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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/08/04/redskins-training-camp-positives-and-negatives-so-far/]Redskins training camp: Positives and negatives so far[/url]

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Robert Griffin III (knee) continues to progress according to plan. He’s sustained no setbacks whatsoever after gradually increasing his reps each day and moving from 7-on-7 to 11-on-11. He’s not expected to play in any preseason games, but it will be a surprise if he’s not under center when the Redskins face the Eagles in Week 1. … Roy Helu is finally healthy after dealing with heel and toe issues for the better part of two years. Predictably, he’s running circles around Evan Royster and is on track to handle third-down duties and be Alfred Morris’ backup. … Fred Davis is reportedly looking explosive and speedy just nine months after his Achilles’ rupture. He should be creeping up draft boards. … Speaking of health, Pierre Garcon (toe, shoulder) has been able to sustain it so far. If he continues to feel good, he’ll far exceed his fifth-round ADP. … Garcon’s backup, Aldrick Robinson, has been one of camp’s standouts. Leonard Hankerson is scuffling

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I'd think its a little premature to think Wilson could be a cut, way too many questions in the secondary and we havent even played the first preseason game. CB and Safety positions will be something to watch closely. My biggest concern right now is Merrieweather's knee, is he still being held out of practice?

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I mean its going to be risky because josh Wilson is a starter for us and knows NFCE starting WRs better than Crawford, Amerson and Minnifield. But his potential is capped, IMO. We've seen what Josh can do. We have no clue what Minnifield Amerson or Crawford can do as starters. Injury wise, any of these guys can get injured at any moment, but Chase Minnifield is a much bigger question mark than the other guys since he's had more than one torn ACL and the feared 'micro fracture surgery' so he is probably more likely to be hurt than the other guys. That's basically what it comes down to, is do you want to keep a starter who counts a good sum of money to our cap, is already a known against NFC East WRs, stays healthy, and will be gone next year OR do you want the unknown who has looked really good in practice this month, has major injury problems, hasn't played against any NFL competition outside of practice and is younger with more potential than Wilson right now in their respective careers?

Should get real interesting in a few weeks

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Washington-Redskins-Morning-Clips-85/79a419a5-bc06-4ece-a41a-edde707e058c]Washington Redskins Morning Clips: 8/5[/url]

PRETTY COOL

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Rambo will start at FS Week 1...great to see him taking over that spot so early.

Amerson is getting a ton of 1st-team reps also, but that could be due to Hall's absence. I think he'll lock up the nickel spot and that's probably the best spot for him until he gets over his tendency to look into the backfield and get torched deep. If he's in a position where it's an obvious passing down, he can attack the ball and get a dozen INTs in a season like he's done in the past. Yeah, that's being WAY too optimistic at the pro level but he can be a turnover machine if used right...as can Rambo.


I'm calling it now, we lead the NFL in takeaways this year. With 'Rak and Kerrigan back together and this ball-hawking secondary, we're going to be a nightmare.




My call for secondary Week 1 starters:

CB - Wilson and Hall
Nickel - Amerson

SS - Meriweather, Thomas if not healthy and WHEN Brandon goes down for season
FS - Rambo


[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/08/03/meriweather-hopes-to-get-some-work-monday-in-full-team-drills/]Meriweather hopes to get some work Monday in full team drills[/url]

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I just think we are going to be really good again this season but even better than last yr. It's amazing to think the Redskins will be contenders for years to come after all that we have been through.

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Agree on the assessment of Wilson - we know what he can do. At the same time, he is a quality NFL player who can hold down a starting CB position in the league. With decent safety help, I think he is "good enough" and shouldn't be cut just to make room for other question marks. If he is cut, he will be off the waiver wire in a heartbeat.

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[quote=Chico23231;1017665]I'd think its a little premature to think Wilson could be a cut, way too many questions in the secondary and we havent even played the first preseason game. CB and Safety positions will be something to watch closely. My biggest concern right now is Merrieweather's knee, is he still being held out of practice?[/quote]

Meriweather is being held out of a lot of practice because of recurring swelling.

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/redskins-put-brakes-meriweathers-return]Redskins put brakes on Meriweather's return | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

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One guy in the secondary Im not sold on is Biggers. I dont see an advantage of cutting Wilson and leaning on Biggers to play on a high level in the slot while we bring along a rookie on the outside.

Another question IF Wilson would be cut, is Amerson more NFL ready than Crawford and Minnefield? I dont think he is.

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If we're talking experience, Crawford wins that battle. If on potential, Amerson.


We'd be stupid to cut Wilson. He's been our best CB the past few years. Sure, we should look for better than him but until we know what Amerson can do, we don't have it on this roster yet.

We don't even know if Biggers and Minnifield can even stay healthy yet.

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Cutting Wilson will not happen. It's crazy to think that it could.

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I think Wilson was pretty bad last year overall. But it's much cooler to say D. Hall sucked.

I also wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he's cut. But like I said before, I thought it would have happened already

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I would carry 6 CB, want Crawford and Minnifield on the roster. If Chase stays healthy he could be the CB on the team in a year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1017688]I think Wilson was pretty bad last year overall. But it's much cooler to say D. Hall sucked.

I also wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he's cut. But like I said before, I thought it would have happened already[/quote]


Said the same thing all year last season, Wilson was terrible for most of the yr.

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When you have 2 bad CBs people like to pick on the worst CB of the week which tended to be DHall but Josh just wasn't that good. People were saying "he's our best CB.." Well the best way to say it is "sh!t is sh!t no matter how bad it smells or looks." All our secondary was god awful last year, people were just trying to find the bright spots or occasional signs of hope.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1017688]I think Wilson was pretty bad last year overall. But it's much cooler to say D. Hall sucked.

I also wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he's cut. But like I said before, I thought it would have happened already[/quote]

I thought Wilson was inconsistent - as was DHall. How much of that was due to bad, just bad, safety play, I don't really know. I think Wilson needs good safety support and, with it, he is a solid No.2 CB. Nothing more, nothing less. Without it, he really has neither the skills nor the physique to work in isolation.

Cutting Wilson creates a hole in the roster which, before this year, they really couldn't replace. This may be the year they think that they have guys who can provide what he does but with better upside.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1017693]I thought Wilson was inconsistent - as was DHall. How much of that was due to bad, just bad, safety play, I don't really know. I think Wilson needs good safety support and, with it, he is a solid No.2 CB. Nothing more, nothing less. Without it, he really has neither the skills nor the physique to work in isolation.

Cutting Wilson creates a hole in the roster which, before this year, they really couldn't replace. This may be the year they think that they have guys who can provide what he does but with better upside.[/quote]

I am not going to excuse the bad secondary last year, but it also doesn't help the back end of the defense when the QB has 8 seconds to throw.

With our new additions and te return of our pass rushing OLBs we will be much better this year.

What ever the staff decides to do with the CB position an safety position is good with me. I don't know see enough of what these guys are doing to make any decisions about the roster.

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If Merriweather's injury problems continue I could defiantly see T. Jackson coming back and place Merriweather on IR or cut.

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[quote=Jayroc24;1017697]If Merriweather's injury problems continue I could defiantly see T. Jackson coming back and place Merriweather on IR or cut.[/quote]

Jackson is FS and Merriweather is SS, I think Doughty will take over the spot if Merriweather isn't able to play unless Thomas can speed up his learning process.

I don't see Redskins cutting Wilson because we don't know what we will get from our young CBs yet. But I'm glad to see Rambo locking down on #1 spot already, he must have had some good practices.

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If T Jax comes back and Merriweather has a hiccup with that knee, I could see them sliding T Jax to SS and playing Rambo at free.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp13/story/_/id/9540286/robert-griffin-iii-washington-redskins-ready-full-team-drills]Robert Griffin III of Washington Redskins ready for full-team drills - ESPN[/url]

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Wilson is not a lock down corner, he will need safety help, especially when there's not much of a pass rush to disrupt the passer. He had neither supporting him last year. If you don't have the right pieces on defense to support him he'll be exposed. The year before last he was OK, he didn't just suddenly get worse.

He is a serviceable starting CB. I hope Amerson overtakes either him or Hall, because that would be a sign that the rookie is for real, but still cutting Wilson now would be a serious blow to our secondary depth.

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Based on reports so far it sounds like Amerson winning a starting job isn't that crazy of an idea. Let's hope it happens, Wilson has been pretty ho-hum as a starter for us.

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[quote=Chico23231;1017705]If T Jax comes back and Merriweather has a hiccup with that knee, I could see them sliding T Jax to SS and playing Rambo at free.[/quote]

Maybe few games later - Jackson haven't play football for a while. I would be shocked if Jackson becomes starter immediately after coming back.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1017692]When you have 2 bad CBs people like to pick on the worst CB of the week which tended to be DHall but Josh just wasn't that good. People were saying "he's our best CB.." Well the best way to say it is "sh!t is sh!t no matter how bad it smells or looks." All our secondary was god awful last year, people were just trying to find the bright spots or occasional signs of hope.[/quote]

To bad D Hall wasn't the worse, or that statement would of made sense.

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[url]http://trainingcamp.blogs.timesdispatch.com/files/2013/08/depthchart85.jpg[/url]

First depth chart of the season

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I don't see Wilson being cut prior to the season but I can see him as a backup by October. Reports on Amerson is that he's looking good, making some typical rookie mistakes but isn't too far away from making a run at a starting gig. Biggers was brought in to be a nickel back and has had some success in the past in that role. Wilson could soon be a 4th corner/special teamer.

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Moving the Chains is at Skins camp today 3-6 on NFL Radio

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[quote=Chico23231;1017721][url]http://trainingcamp.blogs.timesdispatch.com/files/2013/08/depthchart85.jpg[/url]

First depth chart of the season[/quote]

unofficial, which means meaningless... more or less.

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[quote=That Guy;1017727]unofficial, which means meaningless... more or less.[/quote]

Unless you're Mike Florio. Anyone catch his total goof on saying Moss was on the bubble? He quickly edited it and then blamed the team for releasing a depth chart. :doh:

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/03/santana-moss-could-be-fighting-for-a-roster-spot/]Santana Moss listed as third-string on depth chart | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;1017728]Unless you're Mike Florio. Anyone catch his total goof on saying Moss was on the bubble? He quickly edited it and then blamed the team for releasing a depth chart. :doh:

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/03/santana-moss-could-be-fighting-for-a-roster-spot/]Santana Moss listed as third-string on depth chart | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

It's the damn media. They can't get anything straight. Did you hear me SS? IT'S THE MEDIA!!!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1017729]It's the damn media. They can't get anything straight. Did you hear me SS? IT'S THE MEDIA!!![/quote]

Calling Florio "The Media" might be an insult to "The Media." :)

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^^ I dunno. He and SmootSmack are about equally reliable.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1017733]^^ I dunno. He and SmootSmack are about equally reliable.[/quote]

You never see us in the same room...I'm just saying

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I knew it!!!

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So this rookie Rambo really must be turning heads as he's already cracked the starting line up. That's really good to see. Can't wait to see some of these youngs guys Thurs night.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1017693]I thought Wilson was inconsistent - as was DHall. How much of that was due to bad, just bad, safety play, I don't really know. I think Wilson needs good safety support and, with it, he is a solid No.2 CB. Nothing more, nothing less. Without it, he really has neither the skills nor the physique to work in isolation.

Cutting Wilson creates a hole in the roster which, before this year, they really couldn't replace. This may be the year they think that they have guys who can provide what he does but with better upside.[/quote]

I'm not really sure what they ever saw in Wilson to begin with. Does the guy ever play the ball? He constantly face guards and never ever looks back at the ball. He has 0 ball skills. But he still needs to be on the team. There will be growing pains with so many young guys in the secondary.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1017734]You never see us in the same room...I'm just saying[/quote]

Much like Batman and Bruce Wayne...

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[quote=mbedner3420;1017740]Much like Batman and Bruce Wayne...[/quote]

LOL :laughing2