Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?
 

I waited as long as I could...

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Roman HC

Bowles DC

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Mike Shanahan is not the answer to any question worth asking, but it's too early to know if the Redskins need to clean house completely. We have some pretty good assistant coaches on this staff, and as long as the players respond to them, it probably doesn't make a ton of sense to clean out the entire coaching staff.

The short term fix is probably to bring in some coaching help from the outside to help get the players in position to succeed. After the season, you can start to weed out the problems in the organization. I don't think firing coaches midseason will help nearly as much as getting more voices in the building will.

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We do have some talented coaches, at the same time, bad too. Haslett, Burns and the Shanahans need to go

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[quote=GTripp0012;1032676]Mike Shanahan is not the answer to any question worth asking, but it's too early to know if the Redskins need to clean house completely. We have some pretty good assistant coaches on this staff, and as long as the players respond to them, it probably doesn't make a ton of sense to clean out the entire coaching staff.

The short term fix is probably to bring in some coaching help from the outside to help get the players in position to succeed. After the season, you can start to weed out the problems in the organization. I don't think firing coaches midseason will help nearly as much as getting more voices in the building will.[/quote]

One of the rare posts where we disagree. I think there's already enough confusion among this coaching staff. And which asst coaches are worth keeping? Not Haslett of Kyle for eff sakes

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I don't think we know anything about Keith Burns as a coach after five games. Our special teams are dreadful. If they remain this bad, that reflects poorly on him.

Mike Shanahan managed the game just as poorly today as he did in 2010, 2011, and 2012. Common link at this point is he cannot manage a pro football game adequately. Isn't skilled enough to do it.

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I won't tell you the names at the top of the wish list because I'm an evil moderator

But I don't see what's so great about Bowles to be honest, and Roman for that matter.

Actually I don't care what the answer is, I suspect I already know

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Just like you said about Harbaugh. Darrell Bevell is another bright guy.

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[quote=The Goat;1032679]One of the rare posts where we disagree. I think there's already enough confusion among this coaching staff. And which asst coaches are worth keeping? Not Haslett of Kyle for eff sakes[/quote]The head coach and both coordinators do not add anything on game day.

Kyle is going to get a lot of credit for building the offense that is mimmicked across america on Saturdays. He's going to have employment for life. He doesn't need this specific job. He'll land on his feet.

Haslett might be nearing the end as an NFL coach. I don't think he's been that bad of a defensive coordinator. His schemes are mostly hit or miss. I just don't know what he's adding at this point for the trouble.

I don't even know what Mike Shanahan does on gamedays anymore. If you hid him in the locker room and made us play without a head coach for three quarters, I doubt anyone on earth could tell you which quarter he was present for. He's invisible.

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Gruden? He's the biggest name out there right now. And I know Cowher doesn't want to come back but he was always my choice over Shanny

Dave Toub, Mike Zimmer.
Would have loved Rob Chudzinski.

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David Shaw at Stanford is considered the next big College Football Coach to go to the Pros. I think we should go for Art Briles only because he knows what he's doing with Robert.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1032691]David Shaw at Stanford is considered the next big College Football Coach to go to the Pros. I think we should go for Art Briles only because he knows what he's doing with Robert.[/quote]

Yes! How could I forget about him.

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JOE GIBBS I I I would be J G I I I to go with R G I I I

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MARC TRESTM...ahh nevermind

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1032686]Just like you said about Harbaugh. Darrell Bevell is another bright guy.[/quote]

I get it. I said I didn't think it was a guarantee Harbaugh would be a good pro coach, so now I have to just accept that any HC from Northern California or former Redskin would make a great HC/OC/DC. Understood

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1032691]David Shaw at Stanford is considered the next big College Football Coach to go to the Pros.[B] I think we should go for Art Briles only because he knows what he's doing with Robert.[/B][/quote]

That's a great idea -- Baylor's offense is lighting it up right now too. I'd love to see us move away from the freaking draw play on 2nd and 14 and become a team that more closely resembles air it out offenses.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1032696]I get it. I said I didn't think it was a guarantee Harbaugh would be a good pro coach, so now I have to just accept that any HC from Northern California or former Redskin would make a great HC/OC/DC. Understood[/quote]

They just happen to come from Stanford, don't tell me Roman or Shaw haven't proven themselves. Pep Hamilton is doing a great job with Luck this year also.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1032703]They just happen to come from Stanford, don't tell me Roman or Shaw haven't proven themselves.[/quote]

I'm not sold on Roman as a HC. I know, I know. Harbaugh. And maybe I'll be wrong about Roman too. So be it.

I love David Shaw. He's a brilliant coach and a friend. And I've asked him about the possibility of coaching here....

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[quote=SmootSmack;1032706]I'm not sold on Roman as a HC. I know, I know. Harbaugh. And maybe I'll be wrong about Roman too. So be it.

I love David Shaw. He's a brilliant coach and a friend. And I've asked him about the possibility of coaching here....[/quote]

Then you better convince him to come to DC, Shaw would be awesome!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;1032706]I'm not sold on Roman as a HC. I know, I know. Harbaugh. And maybe I'll be wrong about Roman too. So be it.

I love David Shaw. He's a brilliant coach and a friend. And I've asked him about the possibility of coaching here....[/quote]David Shaw sounds like a guy who is coming back to the NFL very soon. He talks like it, at least.

I don't know if he's necessarily the best fit here, but I think he'd work his tail off to get this team on the right track, and would allow Bruce Allen to bring in (or promote) a real pro personnel guy to take over football ops. The organizational structure would be a lot stronger.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1032715]David Shaw sounds like a guy who is coming back to the NFL very soon. He talks like it, at least.

I don't know if he's necessarily the best fit here, but I think he'd work his tail off to get this team on the right track, and would allow Bruce Allen to bring in (or promote) a real pro personnel guy to take over football ops. The organizational structure would be a lot stronger.[/quote]

Someone like AJ Smith?

Don't get your hopes up on Shaw quite yet. He doesn't talk like someone coming back to the NFL very soon when the cameras aren't rolling. And there's no indication he wants to come here, or we want him

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Well if Morris is even on the short list you give him the reigns now IMO. Bad coaching and leadership can do real damage. You can't even scout players when the play-calling and adjustments (lack thereof ) are this bad.

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HC- Goat
OC- Gtripp
DC - Punch it in
ST - John Madden

We would have the best couch coach squad in the NFL.. So elite!

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[quote=SmootSmack;1032716]Someone like AJ Smith?

Don't get your hopes up on Shaw quite yet. [B]He doesn't talk like someone coming back to the NFL very soon when the cameras aren't rolling.[/B] And there's no indication he wants to come here, or we want him[/quote]I figured there was probably a reason AJ Smith was brought here. I'm undecided about him, which is a weird thing to be when someone was employed as a GM for nine years. Usually that's enough time to build a solid reputation. But SD is a weird market to try to win in. Looney toons ownership, and D-minus facilities, and lacking tradition, all that jazz.

I'm already surprised that Shaw talks like he does when the camera's are rolling, given the perception that being evasive about future employment opportunities may hurt recruiting. I think it's perception, not reality, but it definitely bucks the trend of saying that "I'm here forever."

Maybe Shaw's just a really honest guy who isn't going to say stuff that he doesn't believe about Stanford being the only coaching job he ever wants. I don't know.

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[quote=Bucket;1032721]HC- Goat
OC- Gtripp
DC - Punch it in
ST - John Madden

We would have the best couch coach squad in the NFL.. So elite![/quote]What makes you think I own a couch?

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Kyle Shanahan for Stanford Head Coach.

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Well, I like the idea of up and comers and won't complain one iota if that's the outcome, and the sooner the better. But there's some retreads I'd welcome: Morris (if we do it now), Lovie, and my top choice is Gregg Williams. I think he is one of the rare breads who will thrive in DC.

Anybody else like to know who SS things has best chance for HC?

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[quote=The Goat;1032729]Well, I like the idea of up and comers and won't complain one iota if that's the outcome, and the sooner the better. But there's some retreads I'd welcome: Morris (if we do it now), Lovie, and my top choice is Gregg Williams. I think he is one of the rare breads who will thrive in DC.

Anybody else like to know who SS things has best chance for HC?[/quote]

Gregg "bounty" Williams will never coach again.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1032731]Gregg "bounty" Williams will never coach again.[/quote]

That's a shame. Tennessee has one of the best defenses in th nfl this year and Gregg Williams will run the cleanest team in football if given the chance.

[QUOTE=Bucket;1032721]HC- Goat
OC- Gtripp
DC - Punch it in
ST - John Madden

We would have the best couch coach squad in the NFL.. So elite![/QUOTE]

What?

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I hope it's not Raheem Morris. He does an awful job coaching the worst position on our team. Our secondary regularly blows their assignment and the guy running them is seen as a potential successor?

That said, I don't think Shanny is done -- nor should he be. We're still better today than we were when he took over. Much better. He also did that while losing 36M to the salary cap.

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This organization does not need to continue the revolving door with the coaching staff. They need to focus on getting better talent as this team still has big holes in talent that can never be overcome by coaching.

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[quote=irish;1032748]This organization does not need to continue the revolving door with the coaching staff. They need to focus on getting better talent as this team still has big holes in talent that can never be overcome by coaching.[/quote]

I tend to agree. We all have conveniently forget that we're still operating on a shoestring budget. What we have right now is a perfect storm of problems.

A leaky Oline
WRs that can't win battles.
A QB who is 80% of himself

I think even 80% of Bob is good enough but when the line can't protect him and the WRs can't get open there isn't much success that can be had. Plus he lost an entire off season of work and he clearly needs improvement in the passing game from a scheme standpoint.

On defense we just lack talent in the back. Although they are slowly getting better.

Too many missing pieces that can mostly be tied to playing with a short deck. I suspect that will get Shanny some latitude.

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[quote=irish;1032748]This organization does not need to continue the revolving door with the coaching staff. They need to focus on getting better talent as this team still has big holes in talent that can never be overcome by coaching.[/quote]

I agree but I don't want to see Kyle anymore. I've had enough of his lack of adjustments, the lack of hurry up offense....time to move on there.

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sorry Irish but 4 years is long enough, Mike can't win in DC not consistently any way and its proven, He's 22-31 now and unless we make some miracle 8-3 run he will have 3-4 years under .500. I'm over the shanaplan era and I was one if not his biggest supporter even after the Mcnabb debacle.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1032758]I agree but I don't want to see Kyle anymore. I've had enough of his lack of adjustments, [B]the lack of hurry up offense[/B]....time to move on there.[/quote]

I know right! It's not like we opened the game using that yesterday or anything.

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Morris was averaging 5 ypc and they stopped giving him the ball

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Not sold on R. Morris. I think we need to clean house entirely.

David Shaw would be great, but he's 1 yr. into a new contract. He's a west coast guy with a great job at his alma mater and strong salary. I don't see him leaving to come here.

Charlie Strong, Kevin Sumlin, Steve Sarkisian and Jim Mora would be on my short list.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1032779]Morris was averaging 5 ypc and they stopped giving him the ball[/quote]

No. He was averaging 2.6 yards prior to his 45 yard run for the TD. The problem with the offense is because the run game isn't working, and the RO had a lot to do with it working last year.