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Seriously though, It appears that most of the media will stop using the term "Redskins" when discussing the team. With the protest this weekend at the Green Bay game, do you think Dan will break and actually change the name? And here is a Question if we do change the name will you still be fans of the franchise? Think about it, forever we have known this team as the Washington Redskins , heck I even have the "R" tatted on my arm. So if they do change the name that would mean an obvious logo change as well right? I think that would be hard to do is root for a "new" team basically. Idk am I thinking too much into it?

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I don't think the name changes unless some sort of legal action is taken to force it to be changed. I think Dan has been in hot water with the fans enough and notices most of the fanbase likes the name the way it is.

I'll always be fans of the franchise, Redskins or not. It's the same team just a different name. The Wizards will always be remembered as the Bullets. Although they did start sucking really bad after the name change...... :Smoker:

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While Dan Snyder owns the team, the name isn't changing. And even if the name does change when Snyder's gone, the logo won't have to change. If the name change actually happens, though, I'll continue to root for them; and I'll continue to call them the Redskins, even if I'm the last one on Earth to do so. This is a big load of b*******.

By the way, I thought there was sort of an unspoken rule that once we had football again, no one would approach the topic of name change. Ahhhh, well; if I didn't want to read about I just had to leave the thread unopened.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1024942]I don't think the name changes unless some sort of legal action is taken to force it to be changed. I think Dan has been in hot water with the fans enough and notices most of the fanbase likes the name the way it is.

I'll always be fans of the franchise, Redskins or not. It's the same team just a different name. The Wizards will always be remembered as the Bullets. Although they did start sucking really bad after the name change...... :Smoker:[/quote]

I agree. I think that the heat has to be much hotter before Snyder changes the name.

I also will remain a loyal fan regardless of the mascot.

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[quote=SirLK26;1024943]While Dan Snyder owns the team, the name isn't changing. And even if the name does change when Snyder's gone, the logo won't have to change. If the name change actually happens, though, I'll continue to root for them; and I'll continue to call them the Redskins, even if I'm the last one on Earth to do so. This is a big load of b*******.

[B]By the way, I thought there was sort of an unspoken rule that once we had football again, no one would approach the topic of name change. [/B]Ahhhh, well; if I didn't want to read about I just had to leave the thread unopened.[/quote]

Tell your unspoken rule to the Oneida Nation. They waited for the season to start to launch the most vigorous protest yet against the name. Thus it remains a topic, in-season or not.

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[quote=Lotus;1024953]Tell your unspoken rule to the Oneida Nation. They waited for the season to start to launch the most vigorous protest yet against the name. Thus it remains a topic, in-season or not.[/quote]

Oneida Nation realized a few years back that every time someone does a story on them complaining about the name, they get their casino in NY mentioned. Advertising for pennies on the dollar.

I still wish the media would address the Indian Reservations where the Indians themselves have named their High School mascot the Redskins.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the team doesn't start to change a lot of it's branding towards "Washington Football" in the short term, while leaving the name for the time being. A lot of the same imaging and theme, but placing the emphasis back on the team name "Washington" rather than the nickname "Redskins".

The problem with the name change argument is the same as all other highly politicized arguments: one side wants you to believe that hardly anyone at all is offended, and the other wants you to believe that the people who are offended are being offended in a life-changing way. Reality of course lies in the middle, but pretty much no one is there to cover the reality.

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[quote=Skinzman;1024954]Oneida Nation realized a few years back that every time someone does a story on them complaining about the name, they get their casino in NY mentioned. Advertising for pennies on the dollar.

[B]I still wish the media would address the Indian Reservations where the Indians themselves have named their High School mascot the Redskins.[/B][/quote]

That's interesting. Who did that?

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[quote=SirLK26;1024943]And even if the name does change when Snyder's gone, [B]the logo won't have to change. [/B][/quote]I can't see them changing the name without changing the logo. It's not like the Braves and Indians don't also have protesters and people calling for them to rebrand, and if we are forced to change they will surely be next.

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[quote=Lotus;1024957]That's interesting. Who did that?[/quote]

I know of two of them.

Red Mesa High School which is on a Navajo Indian Reservation in Arizona. And Wellpinit High School which is on a Spokan Indian Reservation in Washington. Both of them chose Redskins as their mascot, and they were both named by the Indians of the Reservation.

Another thing about the name. When are people going to ask for the State of Oklahoma to change its name? It is a Choctaw Indian word that means "People with Red Skin" or some translate it as "Red People".

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[quote=Skinzman;1024961]I know of two of them.

Red Mesa High School which is on a Navajo Indian Reservation in Arizona. And Wellpinit High School which is on a Spokan Indian Reservation in Washington. Both of them chose Redskins as their mascot, and they were both named by the Indians of the Reservation.

Another thing about the name. When are people going to ask for the State of Oklahoma to change its name? It is a Choctaw Indian word that means "People with Red Skin" or some translate it as "Red People".[/quote]



[url=http://www.rmusd.net/education/school/school.php?sectiondetailid=75]Red Mesa High School - Home[/url]

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[quote=Skinzman;1024961]I know of two of them.

Red Mesa High School which is on a Navajo Indian Reservation in Arizona. And Wellpinit High School which is on a Spokan Indian Reservation in Washington. Both of them chose Redskins as their mascot, and they were both named by the Indians of the Reservation.

Another thing about the name. When are people going to ask for the State of Oklahoma to change its name? It is a Choctaw Indian word that means "People with Red Skin" or some translate it as "Red People".[/quote]

Good stuff. That is very interesting.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;1024960]I can't see them changing the name without changing the logo. It's not like the Braves and Indians don't also have protesters and people calling for them to rebrand, and if we are forced to change they will surely be next.[/quote]

The thing is, the Indians calling for name change are targeting all of them. That goes beyond the Indians and Braves. As well as those two, They want the Chiefs, Seminoles, Blackhawks, Fighting Illini, Warriors, etc. to change.

Amanda Blackhorse was asked fairly recently why they were, as of now, calling for the Redskins to change but not the others. She said that due to others (read others as non-Indians) speaking out against the Redskins, that they want to get that first name down. But that once Redskins falls, that opens the door for them to attack all other sports names that involves something to do with Indians.

They are ultimately going after them all.

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If a name change were to occur, I think it's years away...and would conveniently coincide with a new stadium. I also know it wouldn't make me less of a fan if they did

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[quote=SmootSmack;1024967]If a name change were to occur, I think it's years away...and would conveniently coincide with a new stadium. I also know it wouldn't make me less of a fan if they did[/quote]


What would you do with the old one SS ?

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[quote=GTripp0012;1024955]I wouldn't be surprised if the team doesn't start to change a lot of it's branding towards "Washington Football" in the short term, while leaving the name for the time being. A lot of the same imaging and theme, but placing the emphasis back on the team name "Washington" rather than the nickname "Redskins".

The problem with the name change argument is the same as all other highly politicized arguments: one side wants you to believe that hardly anyone at all is offended, and the other wants you to believe that the people who are offended are being offended in a life-changing way. Reality of course lies in the middle, but pretty much no one is there to cover the reality.[/quote]

Well don't tell that to the team, they just redid all the sideline graphics on the walls around the stadium with more pronounced emblems and the redskins name in the classic cursive font. Looks great, I thought it was a big F u to all the haters when I saw it in the preseason.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1024970]Well don't tell that to the team, they just redid all the sideline graphics on the walls around the stadium with more pronounced emblems and the redskins name in the classic cursive font. Looks great, I thought it was a big F u to all the haters when I saw it in the preseason.[/quote]More work ain't never a bad thing,

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Name change to the Rednecks, and nobody would ****ing care.

Hopefully this type of feigned racial sensitivity wanes in the near future, or at least it just gets exposed as greed.

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the name has only been used in an insulting way in the cowboy movies that Hollywood put out. why don't these gutless coward lawyers go after the movie industry?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1024978]the name has only been used in an insulting way in the cowboy movies that Hollywood put out. why don't these gutless [B]coward lawyers go after the movie industry[/B]?[/quote]

Possibly, one in the same!!!

[QUOTE=The Goat;1024977]Name change to the Rednecks, and nobody would ****ing care.

Hopefully this type of feigned racial sensitivity wanes in the near future, or at least it just gets exposed as greed.[/QUOTE]

Yep

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[quote=Giantone;1024968]What would you do with the old one SS ?[/quote]

Expansion LFL team!

[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1024978]the name has only been used in an insulting way in the cowboy movies that Hollywood put out. why don't these gutless coward lawyers go after the movie industry?[/QUOTE]

Hey, hey, hey ... we are not gutless! Just greedy. Lots of money to be made win or lose.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1024983]Hey, hey, hey ... we are not gutless! Just greedy. Lots of money to be made win or lose.[/quote]Lol, I'm sure you know what I'm saying, but just for everybody else is benefit I'm only talking about the lawyers going after the Redskins

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I would still be a fan of the team. But I still want it known that I don't ever want the name changed. The Indians should have been doing what they're doing now 50 years ago. I know they protested and brought the name to court before, but now they are more vocal and getting more supporters.

I also feel that it shows how (and I'm trying to think of the correct word here..) ..politically correct and uptight our nation has become. There are a lot of non-Native American blood people who are pushing for the name to change. I've always believed if you have nothing to do with the issue, its none of your business and worry about things that actually effect you.

Also, I don't think people see how big of a door they're opening if we change the name. It'll make other people (crazy, weird, annoying, whatever they are) to go out and sue their sporting franchises because it offends them in some way. For example:

Are uber-religious people going to sue the New Jersey Red Devils hockey team because it has the word Devil and we should praise or worship Devils?

Will little people sue the New York Giants because they feel uncomfortable hearing the word Giant?

These are jokes, but believe me, there are some weird and/or crazy people out their who are actually offended by the dumbest of things.

Would Florida State have to change their name from the Seminoles? What about the Blackhawks? How about the Cleveland Indians mascot, does it have to be changed?


I also remember I did a little math about the census of Native Americans living in the US and regarding the USA Today poll ([url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/05/02/washington-redskins-name-poll-associated-press-gfk/2131223/]Poll reveals overwhelming support for Redskins name[/url]) of asking Native Americans if the poll should change. They polled over 1,000 native americans and asked them. 11% said yes. 8% weren't sure. 2 % didn't answer. Lets assume the worst here in the demographic and say 11+8+2= 21% say it should change.

The Census ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_population#Race_and_ethnicity]Demographics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]) shows that people who choose to identify themselves as "American Indian or Alaska Native" make up 0.9 % of this country, or in other words there are 2,932,248 people in this country who are Native American/American Indian.

That comes out to about 26,390 people here that are offended.

FedEx field holds about 79,000 people not including the standing room/party deck people ([url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/03/redskins-remove-4000-seats-from-fedex-field/]Redskins remove 4,000 seats from FedEx Field | ProFootballTalk[/url]). Thats roughly 1/3rd (33.41%) of FedEx Field sold out, that are pissed off that we are called the Redskins.

But hey I would still be a supporter of the Washington Warriors, should the name change to that.

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It's getting to the point where anyone can be offended about anything.

Grow a thicker skin, FFS!

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The more this issue gets brought up, the more I am getting heated about it. It's to the point where I don't even care about the intentions of the name anymore, I feel like people/media are hopping on the bandwagon because it's the trendy thing to do. And that pisses me off, if the name is going to be changed it should be because the majority of American Indian people are opposed to it, not because some dingleberry sports writer announces their intentions to stop using the name in protest (and thus gain more attention for hopping on the bandwagon early, just so they can feel good about themselves for "making a difference" later.)

If mothereffers cared about American Indians today, they wouldn't be out here fighting the name of a sports team, they'd be in the American Indian communities, helping with their societal problems, aka lack of education, prominent criminal culture amongst their youth, etc.

Another thing I dislike is the fact that this is only happening because the Redskins are relevant again. When we were irrelevant, and weren't being discussed that much in the national media, only the lawsuit holders cared about this, and now that we're in the news everyday for RG3 reports and the like, we're seeing all these random media members pop out of the woodworks and announce their intention to stop using the name. It's pretty annoying tbh, but the more people call it derogatory, the more press this issue receives, and in the end once the majority of public opinion is that the name is offensive, someone with a big enough shoe is going to step on Dan Snyder's toes until the name is changed. And that's why I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to have to accept that the name is going to be changed, it's not a matter of if, but a matter of when. And with all that said, at the end of the day I'm still going to love this team no matter the name. But damn if I'm not going to defend our right to use it up until the end.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1024989]It's getting to the point where anyone can be offended about anything.

Grow a thicker skin, FFS![/quote]

This. All the serious problems in the world today and people are getting offended by a word? Man the f up. If the majority of American Indians don't care about the name, neither do I.

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does dan say enough of it and put the team up for sale offering $2-2.5 billion and walk away ?

I do like the blue and red unity of Washington sports teams- Senators, bullets, capitals, nationals, but the Burgundy and gold is an integral part to the team. as is having the first fight song.

All these "Indians" bothered by the term Redskins need to get over it. it seems more of opportunists in politics trying to make a name for themselves. of all the travesties in America, nobody cares about the indian people. heck what about the americans who aren't being valued more than the failing dollar? Banks and corporations are tanking the country well into future generations of debt and a football team that has existed for 80 years is the center of the problem? No. Those offended don't have the marbles to make a change.

No way in hell, a franchise should be forced to change by people not paying into the damage that change will result.

What about the guys with tattoo's? People like me who have been collecting jerseys and everything else since birth and inherited stuff from the '40's?

no way in hell. I say get in line if you are offended by the redskins. the line forms behind the loyal fans and we aren't going anywhere.

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[quote=mooby;1024992]This. All the serious problems in the world today and people are getting offended by a word? Man the f up. If the majority of American Indians don't care about the name, neither do I.[/quote]

Come on now, we all know Americans' favorite past time is to take up a cause with which they have no connection or knowledge. This is right up people's alley. Gotsta have something to complain about to mask how miserable they are with their own lives.

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I think Redskins fans should contact Indian tribes that support the name and hold a counter protest, screw the media and those a-holes with their agendas. Show people that 78% support the existing name. Sick of this shit!!

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It's OK with me if they force the Redskins to change their name. My only prerequisite is that they take Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill first. If I were an Indian (my wife is 1/4), I would be much more pissed about that than about the Redskins' name.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1024981]Expansion LFL team![/quote]


....in the middle of Landover ? (lol)

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1025004]I think Redskins fans should contact Indian tribes that support the name and hold a counter protest, screw the media and those a-holes with their agendas. Show people that 78% support the existing name. Sick of this shit!![/quote]

Problem is, imo, the media would portray the larger group as the name change advocates, and make those who support the name look like the outliers.

It's a big problem when media openly advocates for any cause.

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F...the media and politicians.

They will always be the Redskins. We'll move before the name changes.


[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1025004]I think Redskins fans should contact Indian tribes that support the name and hold a counter protest, screw the media and those a-holes with their agendas. Show people that 78% support the existing name. Sick of this shit!![/QUOTE]


Agreed. A Redskins jersey just broke the single-season jersey sales record. The public is not "offended".

A lot of that has to do with RGIII himself but if people were truly insulted and offended, they would not wear a jersey or shirt with the name on it. Also, if he were drafted by the Browns or Jags, sales probably would not be as high because lets be honest, who would want to wear those teams' gear? :D


[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1025017]Problem is, imo, the media would portray the larger group as the name change advocates, and make those who support the name look like the outliers.

It's a big problem when media openly advocates for any cause.[/QUOTE]

No, they'd treat them like Pro-Constitution, Pro-Gun or Pro-Life supporters with good intentions that aren't on the list of trendy political causes and paint them as racists, even if they're actual Native Americans themselves.

The headline would be "Racism has spread into the Native-American tribes as they support a racist team's name!" :doh:

The media has no problem destroying the character of anyone, even if they're so wrong and dishonest about it that they look like complete fools.

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1024997]does dan say enough of it and put the team up for sale offering $2-2.5 billion and walk away ?

I do like the blue and red unity of Washington sports teams- Senators, bullets, capitals, nationals, but the Burgundy and gold is an integral part to the team. as is having the first fight song.[/quote]

I hope you aren't suggesting Senators as a name for the Redskins...no way in hell we should name our team after the most corrupt people in the nation and the people who would be helping flush our team's tradition down a $60,000 gold-handled toilet in the Capitol Building.

If it really comes down to legally being forced to change our name (Good bye 1st Amendment), we should keep the B&G and change to Braves or Warriors. "Braves on the Warpath, Right for old D.C." will still work and it's our original name. Of course, the real racists starting this argument will probably be offended by that name too, so I guess Warriors would be something to sttle for.

But, I will never call the team by the new, "politically-correct" name whatever it is. This team will ALWAYS be the Redskins to me and I'll still cheer for the Redskins vocally.

I still have not accepted the cheesy Wizards name...I still hope the Bullets name returns but that won't happen during this Presidency obviously. Credit to them for ditching those ugly blue and gold uniforms for the new Bullets-esque set, that's how the team should look.

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I honestly don't have the same vitriol to those who oppose the name as others do. And honestly when I hear some of the comments towards those who do oppose the name, it can be hard not to side with them

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[quote=Lotus;1024905]I had no idea that the Oneida Nation sponsors the Packers or has a gate at Lambeau.

The Oneida Nation folks are trying hard to turn up the heat on the name issue. They may have some success.[/quote]

I just wonder how much the Skins are trying to use persuasion in the background to get that percentage of tribes who are offended, to see this as now a good image. I know they publicly speak of it in those terms, but are there outreach programs in place to find those Native Americans who feel the strongest, and work with them to find an acceptance, or is it just "we are the Redskins, and it will never change".

I don't know that feelings can be changed, but I do believe that if the Skins can't get this sentiment changed, it's going to become a bigger issue as more media talking/writing heads join the minority side.

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Comments towards the opposition? I hear no one insulting Native Americans. Most of us believe our team's identity honors them in fact. Classy logo, not a cartoonish caricature like Cleveland's.

Negative comments towards the politicians, lawyers and media are well-deserved. THEY are the ones creating a false issue and calling ME and YOU as Redskins fans racists. They're the race-baiters and the REAL racists in this issue. I do not think of skin colors and racial slurs when I see the Redskins logo or say the name, I think of a football tradition and honoring the past. Those who constantly look for racism in anything they can find it in their twisted minds just make me sick. Look how these same people (media, politicians) treat crimes involving people of different skin color...Travon Martin at the top of the list. They see EVERYTHING in teams of race first.

It's been documented over and over that actual Native Americans are not the main group "offended" and pushing this issue. If they were, I might be more sympathetic to the issue.

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We're not going to agree here, and I have better things to do. I'm moving on