Cooley Drops Bomb on Haynesworth
 

Sorry to have to bring up Fat Albert again, but this is "need to know" stuff for Redskins Fans:

On his ESPN 980 radio show Chris Cooley and company were discussing the huge bad contract given Gilbert Arenas by the Wizards when the dreadful Albert Haynesworth contract was brought up. Cooley was asked which contract was worse, the massive one given to Arenas, or the massive one handed to Albert Haynesworth.

“NO QUESTION, the Haynesworth contract,” Cooley answered. “Because he was TRYING to get released by the team. His goal was to come here, make a large signing bonus, and then get released and not have to do any of the work. He didn’t care about the back end of that contract, he didn’t care about making all of that money. His idea was, you paid me for what I did in the past, and my goal is to be released as soon as possible and basically take $33 million from you for absolutely nothing.”

“But was that his goal from the get-go?” Galdi asked.

“Yes,” Cooley insisted. “His goal from the get-go was to take that money. He also indicated to many players on the team that his new goal was to get released as soon as possible, sign another maybe $10, 12 million contract — that’s verbatim — go somewhere, play for a year and probably get released, and keep that money too. I mean, if it was a player on this team currently, I would not discuss this on the air. But being the player that he was, and the guy that he was around here, this was open [knowledge] among many players in this locker room: that his goal was basically to take money."

There you have it. It was just as most of us suspected.

For more, if you can stand it, check out today's sports page on washingtonpost.com.

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Yeah I heard this the other day. I dont blame Haynesworth or the players, its a culture developed by Danny Boy and Vinny. They are directly and solely responsible for it. Not smart football people making decisions they had no business making.

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You don't blame Haynesworth for what?

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[quote=FRPLG;1036848]You don't blame Haynesworth for what?[/quote]

for taking the money and advantage of the situation. if that was his plan going in. We set ourselves up by developing a culture of paying players well over their ability. Its no secret agents sought out rediculous contracts from us because we were fools. I think Haynesworth is a pos no doubt

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AH would have done this anywhere he went, regardless if it was the Redskins or another team. He clearly was not interested in playing football, he just wanted to get paid.

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A man of pride and character does not show up to take money for doing nothing, regardless of the business culture.

My opinion of Haynesworth just got lower...and I did not think it was possible to go lower. To call him a douche is an insult to douches everywhere.

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[quote=Mattyk;1036853]AH would have done this anywhere he went, regardless if it was the Redskins or another team. He clearly was not interested in playing football, he just wanted to get paid.[/quote]

Yeah maybe, but we were the fools to give him the money. Very dumb, thank god we have reversed that culture here. Shanny and Bruce have done an excellent job in that department.

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By the way, awesome Halloween theme Summo!

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Haynesworth completely wasted a chance to be a HOF. He's superbly talented and actually extremely bright. He could have had a HOF career and been a terrific analyst post-career. But he chose to be lazy and waste his talents. That's on him

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[quote=Lotus;1036855]A man of pride and character does not show up to take money for doing nothing, regardless of the business culture.

My opinion of Haynesworth just got lower...and I did not think it was possible to go lower. [B] To call him a douche is an insult to douches everywhere[/B].[/quote]

funniest thing I have read on here in a while

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[quote=Lotus;1036858]By the way, awesome Halloween theme Summo![/quote]

Sure it's awesome, if you don't mind that it's blatantly offensive to dead people.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1036865]Haynesworth completely wasted a chance to be a HOF. He's superbly talented and actually extremely bright. He could have had a HOF career and been a terrific analyst post-career. But he chose to be lazy and waste his talents. That's on him[/quote]

They were red flags, we had no business offering him a contract. Especially one that made him the highest paid defensive player. Foolish beyond belief. We are still paying for it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1036853]AH would have done this anywhere he went, regardless if it was the Redskins or another team. He clearly was not interested in playing football, he just wanted to get paid.[/quote]

I agree and he found the easiest pigeon of them all to fleece, DS and VC.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1036865]Haynesworth completely wasted a chance to be a HOF. He's superbly talented and actually extremely bright. He could have had a HOF career and been a terrific analyst post-career. But he chose to be lazy and waste his talents. That's on him[/quote]

Someday he'll regret it, hopefully.

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[quote=Chico23231;1036869]They were red flags, we had no business offering him a contract. Especially one that made him the highest paid defensive player. Foolish beyond belief. We are still paying for it.[/quote]

That part is true. But Haynesworth deserves to be excoriated for doing such a morally bankrupt thing.

You do realize, Chico, that he stole from us, the Redskins fans, too, don't you? What he did caused great harm to the organization which set the team back on the field. He stole our Sunday afternoons. How do you feel about this man stealing from [U]you[/U]?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1036875]That part is true. But Haynesworth deserves to be excoriated for doing such a morally bankrupt thing.

You do realize, Chico, that he stole from us, the Redskins fans, too, don't you? What he did caused great harm to the organization which set the team back on the field. He stole our Sunday afternoons. How do you feel about this man stealing from [U]you[/U]?[/quote]

Hey im pissed about it and hate the dude, but damn it I more pissed about how this organization was run for 10 years. Danny and Vinny stole from me for 10 effing years with their mismanagement. It was a circus.

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One of the reasons I joined this board back in the day was my friends were sick of me bitching to them about the skins, i needed an outlet. You see that commercial about Ramsey, the out of control dude watching the game, that was me. Except more violent I think. I was sick of it. Haynesworth was the last.

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[quote=Chico23231;1036876]Hey im pissed about it and hate the dude, but damn it I more pissed about how this organization was run for 10 years. Danny and Vinny stole from me for 10 effing years with their mismanagement. It was a circus.[/quote]

They weren't stealing because they were trying. They were just incompetent.

Only the other hand, Haynesworth deceived the Redskins management into believing that he would help them win while he apparently had no intention of giving an honest effort to do so.

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To me this whole story is meh and I kinda side with Chico on this.

I would want to crucify the guy if he came in like... on an RG3, clean nose, angelic kinda level and then all of a sudden went rogue.

Management knew who Haynesworth was both as a man and as a player (or lack thereof) and still signed him to an enormous contract in spite of that.

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[quote=Mattyk;1036853]AH would have done this anywhere he went, regardless if it was the Redskins or another team. He clearly was not interested in playing football, he just wanted to get paid.[/quote]

Very true,but we fell for it.There were a lot of warning signs with Haynesworth that the skins overlooked.The football sportswriter here in houston,[url=http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/section/john-mcclain/]Ultimate Texans » John McClain[/url]
was adamant before we signed Haynesworth that anybody who signed him was gonna regret it,that it was all about the mnoey

Water under the bridge now,;hopefully skins have learned a lesson

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[quote=Chico23231;1036851]for taking the money and advantage of the situation. if that was his plan going in. We set ourselves up by developing a culture of paying players well over their ability. Its no secret agents sought out rediculous contracts from us because we were fools. I think Haynesworth is a pos no doubt[/quote]

Any player could do this to any team after signing a contract. Personally I would thank that Snyder would have a case to sue AH for a breach of contract.

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[quote=Chico23231;1036856]Yeah maybe, but we were the fools to give him the money. Very dumb, thank god we have reversed that culture here. Shanny and Bruce have done an excellent job in that department.[/quote]

If he didn't get paid here it would have been elsewhere and he would have pulled the same crap. Skins weren't the only team in the running. Yeah it sucks it ended up being our mistake, but it doesn't change the fact the guy is a bum of epic proportion.

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I dont want to call Cooley a liar,but why the hell would Haynesworth tell his team mates this?
And from what I remember 90% of the people on this forum thought Haynesworth played pretty damn good his first year here

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Sure management at the time was idiotic. Trust me, I get that - the thought of VC makes me wretch. So, yeah, they got taken advantage of b/c they were stupid. Stupider than most others at the time.

Regardless, it's the old adage - two wrongs don't make a right. Sure, given the culture he created, VC got exactly what he deserved - a douche ball, classless, a-hole who was only interested in "show me the money".

That, however, doesn't change the fact that Haynesworth was a douche ball, classless, a-hole.

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I think we can all agree A.H. was a douche.But looking at his stats on his first yr here,they are in line with every other season AH had to that point.
2nd yr,Shanny comes in ,switches to 3-4,pisses off AH,things go downhill fast from there
How much of it was contract,the switch to 3-4,only A.H. knows for sure I guess

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[quote=htownskinfan;1036893]I dont want to call Cooley a liar,but why the hell would Haynesworth tell his team mates this?
[B]And from what I remember 90% of the people on this forum thought Haynesworth played pretty damn good his first year here[/B][/quote]

I don't think anyone disputed his ability at any time. I remember a lot of second guessing about how he was being used and similar discussions. Generally, as I recall, it broke down along the lines, "coaching sucks they aren't using him right" v. "you signed the contract, you do what the coaches want".

Why he tell them? B/c he was an arrogant bastard who didn't care about anyone but himself and knew they would be practically no repercussions. Maybe DS brings a lawsuit, maybe not.

Also, I thought I read he was in bankruptcy ... not sure though.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1036893][B]I dont want to call Cooley a liar,but why the hell would Haynesworth tell his team mates this?[/B]
And from what I remember 90% of the people on this forum thought Haynesworth played pretty damn good his first year here[/quote]

Do you have some info that would contradict what Cooley was exposed to while playing for the team?

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AH's actions back up what CC is saying pretty well.

[QUOTE=Hog1;1036899]Do you have some info that would contradict what Cooley was exposed to while playing for the team?[/QUOTE]

Yes I do
Cult Brennan has assured me Cooley is wrong,lol
Cooleys probably telling it like it is,just hard to believe someone would be so stupid as to tell his teammates that
Also haynesworths play his first yr here does not back up what Cooley is saying

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[quote=htownskinfan;1036910]Yes I do
Cult Brennan has assured me Cooley is wrong,lol
Cooleys probably telling it like it is,just hard to believe someone would be so stupid as to tell his teammates that
Also haynesworths play his first yr here does not back up what Cooley is saying[/quote]

He played ok his first year here, nothing special though. Certainly not up to the level of a guy making $100M. He also had issues that year, questioning the D and Blache (he wasn't happy with the D even before the change to the 3-4), not participating in offseason workouts, etc.

Plus that was when Zorn was here. Once a real coach showed up he really showed his true colors.

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Even after here, Haynesworth had chances with New England and Tampa. Didn't matter

I've heard many similar stories about AH, for what it's worth. Not specifically about the money. But about him refusing to practice and telling people at RP that he wasn't going to do anymore than he needed to do

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You cannot NOT blame Haynesworth. You can blame the org for a lot of different stuff but just because they were idiots doesn't mean you don't blame the thief whole stole from them.

It's like saying "Did you see what she was wearing? She was asking for it." Same mindset.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1036910]Yes I do
[B]Cult Brennan has assured me Cooley is wrong[/B],lol
Cooleys probably telling it like it is,just hard to believe someone would be so stupid as to tell his teammates that
Also haynesworths play his first yr here does not back up what Cooley is saying[/quote]
That should be good enough!

[QUOTE=Hog1;1036922]That should be good enough![/QUOTE]

Lmao
This subject is not worth debating anymore

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[quote=htownskinfan;1036926]Lmao
This subject is not worth debating anymore[/quote]

For real, this is offseason material.

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[quote=FRPLG;1036917]You cannot NOT blame Haynesworth. You can blame the org for a lot of different stuff but just because they were idiots doesn't mean you don't blame the thief whole stole from them.

It's like saying "Did you see what she was wearing? She was asking for it." Same mindset.[/quote]

Yeah I dont think its fair to bring rape into it, but the skins were asking for it especially after showing a clear history of being burned time and time again. Skins didnt do they're due dillegence, they obviously had no clear plan, and it didnt matter what Albert wore, he clearly identified the Skins as a mark. And took advantage of it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1036949]Yeah I dont think its fair to bring rape into it, but the skins were asking for it especially after showing a clear history of being burned time and time again. Skins didnt do they're due dillegence, they obviously had no clear plan, and it didnt matter what Albert wore,[B] he clearly identified the Skins as a mark. And took advantage of it[/B].[/quote]

Through deceit and fraud - had he played, given it his best and not lived up to the contract, then he would have been faultless. As it is, he saw someone he could steal from and did so - he is (in the words of Cooley) an awful human being.

As FRPLG said, if I leave my stupidly leave my house unlocked, it is still wrong to steal from me. Not sure how this is not making sense to some.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1036965]Through deceit and fraud - had he played, given it his best and not lived up to the contract, then he would have been faultless. As it is, he saw someone he could steal from and did so - he is (in the words of Cooley) an awful human being.

As FRPLG said, if I leave my stupidly leave my house unlocked, it is still wrong to steal from me. Not sure how this is not making sense to some.[/quote]

Because you kept leaving your house unlocked and people kept walking in and stealing time and time again. Your negligence is a contributing factor. It was a culture. It had to change and it has.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1036967]Because you kept leaving your house unlocked and people kept walking in and stealing time and time again. Your negligence is a contributing factor. It was a culture. It had to change and it has.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, always blame the victim. /SARC

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[quote=FRPLG;1036917]You cannot NOT blame Haynesworth. You can blame the org for a lot of different stuff but just because they were idiots doesn't mean you don't blame the thief whole stole from them.

It's like saying "Did you see what she was wearing? She was asking for it." Same mindset.[/quote]

I blame your English teacher. :D



A thief is a thief. It doesn't matter if someone left a door open, stealing is the crime of the one who stole it...and only his.

Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato may have overpaid players horribly, but they still gave them the contracts with the expectation that the player would give full effort to deserve and earn the money. Signing an old Deion Sanders or Bruce Smith like they were in their prime, or paying a bum like Adam Archuleta top money is still not "asking for it". The players are still expected to at least try. Haynesworth apparently came in with no intention of giving ANY effort at all and with a goal of being paid and forcing the team to release him so he can do it to another team.

That's break of contract, fraud and flat out stealing.

If you can't condemn Haynesworth, I'm shocked. Well, maybe not, look at the welfare state we live in these days. Stealing from the rich is actually endorsed now.