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[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2013/12/02/detroit-tigers-washington-nationals-doug-fister-trade/3822317/]Tigers trade Doug Fister to Nationals[/url]

Nats should be arrested for stealing. Great move, replaces a garbage pick up last year. Fister was probably the least appreciated player on that Tigers team, perfect pitching style to mix in with the Nats' rotation.

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Jim Johnson traded from O's. I am okay with this but I think the orioles under sold him. Closers are so overvalued they could've gotten more than a project at 2B. Of course the last project they took turned into Chris Davis so what do I know.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1045690]Jim Johnson traded from O's. I am okay with this but I think the orioles under sold him. Closers are so overvalued they could've gotten more than a project at 2B. Of course the last project they took turned into Chris Davis so what do I know.[/quote]

Meh, we were shopping Johnson no matter what. Orioles blew the 3rd most amount of saves all year, which is unacceptable. If you watched the O's this past season, any time JJ got in the game you got nervous.

JJ was up for arbitration, and he would have commanded $10 mil a year, so we shopped him around and got a potential stud at 2nd base. Is Weeks a project? Sure, but I think he fits into the orioles mold (solid defender).

Having said that, I think Johnson will do well in Oakland- and I wish him the best. I'm not the least bit worried about our Bullpen, and I hope we continue to develop our SP's (Gausman, Bundy, etc). God knows we need better production from our rotation.

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[quote=Chico23231;1045663][url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2013/12/02/detroit-tigers-washington-nationals-doug-fister-trade/3822317/]Tigers trade Doug Fister to Nationals[/url]

Nats should be arrested for stealing. Great move, replaces a garbage pick up last year. Fister was probably the least appreciated player on that Tigers team, perfect pitching style to mix in with the Nats' rotation.[/quote]

a) I agree
b) what the hell is Det doing?

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I liked Steve Lombardozzi.

Aw...

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[quote=RobH4413;1045702]Meh, we were shopping Johnson no matter what. Orioles blew the 3rd most amount of saves all year, which is unacceptable. If you watched the O's this past season, any time JJ got in the game you got nervous.

JJ was up for arbitration, and he would have commanded $10 mil a year, so we shopped him around and got a potential stud at 2nd base. Is Weeks a project? Sure, but I think he fits into the orioles mold (solid defender).

Having said that, I think Johnson will do well in Oakland- and I wish him the best. I'm not the least bit worried about our Bullpen, and I hope we continue to develop our SP's (Gausman, Bundy, etc). God knows we need better production from our rotation.[/quote]

I totally agree. No need to pay $10 mil for a closer, I think we could've gotten more for him though since closers are over valued. I actually thought they were going to try to move him last offseason to get another bat.

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[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/jacoby-ellsbury-yankee-deal-stings-robinson-cano-camp-but-bronx-return-still-likely-red-sox-mariners-scott-boras-jay-z-120313]Jacoby Ellsbury signing with New York Yankees stings Robinson Cano's camp - MLB News | FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

lol I'd love to see Cano in a Mariners uni. Nice touch that Boras came in and took Cano's money with quite frankly an insane deal for Ellsbury who injuried every other year.

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Other than Ellsbury's Brady Anderson-like 2011 year, he has no power and can't stay healthy.

Overpaid but I guess taking him away from Boston is a benefit to them.

If he ends up replacing Cano's spot on the roster, huge downgrade. Cano is worth whatever he's asking for in my opinion. He's the Yankees' best player by far, offensively and defensively.




Detroit got ripped off on the Fister deal. He's no Verlander but he's a top starter.

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Yanks are tanking...lost Cano, lost Granderson, lost Hughes, Rivera is retired, A-Rod is banned, Jeter is crippled.

They did pick up McCann and Ellsbury, but they've lost a ton this offseason. Decent OF with Garder/Ellsbury/Soriano but the infield is going to be trash, even if Teixeira and McCann manage to stay healthy.

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[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/the-indians-won-t-have-chief-wahoo-as-their-primary-logo-anymore-010814]The Indians won't have Chief Wahoo as their primary logo anymore | FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

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This Anthony Bosch interview about Arod cheating is amazing. I just can't give Arod the benefit of doubt anymore do to his history. Blood samples taken at a club in Miami? He should never be allowed to play baseball again

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[url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10284817/anthony-bosch-says-alex-rodriguez-paid-12k-per-month]Anthony Bosch says Alex Rodriguez paid him $12K per month - ESPN New York[/url]

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[url=http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/10298436/clayton-kershaw-los-angeles-dodgers-agree-seven-year-deal-worth-215-million]Clayton Kershaw, Los Angeles Dodgers agree to seven-year deal worth $215 million - ESPN Los Angeles[/url]

30mil/yr for a pitcher? Hell for any player. Salaries are beyond stupid in baseball.

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The baseball economics are healthy at the moment.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1055769][url=http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/10298436/clayton-kershaw-los-angeles-dodgers-agree-seven-year-deal-worth-215-million]Clayton Kershaw, Los Angeles Dodgers agree to seven-year deal worth $215 million - ESPN Los Angeles[/url]

30mil/yr for a pitcher? Hell for any player. Salaries are beyond stupid in baseball.[/quote]

You know I gotta agree...I just dont think its a good investment to pay someone who only plays [B]once every five days[/B]. Plus the propensity for shoulder injuries, elbow injuries, with starting pitchers. I think you can find better options for 30 mil. The Dodgers mismanagement over the last 10 years is well documented, but them, like the Yankees, make a ton of money in their markets. For the record, I really enjoy watching Kershaw pitch, big fan.

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To me when considering this you have to first ignore players on first contracts whom you have to scout, draft, develop and keep healthy...all of which makes them basically a totally different animal.

Once you get to established pitchers on second+ contracts the cost of wins goes up almost exponentially.

A pitcher who can win an average amount of games is worth an average amount of money...say $7 mil for 10 wins.

But a pitcher who can win 20 games is worth more like $20 mil (not $14). That's just what these guys get paid. A lot of them.

When you consider his age (25...young), health history(good...very good), stuff (hard to argue he isn't the best pitcher in the league), the length of the contract (only 7 years), and the financial resources of the team I think the money makes as much sense as any contract in sports does. It seems ridiculous on its face but I don't think I could figure out a way to spend the $30 mil per year to get his type of predictable production versus risk.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1055769]Salaries are beyond stupid in baseball.[/quote]

Salaries in every sport are pretty much reflective of how much money the sport makes versus the amount of players. Only in football where the owners have been beyond wildly successful in keeping salaries in check and there are over double the active players is that not exactly the case.

The salaries in the NBA are astounding. League average players playing 18 minutes a game and averaging 5/5 make $10+ mil. Craziness. But there are so few players and the sport makes so much money that even the crap players "small" chunk is huge money.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10331816/masahiro-tanaka-new-york-yankees-agree-seven-year-155-million-deal]Masahiro Tanaka, New York Yankees agree to seven-year, $155 million deal - ESPN New York[/url]

a guy who has never pitched in the majors is going to make an avg of 22 million per season for seven years? folks that money is all guarenteed. Un-f*cking-belivable

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This is not uncommon for the top Japanese pitchers coming over, there's always a bidding war.

It all started with Nomo, then Irabu, Matsuzaka, Igawa, Darvish to name the expensive ones and plenty of others in between.

Nomo, All Star
Irabu killed himself
Matsuzaka, bust
Igawa, bust
Darvish, All Star


Tanaka is said to be worth the money. He was 24-0 in Japan last season.

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[quote=Chico23231;1056756][url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10331816/masahiro-tanaka-new-york-yankees-agree-seven-year-155-million-deal]Masahiro Tanaka, New York Yankees agree to seven-year, $155 million deal - ESPN New York[/url]

a guy who has never pitched in the majors is going to make an avg of 22 million per season for seven years? folks that money is all guarenteed. Un-f*cking-belivable[/quote]


I hope it blows up in the Yanks face much like the Arod signing. Hell, even some of the other signings are coming back to haunt them right now. I imagine they are going to regret the back half of the Teixeira contract which was 8 years in length. You know they already hate the fact they have Sabathia tied up for another 2 more years at a huge price tag while he's on a serious decline.

I enjoy watching the Yanks implode. Their best signing was probably Jacoby Ellsbury, but not sure he's worth 22 mil/season.