Sean Taylor wants to redo his deal already...
 

He signed a 7 year deal just nine months ago and now his new agent - is this his third agent or his fourth? - has talked with the Skins about a new contract. The team is not allowed yo redo a rookie deal for one year after it was signed, so this story could roll on through the middle of training camp. But that won't be a distraction.

What I would love to know from the "hardline tough-guys" here on The Warpathy is this:

If Taylor is disgruntled with his contract and something is NOT worked out and he asks to be released/traded, should the Skins:


a. Threaten to suspend him and make him watch the games on a 12-inch screen black-and-white TV?

b. Wait until after the March 1 "witching hour" and then trade him for another safety in the league whose contract is expiring and wants a humongous deal?

c. Send out stories to the press about how he was not all that well liked in the locker room?

d. Find a way to block any calls from Champ Bailey to his cell phone?


Stand by folks, this story has only just begun...

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what is your source?

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]He signed a 7 year deal just nine months ago and now his new agent - is this his third agent or his fourth? - has talked with the Skins about a new contract. The team is not allowed yo redo a rookie deal for one year after it was signed, so this story could roll on through the middle of training camp. But that won't be a distraction.

What I would love to know from the "hardline tough-guys" here on The Warpathy is this:

If Taylor is disgruntled with his contract and something is NOT worked out and he asks to be released/traded, should the Skins:


a. Threaten to suspend him and make him watch the games on a 12-inch screen black-and-white TV?

b. Wait until after the March 1 "witching hour" and then trade him for another safety in the league whose contract is expiring and wants a humongous deal?

c. Send out stories to the press about how he was not all that well liked in the locker room?

d. Find a way to block any calls from Champ Bailey to his cell phone?


Stand by folks, this story has only just begun...[/QUOTE]

you're posting about something we new 7 months ago when he signed this deal with his "old" agent before drew. he wanted to redo it right after he hired drew which was right after he signed. but good try

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From the Post 3/21:

"According to sources, agent Drew Rosenhaus has held discussions with the Redskins about safety Sean Taylor's desire for a new contract. Taylor fired his previous agents last summer because of displeasure with his rookie contract: a seven-year, $18 million deal, which included a roughly $11 million bonus. With incentives, the contract is worth up to $40 million. But NFL rules prevent a rookie's contract from being reworked for a year. In Taylor's case, nothing can be announced until Aug. 1. Rosenhaus declined to comment. . . . "

Im not sure how I feel about this, but I get the feeling that he just realizes that his agent sucked and that he got a bad deal compared to others drafted around him. I doubt a new deal gets worked out, and I dont think that Rosenhaus will let it become a distraction/holdout situation. I mean, its not like we're dealing with the Postons here!

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I also don't know how I feel about this. He's one of the best safeties (and will become the best) in the league. I would say that he warrants the type of cash of the better safeties in the league. I don't know those numbers however.

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This doesn't come as a surprise at all.

7 years, $18M?? C'mon, the guy got raked over the coals. He was the #5 overall pick, sure with incentives the deal looks alot better, but players just aren't interested in incentives. They want guaranteed money, as much of it as possible.

Sure some of it is his fault, he signed a crappy deal, but that's what you hire agents for. I really can't believe he didn't go with Rosenhaus in the first place, he's like the official Miami agent. Rosenhaus and Snyder are on pretty good terms, I won't be suprised to see them work something out in the summer.

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I love "according to sources." In my business, I like to know the asshole that gives me bad news, otherwise I dont believe it. Where is the source? Somebody's cousin that knows somebody that overheard something in their dentist's reception area? Come on, give me something.

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]I love "according to sources." In my business, I like to know the asshole that gives me bad news, otherwise I dont believe it. Where is the source? Somebody's cousin that knows somebody that overheard something in their dentist's reception area? Come on, give me something.[/QUOTE]

The WP, look at a couple of posts above

[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54016-2005Mar21.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54016-2005Mar21.html[/url]

Re: Sean Taylor wants to redo his deal already...
 

sorry there matty, I'll take your word for it, but i dont see that anywhere. Is it on this thread?

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This isn't a suprise, we heard this right after his deal was signed. They'll work it out.

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I think he really did not get the best deal and has proved he is going to earn his money. Maybe the front office can turn some of his "incentives" into a contract he is happy with.
I don't want this kid chomping at the bit to leave ASAP.

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If that is the case with Taylor then let him watch from the bench. He is playng out of position in the pros anyway. Should be a OLB-even then he could watch from the bench if he don't like the contract

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I vote for d.

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That's a good plan, John. Let's disgruntle arguably our best player, move him to a foreign position which were loaded at, then bench him because he got shafted on his deal. Good plan! How do you not land a GM job somewhere?

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Sheesh, here I am wondering if we will have enough money to get our draft picks signed and Taylor wants to re-do his deal........I can't believe this............... Thanks for the "help" Sean............... :rolleyes:

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Call me crazy, but I think you do the deal now, or very soon. The kid sure looks to be a sure-fire NFL star in the making. Why not take a page out of the Eagles' book and lock him up to a long-term contract before he gets older. He has only played one season and he didn't make the pro-bowl. So based on that, signing him to fair value today will turn out to be a major bargain down the road as he develops into the best safety in the league. But if he starts demanding guaranteed money befitting a safety who has already made multiple pro-bowls, I'd tell him to take a hike.

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I'm with Schneed. I think he is only on his way up and will only be more expensive in the near future. I dont think we need to give him a astronomical deal; but he did kinda get a lower type offer. I think if we redo things now; we can save ourselves alot of money.

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be fair with and bring him up to where he should be... if that doesn't keep him happy what will..

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]be fair with and bring him up to where he should be... if that doesn't keep him happy what will..[/QUOTE]

Yeah good point. If he's not happy with fair market value, then he's being unreasonable and the Redskins need to take a stand on that stuff. They need to send the message: around here you come to work, you play hard, you take pride in the Redskins and the city, and you will be rewarded [b]fairly[/b].

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Hey Daseal Iam not moving him to QB- I said OLB- Him and Arrington in a 3-4. His hitting ability is his thing. Playing OLB he would have ample opportunity compared to what he gets at saftey. So your saying he is not capable of OLB!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by [b]Monksdown[/b]
[i]Forgive me if i appear incoherent. Ive had too much to drink like Malcom in the middle on St Pat's day(I'm sure you know of whom I speak) But damn it guys, watch the games some times. When did you ever see Gregg Williams with a 3-4. You and your damn Baltimore pipe dreams.

If you want 3-4, move to baltimore. Thats my new rap. Our defense is complex, not only to confuse opposing offenses, but to confuse us as well. If you dont understand the complexity of a bear defense. Im referring to the Centerfield safety configuration, not the team, then dont make comments, like, lets have a 3-4 defense. This isnt the 80's anymore. Defense's have progressed beyond 2 types. It may seem difficult, but allow me to time capsule your 3-4 comments for you, and show them to you in 10 years, when everyone on ESPN has explained a bear defense to you. Because it may take 10 years for the new defensive schemes in the nfl to permiate your thick, high school level defensive minds.

There are intelligent people getting paid a year more than you'll make in a lifetime, to figure out how to take advantage of conventional defenses. Step up to the plate, and expand a little.

It's not a mystery why our defense (filled with previous underachievers) excelled against the West Coast Offenses(choke, choke, somebody blow the fucking dust off).

Absolutely no insult intended to those that may take insult. But is anyone out there on the same page?[/i]

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Hitting isn't so much his thing. He's seen as a ballhawk for the most part. There's a reason Williams gave him the nickname "swoop" and it wasn't because of his hitting. He can lay a lick on someone without a doubt, however once he gets a bit more comfortable and reads offenses a bit better the league will be asking who Ed Reed was.

Putting him in as a LB negates this from him. Safety is perfect for him. He can be an enforcer but also make QBs think twice about throwing into coverage with him.

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Making Taylor a LB would be downright crazy.

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I think it's a great idea. (sarcasm button) I mean, wouldnt it be great after losing our starting cornerback, to weaken the secondary even more. And here is another really good idea, after having the 3rd ranked defense in the nfl last year, lets make a drastic change. Why not? Change is good right. Can he play the position? Yes. But why do we need him to again? If you want to take advantage of his speed, give him some open field to showcase it, dont lock him up at the line of scrimmage every play! Good lord, you must live in a vacuum.

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Greg Williams said he's the best WR, LB, Safety, CB, RB, and TE we have on our team... The man is athletic, let him scare people back there!

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Moksdown you want to showcase him in the open field-fine-I would rather showcase him doing some real damage. Whatever

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[QUOTE=Daseal]That's a good plan, John. Let's disgruntle arguably our best player, move him to a foreign position which were loaded at, then bench him because he got shafted on his deal. Good plan! How do you not land a GM job somewhere?[/QUOTE]



:lol:

While we are at it I think we should now draft Mike Williams and make him our starting QB, he's real tall, he can see over the line you know!

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[QUOTE=John Hasbrouck]Moksdown you want to showcase him in the open field-fine-I would rather showcase him doing some real damage. Whatever[/QUOTE]
I cant come up with a response insulting enough John. And we might as well stay friendly.

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]:soapbox: :soapbox: :soapbox: [/QUOTE]

i agree with pretty much everything you've said. but it's the way you said it that is bothering me.
I love this forum. i love the discussions.

i hate it when someone feels their football knowledge is far superior than anyone posting.


Monks, just because you perfected the bear defence on madden football doesnt make you an expert on a professional football.

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I don't think Monk was saying he knows more than the next guy, he's simply stating he feels that's a waste of Sean Taylors talent. I agree. I also feel it's foolish to move someone to a position he played well at to a position we're overloaded with talent at. No one here is an "expert." We all know and except this, why does that argument keep popping up, we all have different ideas about the team. No one's claiming they're an expert, watch the game in dannys booth, or that they're a doctor with first hand information on a case, does that mean the person can't voice their feelings on a forum completely dedicated to speculation?

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man something good needs to happen for the skins badd u guys are getting pissy!

As for Sean T. The kid was compared favorably to Ronnie Lott, and called A"Ray Lewis" at safety. These are argueably the 2 of the best defensive players to ever play the game so give the kid time to earn some respect then do over his deal, I don't want him going to another team any time soon

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Just say hypothetically we did switch to a 3-4, which by the way i hope we don't do.

So you want to play Taylor and Arrington at OLB, what exactly are you going to do with our Pro Bowl OLB Marcus Washington? Sit him on the bench?

Taylor is an exceptional Safety, and will be the best in the league if not in 2005 then in 2006. People are scared of him already, leave him where he is and let him do his thing in the secondary.

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I am sorry if I came off as trying to be an expert. I dont see a reason to change our defense, especially in that direction. Some people love linebackers so much, that they would sacrifice anything to get more out there. And then to multiply the error, they would want to take our stud at safety and waste him on an outside linebacker spot. I dont want to see Petigout throwing Sean to the ground, when Seans greatest strength is his speed, and 6th sense for where the ball is. Sean is so talented at being where the ball is, I feel that it's important to give him a better view of the play, 15 yards back.

My argument wasnt that I know anything, but that anyone thinking a 3-4 switch would be beneficial, must not.

Thanks for the support Dasael.

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It's a nice thought but there's absolutely no need to move Taylor to another position, and the chance of it happening is zero to none.

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Moving taylor to OLB is not even nuts. Nuts would be moving him to CB or something like that. Moving him to OLB would grounds for a kick to the head. He is an average at best LB. He doesn't have the size nor strength to be a force. His asstes are his size and strength RELATIVE to others at his position and the players he covers. At LB he is small...not undersized...small. Fast and small linebackers don't suceed in the NFL. That's why they are moved to safety usually.

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Good point FRLPG, as a LB he would be undersized at 230, but at safety he's huge.

Put him at LB and he's going to have to deal with 300 LB lineman, while at safety he has the room to best use his skills.

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Not to say he isn't completely jacked, but Taylor derives a lot of his hitting ability from sheer momentum.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Not to say he isn't completely jacked, but Taylor derives a lot of his hitting ability from sheer momentum.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that and a nasty streak the likes of which I've never seen!

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Just to go off topic for a second if I may, you all remember that whole thing about ST saying he only knew how to sing the alphabet and some of us calling him a "meathead"?

Well maybe so, but Taylor's got nothing on O's pitcher Eric Dubose:

From the Baltimore Sun-"When instructed to recite the alphabet, DuBose allegedly said, "I'm from Alabama, and they have a different alphabet."

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Just to go off topic for a second if I may, you all remember that whole thing about ST saying he only knew how to sing the alphabet and some of us calling him a "meathead"?

Well maybe so, but Taylor's got nothing on O's pitcher Eric Dubose:

From the Baltimore Sun-"When instructed to recite the alphabet, DuBose allegedly said, "I'm from Alabama, and they have a different alphabet."[/QUOTE]


Well, in a sense he is right. They almost speak a different language down there in Alabama. I've been there before, and I had a hard time understanding some people. And then people had a hard time understanding my "northern" accent. I told them I was from VA and it was considered the south, but they didn't really buy that. They don't consider VA as being part of the south for some reason. Maybe it's because we sound a little more educated up here. Who knows.