" is bad. It's just from MSNBC (Zimmerman 911 call), Fox ("scandal" reporting), and ESPN (Tebow mania!), reporting in general these days is more sensational and less factual than the past 20 years IMO.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1016825]I disagree. I think it's possible DG is backtracking now. Or that the article was written lazily so therefore ambiguous on Green's personal opinion on the name. But I think it's more likely the ESPN writer/editor(s) wrote the story the way they did to generate more viewers and interest. ESPN in particular and "The Media" in general lost the benefit of the doubt to me, a long time ago.

Apologies to you or anybody you know at ESPN or elsewhere that's actually a conscientious journalist. Not every individual in "The Media" is bad. It's just from MSNBC (Zimmerman 911 call), Fox ("scandal" reporting), and ESPN (Tebow mania!), reporting in general these days is more sensational and less factual than the past 20 years IMO.[/quote]

I think you went into reading the article with a preconceived notion of what you were going to read that you didn't actually pay attention to what Green and Monk said, or what was written.

The ESPN article, as well as others, wrote exactly what Green and Monk said. If you have a problem with what they said that's fine. But don't come at "the media" for it.

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To be fair...the article on ESPN was accurate. The headline though said they wanted it changed. I believe it said something like "Green,Monk support name change". I know ths because I thought it odd they did that when the article was clear they didn't.

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NBC4 had that as a headline, not sure ESPN (or any of the other national outlets) did

Ive said it before n ill say it again... The cleveland "indians" have a god damn bugs bunny cartoon character as their emblem. Indians is also politically incorrect. Indians are from india. At least the redskins represent their emblem in a proud lite. Through song and image. I mean - is redskins really so bad? White black red yellow. Its a god damn skin tone.

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You guys think that Monk would really feel that way? Especially after him experiencing the best moment the HOF has ever witnessed. I refuse to believe it.

[url=http://youtu.be/Id8N8LkCuig]Art Monk Hall of Fame Induction Applause - YouTube[/url]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/halloffame08/news/story?id=3516490]Monk: 'I'll always be known as a Redskin' - NFL - ESPN[/url]

Honestly I'm with NC who give a ****? I'm so tired of hearing about a damn name change, I mean is Joe buck going to bring this shit up during games???

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1016867]Honestly I'm with NC who give a ****? I'm so tired of hearing about a damn name change, I mean is Joe buck going to bring this shit up during games???[/quote]

God I hope once we get back to football this goes away.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1016860]NBC4 had that as a headline, not sure ESPN (or any of the other national outlets) did[/quote]

I looked it up and they said indeed use the word "mull". I stand corrected. In any case I agree that it way past time for us to be done with this issue.

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I agree that this was a total backtrack by DG when he suddenly realized he put himself in the middle of a controversial issue. I dont care if they change the name or not but I have said it before and I'll say it again, its only a matter of time before the name is changed. It might be next year or in 10 years but the name will be changed.

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Unless I miss my guess, you have no insight that is extraordinary on this issue? It is complete speculation and hyperbole on your part devoid of any fact. Based on this it is my request that you never mention it again until that changes........as this issue is real tired.
........let the regular season commence.

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DG and Art Monk were at the junkies bus to Richmond tour. According to one of the junks, DG was talking to one guy for a while and the junkie and his kid decided to approach DG and ask for a picture and autograph. DG denied him and said if he did it for him he'd have to do if for everyone else (the junkie was saying though that everyone else would be the 1 other guy who was talking to Daryl Green when he approached him.) meanwhile art monk was signing autographs left and right. The junkie later said that DG said he had some signed football cards and to do a little trivia to win the cards. He said Daryl would keep asking questions and as soon as someone would get it right, DG would do a follow up question and another until you got it wrong.

Personally, I've met DG before and he came off to me as a nice guy ( for the record, I didn't ask for an autograph and we got seated at the same table so we kind of we're forced to talk). But there's a line between being an athlete who doesn't want to sign autographs at all and an athlete who is tired of signing so many autographs when they're just trying to do daily activities like running to the store or going out with the family to eat.

All I would say to DG is you were once a kid who looked up to athletes and hoped for their autograph. Don't be that former athlete who turns down kids and people when your not busy or when it's just one person who recognizes you.

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There were so many tribes of Native American Indians it is only possible to generalise the most common meanings of the colors and patterns of War Paint, Body Paint or Face Paint.
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Red Color Symbolizes war, blood, strength, energy, power and success in war paint but might also symbolise happiness and beauty in face paint

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Black was perceived as a "living" color and worn on the face to prepare for war. Very aggressive color. Black meant strength. It might also indicated that the wearer was a powerful warrior who had proved himself in battle. Black was also used to symbolize victory and might be applied before returning home to the camp

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White Color Symbolizes mourning. White was also the color of peace when it was used as face paint.

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Blue Color Symbolizes wisdom, confidence

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Yellow Color Symbolizes the color of death. Yellow also indicated that the wearer was heroic, had led a good life and was willing to fight to the death. It also symbolised intellect

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Green Color Symbolizes endurance. Green is associated with harmony and is a great healing power and believed to improve vision

Not sure if it was bought up or posted anywhere else, but what were all your all's thoughts on the email from Snyder about the name change?


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I posted this on the Dallas thread, but this is more appropriate.


Personal letter from Dan Snyder addressing the team name:

[url]http://files.redskins.com/pdf/A-Letter-from-Dan-Snyder.pdf[/url]



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Something tells me he charged this kid $20 for his autograph. :laughing-

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[quote=NC_Skins;1031593]I posted this on the Dallas thread, but this is more appropriate.


Personal letter from Dan Snyder addressing the team name:

[url]http://files.redskins.com/pdf/A-Letter-from-Dan-Snyder.pdf[/url]



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Something tells me he charged this kid $20 for his autograph. :laughing-[/quote]I wish Snyder had never bought the team, but very cool pic and letter.

Darrell Green does not support Redskin name change
 

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1031593]I posted this on the Dallas thread, but this is more appropriate.


Personal letter from Dan Snyder addressing the team name:

[url]http://files.redskins.com/pdf/A-Letter-from-Dan-Snyder.pdf[/url]



[IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1263010_10151999190169574_859767527_o.png[/IMG]

Something tells me he charged this kid $20 for his autograph. :laughing-[/QUOTE]

Yeah but whats worse he charged him ten to watch him practice the autograph first.
Edit: very cool letter
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Yes the letter is awesome, and honestly it is how I thought he felt all along. Deeply connected to the team and the name, and a source of fond childhood memories between him and his father. He loves this team and all the guy wants to do is win. I may not have agreed with his first ten years but his current hands off approach is working or at least trying to work, and with this issue being a center of attention, having him as the owner means we will never have to worry about the change.

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I have never been prouder of Dan than I am right now.....
He knocked that one out!
Maybe he even wrote it......

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Dan is a TRUE Redskins fan that grew up during the era of George Allen, Jack Pardee, Joe Gibbs and others. He understands winning and losing, knows what being a true Redskins fan (never giving up whether winning or losing) he knows the teams history and tradition, the rivalries, the anthem, the band. I and I'm sure most of you feel like he does, the name change would be like taking the soul from the team. Think about it, no more Redskins vs. Cowboys, no more HTTR fight song, etc.. Ask yourself as a Redskins fan, is that what you really want? Thank you Dan and I hope that you don't cave in to the PC douchebags.

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[URL="http://www.theonion.com/articles/washington-redskins-change-their-name-to-the-dc-re,34161/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default&recirc=tough-season"]The Name change IS coming![/URL]

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[quote=TheGuyFromOverThere;1031635][URL="http://www.theonion.com/articles/washington-redskins-change-their-name-to-the-dc-re,34161/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default&recirc=tough-season"]The Name change IS coming![/URL][/quote]LOL, we really ought to start calling ourselves the Maryland Redskins. Why would we want to be associated with the clowns up in the federal government, the dc city council, marion barry, etc.

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Why do we keep shutting down and starting various name change threads?

Mods, with all due respect this is and will continue to be an ongoing topic and at times annoying topic, but can we chill with the stop start business and let one roll on for however long it takes? It's important.

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By the way, I LOVED Snyder's letter to the fans and felt that he finally struck the right sentiment.

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[quote=12thMan;1031693]Why do we keep shutting down and starting various name change threads?

Mods, with all due respect this is and will continue to be an ongoing topic and at times annoying topic, but can we chill with the stop start business and let one roll on for however long it takes? It's important.[/quote]

We stopped one, because a) it was already several pages long b) it was taking a stupid/dangerous turn c) there was no new news.

Dan Snyder's letter is new news so it should have been started as a new thread, in my opinion, instead of bumping this one. But it's fine here. Better than in the Dallas Week thread.

But I don't know what you mean about shutting down and starting various name change threads.

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What about changing the name to the Dragons? A dragon would be a badass mascot. Also, the branding and merch could include some really cool logos. Also we could keep the b&g color scheme.

In folklore from around the world, dragons bring prosperity to places where they are reverenced. They also are ferocious when crossed. If we MUST change, it sounds like a great mascot to me.

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Maybe we could be the Bullets? It's available.....