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Come, where are my true Redskin Fans, Who think we've would have been better of with that Loud mouth Kellen Winslow Jr., I mean he come in camp late, at the Draft states that he will show the Redskins and the Lions for Passing on him, that they made a mistake, and then he breaks his leg....one way to keep him quiet, let me tell all you guys something, Sean Taylor, will be so good in the league, until he will be a perfect combination of Ronnie Lott, and Ed Reed, he will be a monster on the Field, so if you really wanted Winslow, then there's room at the Dog Pound for ya, holla back skin fans...:biggthump

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KWII SUCKS. HE IS Total Bullshit Sean Is The Man. Forget About Kwii, Cooley Would Kick His Ass. Especially In Our Team First Mentality, Cooley Is A Team Player, Not A Me First Like Kwii.

Taylor For President!

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We definitely got the better end of the deal on this one. Sean Taylor did a great job as a rookie and will only get better. Cooley also did a great job and has become one of our offensive go to guys. Look to see them both be even better this season. KWII is just the type of person we don't need in a Skins uniform. I'm sure the Browns are glad they have him!!!

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Hes 40-0 in wrestling at high school

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I was one fan who honestly would have been happy with either one. Taylor is going to be a huge impact player throughout his stay in DC, but just because Winslow 2 is a loud mouth immature punk right now, doesn't mean I wouldn't take him on the team if we had the oppurtunity. If he was a bit more mature, we wouldn't even be having this bashing of winslow because the guy has enormous god given talent especially for a TE. And u cannot compare cooley to winslow because they play 2 different positions(cooley=h-back/FB & winslow=TE/or even in the slot at WR) and I know I for one believe if we'd had both of those guys in our offense last year, things might have gone a bit differently. It definitely would have opened up some more possiblities of the WRs getting downfield. So enough with this winslow sucks crap until we actually see him play a full season to see if he was overhyped like his fellow cane shockey.

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that right, skinfan, until we see him play a full season, so until that happens, then we don't know, all I know is that he had the outburst at the U, where he claimed to be a soilder, hired the posten brothers, to be his agent, where there known, to give teams problems, and stated that he will be greater than his dad......so I'll blast him all i want until he becomes the pro bowler he claims to be.........

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Our defense was amazing and that was credit to our backfield and w/o taylor we were just not as good. In the Green Bay game it felt like we were giving up way to many big plays. We need him and he is big for the team. With that said we also needed more on the offensive end and KW would be an upgrade. We will never know how our team would be different but i like THIS offseason because it lost allittle on D and gained allittle on offense what we needed. That is in relation to the Taylor/ Wislow question, again not like we would ever know but would we be better overall if we had wislow someone who could be a force and be on the line. If we could trade would we most of us would say no because KW isn't proven in the NFL yet but it is to the question how much on D can we give up to still be good and how much would we gain on offense to be good ENOUGH

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Guys - Let's not bash Winslow too bad. He had a bad break (no pun intended) as far as injuries go. He's a special player and he IS better than Chris Cooley. Especially at the Hback position. Now, would I rather have Taylor and Cooley over Winslow and Sean Jones (safety browns got in the 3rd), absolutely. I love Taylor and I'd rather have him than Winslow, but Winslow is a playmaker and a great TE in this league.

Why do you guys like some loudmouths but hate others? Portis, Smoot, LaVar, all loud mouthed and annoying, yet you love them. How about Mr. Holdout Patrick Ramsey. Don't see anyone ripping him about it. What about Ray Lewis who never shuts up, most of you get on your knees and praise him as if he's a demi-god instead of the aging overrated LB he is. In his prime he was great, but no longer!

KWII is going to be a great player in this league assuming his injury didn't cripple him!

KWII didn't get arrested for DUI, KWII didn't play agent roulette, KWII didn't get a deal then complain about it, and KWII missed the rookie synopsis.

I'd still rather have Taylor, but KWII certainly isn't a BAD player.

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KW hasn't proven anything yet except he can take a big hit (remember when he got clocked in that preseason game!).

I think he's going to be a great pro, but he hasn't done jack just yet.

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What happens when we sign Heath Miller? Sorry. I had to throw a wrench in the gears. :oink:

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Daseal, first of all Ray Lewis is not overrated that's stuid to say, second of all there's a difference when you have proven yourself in the league, and a qutoe "loud mouth, to someone who just got to the league, and bumping the gums about what there going to do....nutt ride KWII all you want but, you never know how his injury is going to affect him.....Taylor bottom line is and was the way to go......

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on last years draft day i would have been happy with either one but it's easy to say now who i'd rather have. winslow is probably going to be a very good te in the nfl but i'm glad the skins got taylor, he is a monster and only going to get better.



p.s. i can't stand ray lewis and yes, he is overrated.

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Ray Lewis is not overratted, that sounds like a little jealousy

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he's the 2nd most overrated player. the 1st being m.vick. and what in the hell does jealousy have to do with anything. please don't make retarded accusations.

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now, now folks keep it calm...

I like Taylor over Winslow because he brings a level of toughness in our secondary that wasn't there before. Wideouts are scared to catch the ball deep in his area because they know shawns gonna lay the wood on them. I know we all remember that play 2 years age when stephen davis punched in that td on us. It was the 1st year he was on the panthers, it was like he spit on the redskins organization as a whole... no one on that defense could stop him on that play (with the help of the refs).

I can safely tell you now that things like that won't happen any more to this team. did you see, I think it was the philly game, when a wide out was in the open field about to score a td and taylor layed his ass out on the 1, he wasn't able to get in. that to me was great because it made the statement that no matter who you are, its going to be hard to score on the skins we are noones bitch. offense wins games defenses win championships.

They'll be another great tight end, but not many people show that kind of heart and intensity that taylor shows on that field. How many players can you say actualy bitched TO of all people, I can name 1, number 36 of the burgundy and gold thats who! it great to have a badd guy on our team like harrison of the patriots and lynch of the broncos, players like that make the offensive players think twice about trying to move that rock.

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For those of you who are kicking KW II around for hiring the Poston brothers, please remember that the current agent-of-record for Sean Taylor is Drew Rosenhaus. If anyone thinks he's a pushover or that he will cut Dannt Boy even a bit of slack in a negotiation, please remember that he is also Clinton Portis' agent...

Both Winslow and Taylor have tremendous physical skills. Neither is a mental giant.

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i'd say champ is one of the most over rated players myself (not to mention overpaid... vick gets an extra 20-25k people to show up, so he's worth his contract)...

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i'm not saying he's overrated because of his pay, i'm talking about his play. he is good but some folks act like vick is the greatest qb in the world.




and i agree with you about champ.

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Also, I think that when people bash some people and not others, it seems to be the degree of "what an asshole" they are. In the end, it seems like we're willing to forgive assholes that are A) on our team or B) have do nothing to hurt our team. Winslow will be a pretty good TE in the future. I don't like him for his comments he made at the U, but everyone does stupid things, you know, like spitting on other team's players?

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wolfeskin.......would you be talking about us black folks, i mean how dare we glot over m. vick and ray lewis, and all the other colored folks out there playing sports....I so sorri suh....didn't mean to affend ya...........go to hell wolfeskin.....there no other qb in league, that brings money to there home stadium like Mike Vick, and name me how many lb that play for the redskins that been to more pro bowls, than Ray Lewis.....back of redneck

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No doubt Vick brings money to his home stadium, but he is not the Jesus equivalent to football. We had a huge discussion about how he has a LOOONG way to go to be the player that he should be.

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is he better than Ramsey...

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you need to chill wewhite :P

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yo daseal u are rite about everything u ssaid except for ray lewis being overrated now i knno hes not a skin nd i shouldnt back hhim up but HAVE U SEEN HIM PLAY???????......the game that will never leave my mind is wen he was vs tenesee 2 seasons ago in the afc wildcard nd i was wathing ray ray nd dis man was in on everyplay.......EVERYPLAY!!!!!!!........there was a thing early on in the year on nfl network where they ask whos more overrated.....brian urlacher, ray lewis , lavar arrington.....according to lincoln kennedy da fat bastard lavar is overrated....

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i don't know what your smoking daseal but as far as ray lewis being overrated, you don't get selected defensive mvp twice if your ovverated. and as far as lavar being a loudmouth, he can be a loudmouth all he wants cuz he backs it up with his play. 3 pro bowl selections in five seasons is damn good, and he deserves the contract he got. i couldn't care less about kw, because he plays for the browns and sean taylor plays for the skins. sometimes players make bad decisions, okay. im sure if you were a player, you wouldn't be perfect, having one agent all the time and having a little fun, but still he shouldn't have gotten dui, thats irresponsible. you have obviously forgotten what impact these guys have on their respective teams. im sure if we traded lavar half the people on team would be saying, what the hell were they doing. he is a vocational leader, and teams need that type of player. plus, you obviously don't care about stats. look at lavar's stats. are you saying that's ovverated. ray lewis isn't overrated, and if lincoln kennedy says lavar is overrated, i say that jug of jello is overated (im talking about lincoln kennedy).

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To be perfectly honest, Ramsey is a better QB than Vick (There are a LOT of better QBs in that sense of the word). I know people are like "OH MY GOD, HE DIDN'T JUST SAY THAT!" The Michael Vick that is playing right now, is a running back playing quarterback. I'm not saying that he doesn't win games and that he is not an exciting player to watch, but teams have started figuring him out. When you're one-dimensional that can only get you so far. Granted, if he ever develops a pocket presence he will be a force to be reckoned with. Without the GREAT supporting cast that he has, teams could just plan on stopping his running and that would be that. He has been in the league for enough years to start learning how to throw and it doesn't seem like he has yet.

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Mooby, just to correct you though. He didn't get a DUI. He was found innocent. :)

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oh yeah i forgot. and as far as some people say michael vick is the greatest, remember the nfc championship game last season. yeah, 24 rushing yards is something to be proud about, but come on, he needs to develop his arm before people start saying he's a great quarterback. quarterbacks throw the football people, not run 3 out of 4 plays. michael vick would be a great running back, simply because of the way he runs.

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I don't know. Being at QB makes him more of a threat because there's no guarantee whether he will run or pass. But I definitely agree, 24 rushing yards... not too great for him. Even though QBs shouldn't really be asked to be the leading rusher.

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I will give it to him on the fact that he was one of the top "rushers" in the league.

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exactly. and on another note, does anyone know about marcus vick. that guy is supposed to be better than michael vick. he plays for virginia tech right now, but he'll be in the league in a few years, and the critics say he can run the ball just as good as michael, but he is a better passer.

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I see him around town every now and then when I'm out. He's a ROYAL prick. Better than Michael? HA! No way, not even close. He's the Wal-Mart version of Michael.

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I wanted Taylor because I felt he could have more of an immediate impact. I thought with Portis, Coles, Gardner, McCants, Morton, Jacobs, Thrash there's just no room on that offense for KW II, and with those players our offense would be so potent anyway...guess I was wrong about the offense being potent.

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the critics said that when he did play before being suspended or something like that by vt, he had a better arm and he could run the ball just as well. royal prick, im not sure how he developed that nickname, but the way he acts in public might not translate into the way he plays on the field.

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Oh I know... When I go visit my gf in Blacksburg, we see him out a lot. NOT a cool guy. I know that doesn't translate onto the field but still, he's not even close to Michael.

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He also has no business being able to come back to play.

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why not. what did he do to get suspended?

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[QUOTE=wewhite3]wolfeskin.......would you be talking about us black folks, i mean how dare we glot over m. vick and ray lewis, and all the other colored folks out there playing sports....I so sorri suh....didn't mean to affend ya...........go to hell wolfeskin.....there no other qb in league, that brings money to there home stadium like Mike Vick, and name me how many lb that play for the redskins that been to more pro bowls, than Ray Lewis.....back of redneck[/QUOTE]

what's that all about? When did wolfeskin say anything remotely racist?

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I dunno. I just tried to let it die.

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he didn't say anything racist. wewhite thinks that he's being racist because he said ray lewis and michael vick are overrated. who cares how many black folks play football. that makes it sound like wewhite thinks that black people are better at sports than white people. sure mick vick brings more people to atlanta's stadium, but still, if he was so great, than why did philly's defense limit him to ten points and 24 rushing yards, hardly something you'd expect from michael vick.