How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

I would have no problem with it because we're out of the playoffs, it would protect RGIII from further injury, and Cousins could use the work.

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It would give a chance to showcase Cousins whether it's good or bad.

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If he is your QB going forward then he needs to play out the season. You can't just sit him because NOW you are worried he may get hurt or aggravate the injury. If that was the case, he shouldn't have been playing at all this year. RGIII is the one that needs the work. Time under center will benefit him in the long run, not time on the bench.

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To me its accessing blame to someone who is not to blame at all. How about play some young guys to turn it around and stick with your leader. Its irresponsible and detrimental to the psyche of the team going into the offseason imo.

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Let's call it what is really is, a BS move on Shanny's part to further tick off Snyder. This is Shanny's version of the swinging gate play.

He's not concerned with RG's health, otherwise why trot him out there on a snowy and sloppy field last week? Why didn't he have him sit out the first few games of the season? And why aren't other key players getting sat down to protect them as well?

Calling it anything other than a power play is just naive.

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It doesn't really matter to me as we're already in 3 ring circus mode, but if you're going to sit RG3, you need to sit some of the other vets as well (less Alfmo more Helu, more Lance Lewis and Nick Williams, more Amerson and Minnifield, etc).

Just sitting RG3 and no one else is really just throwing fuel on the "Shanahan has a vendetta" fire.

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[quote=Mattyk;1047665]Let's call it what is really is, a BS move on Shanny's part to further tick off Snyder. This is Shanny's version of the swinging gate play.

He's not concerned with RG's health, otherwise why trot him out there on a snowy and sloppy field last week? Why didn't he have him sit out the first few games of the season? And why aren't other key players getting sat down to protect them as well?

Calling it anything other than a power play is just naive.[/quote]

THIS. If it were not for THIS; I'd be 100% in favor of it.

I still am in favor with the idea of it. Not that its RG3's fault, but I've said since it was obvious we were gonna suck; I'd let Cousins go to be sure RG3 is healthy and try to drive his stock up and trade him. Maybe he sucks and it goes down; but I don't know what the market would really be for the guy.

I cannot wait for December 30th, this season to be over and Shanahan to be gone.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=Mattyk;1047665]Let's call it what is really is, a BS move on Shanny's part to further tick off Snyder. This is Shanny's version of the swinging gate play.

He's not concerned with RG's health, otherwise why trot him out there on a snowy and sloppy field last week? Why didn't he have him sit out the first few games of the season? And why aren't other key players getting sat down to protect them as well?

Calling it anything other than a power play is just naive.[/quote]

Right, and if he sits him he should be fired...which is probably what he wants at this point anyway. Let him go and he can take all three coordinators with him.

Hard for me to believe this is where we are right now considering the optimism I had about 33 months ago.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=Mattyk;1047665]Let's call it what is really is, a BS move on Shanny's part to further tick off Snyder. This is Shanny's version of the swinging gate play.

He's not concerned with RG's health, otherwise why trot him out there on a snowy and sloppy field last week? Why didn't he have him sit out the first few games of the season? And why aren't other key players getting sat down to protect them as well?

Calling it anything other than a power play is just naive.[/quote]

Right. To me its a fireable offense. For cause.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

Snyder should formally forbid it for anything other than a true injury and dare him to do it. Then fire him if he does for cause plain and simple.

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How many games have we gone quarter after quarter w/out scoring any points? W/out getting first downs? Some of these sacks are on the QB for holding the ball and scrambling around when he gets off his first read. What about that pathetic INT last week? Or throwing balls over the heads of wr's? Whatever the reason is for benching RG3, it needs to be done. MS is flat out liar. So what? All NFL coaches lie. Gibbs lied all the time. I just hope he sits Polumbus, Fletcher and a few more.

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You don't sit him even though is playing pretty terribly. Can anyone say he's been put in the best position this year to succeed? The OLine has given basically zero pocket all year. His WRs don't win battles. And they only thing good got hurt(Reed). How does putting Cousins in that any better? Reorganize on offense, go back to square one, try to protect him and let him try and get some confidence back. Benching him only makes a bad situation even worse. And benching him isn't about protecting him anyways...its a ploy. A shameless ploy at that.

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All this will do is hurt Cousin's future trade value, which is partially intentional as far as I'm concerned.

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[quote=mbedner3420;1047676]All this will do is hurt Cousin's future trade value, which is partially intentional as far as I'm concerned.[/quote]

I agree that it will hurt Cousins' trade value. RGIII can at least escape when the line folds, Cousins will just end up taking sack fumbles and looking like a turnover-prone ninny muggins.

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[quote=Schneed10;1047683]I agree that it will hurt Cousins' trade value. RGIII can at least escape when the line folds, Cousins will just end up taking sack fumbles and looking like a turnover-prone ninny muggins.[/quote]

Or he might not hold the ball, get it out quicker and take less sacks.

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While I'm curious to see what Cousins can do, Griffin REALLY needs the work to improve his reading defenses from the pocket, and getting the ball out of his hand more quickly. The O-line is terrible at pass protection, but Grif needs to improve on making his reads and getting rid of the ball in under 3 seconds, which would reduce much of the excess punishment he takes.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

I guess people were already tuned out by the time Cousins came in last week. Expect more of the same.

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Both QBs are going to take hits and play poorly behind that offensive line. I don't know what it is about some people that just fail to realize how much a poor offensive line affects a QB's game. RG3 and Cousins are not Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, or any other veteran QB out there that can overcome a poor offensive line. Hell, a poor offensive line is probably one of the reasons why Eli Manning has 16 INTs in 13 games.

Regardless of how you see it, this is a lose-lose situation for every one but Shanahan.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=Mattyk;1047665]Let's call it what is really is, a BS move on Shanny's part to further tick off Snyder. This is Shanny's version of the swinging gate play.

He's not concerned with RG's health, otherwise why trot him out there on a snowy and sloppy field last week? Why didn't he have him sit out the first few games of the season? And why aren't other key players getting sat down to protect them as well?

Calling it anything other than a power play is just naive.[/quote]

What you say may be true but I don't care if Shanny has some devious reason (or a good one, for that matter) for benching RGIII.

What I care about is getting RGIII off the field so that Kyle doesn't have any more opportunities to do something stupid, like running the Triple Option, to get RGIII seriously injured again. I want the new Head Coach to have a healthy RGIII.

How do you know that Dan Snyder doesn't feel the same way I do, knowing that he is going to be starting over after this season and probably fearing, as I do, that another serious injury to RGIII could be the coup de grace to this horrible season?

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I think the running game last yr covered up the fact that RGIII waits way too long for WR's to get open. You never see RGIII throw a ball anticipating a WR to be at a certain point. Its always after they have made their cuts and if they happen to then get separation. The open window in the NFL is much smaller then college and it seems RGIII does not throw into that small window for whatever reason. With the running game last year we had guys wide open so it was easy and now its not. For him to be successful he has to start anticipating the spot to throw the ball more. I say he needs the work.

I'll add is our line really that bad or do the D's know he holds the ball too long and coming after him. He never seems to check down to his hot read to slow down the rush.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1047684]Or he might not hold the ball, get it out quicker and take less sacks.[/quote]

Like the one Polumbus had to recover last weekend?

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1047690]What you say may be true but I don't care if Shanny has some devious reason (or a good one, for that matter) for benching RGIII.

What I care about is getting RGIII off the field so that Kyle doesn't have any more opportunities to do something stupid, like running the Triple Option, to get RGIII seriously injured again. I want the new Head Coach to have a healthy RGIII.

How do you know that Dan Snyder doesn't feel the same way I do, knowing that he is going to be starting over after this season and probably fearing, as I do, that another serious injury to RGIII could be the coup de grace to this horrible season?[/quote]

Fine, let's sit all the starters then if we're concerned about player health.

I don't want to lose the likes of Morris, Garcon, Williams, Orakpo, etc.

Sit 'em all down.

Why did he take Shanahan 5 games and 24 sacks to finally become concerned about RG?

Play Griffin he needs to be out there

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=Mattyk;1047687]I guess people were already tuned out by the time Cousins came in last week. Expect more of the same.[/quote]

Yeah, the difference was pretty nonexistent...

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

Is Shanahan going to bench Paul for telling the truth:
[url=http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/10/mike-shanahan-expresses-disappointment-over-niles-pauls-critical-comments-about-redskins-special-teams/]Mike Shanahan expresses disappointment over Niles Paul’s critical comments about Redskins’ special teams - The Washington Post[/url]

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

RG3 finishes the year. i dont care how many reasons you have to sit him. if you really want ill double however many u have to not.
if shanahan benches this dude... wow... its gonna be atrocious.. This cannot happen people... it just cant i dont wanna hear it. cousins my ass. our heisman winner is the better player just stop.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=Schneed10;1047683]I agree that it will hurt Cousins' trade value. RGIII can at least escape when the line folds, Cousins will just end up taking sack fumbles and looking like a[B] turnover-prone ninny muggins[/B].[/quote]

Ha! I appreciated the Christmas-eque reference.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1047701]Is Shanahan going to bench Paul for telling the truth:
[url=http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/10/mike-shanahan-expresses-disappointment-over-niles-pauls-critical-comments-about-redskins-special-teams/]Mike Shanahan expresses disappointment over Niles Paul’s critical comments about Redskins’ special teams - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Paul needs to keep it in house, Shanny shouldnt bench him though.

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[quote=Chico23231;1047705]Paul needs to keep it in house, Shanny shouldnt bench him though.[/quote]

I do sort of find it funny when Shanahan tells Paul not to trash other plays directly after he trashed both the team's kicker and punter.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=mbedner3420;1047709]I do sort of find it funny when Shanahan tells Paul not to trash other plays directly after he trashed both the team's kicker and punter.[/quote]

And tossed the OL under the bus as well.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=Mattyk;1047698]Fine, let's sit all the starters then if we're concerned about player health.

I don't want to lose the likes of Morris, Garcon, Williams, Orakpo, etc.

Sit 'em all down.

Why did he take Shanahan 5 games and 24 sacks to finally become concerned about RG?[/quote]

Better still, let's see if the league will let us forfeit the rest of the season so no one gets hurt. (It isn't as though anyone is particularly enthusiastic about watching this train wreck of a team at this point. We're going to lose out -- everyone knows it.)

OK, in all seriousness, what an incredible mess. I cannot recall a team more in disarray that this year's Redskins. Even the Buttfumble Jets have managed to salvage something of a season. Same with the Meangirls Dolphins. Detroit has about 1/3 of its active roster arrested in the last year (the ones that weren't driving while texting and eating burning pizza and crashing their SUVs), and they can at least occasionally put a watchable product on the field. (And, for all our bitching about Vinny, recall that they had Matt Millen -- the Midwest Vinny -- for a long time. Somehow, they have serious weapons on both sides of the ball.) Look at the Patriots -- the little distraction of Hernandez didn't seem to derail that team (nor has the fact that they have little running game and receivers that no one on ths site has ever heard of). But they have their 10 Ws.

I am f_ing sick of it. Nearly 40 years of being a fan, and I cannot recall being more pessimistic about the franchise.

Shanahan -- don't sit RGIII. Don't act like you give a shit now, as the playcalling (by someone over whom I suspect you have some modicum of influence) hasn't reflected great concern for his safety. Let him play and do something -- anything -- to give him a fighting chance out there. If DY is back this week, that ought to help with protection. But the game of football is going to involve the risk of some "owies" (quoth Zorn). Suck it up. Everyone. Get out there and play with a little anger -- let Atlanta feel a little of the frustration you have to be feeling right now. F_ing man up. All of you.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

After that press conference yesterday, where Shanahan contradicted himself several times. I'd have to say he has last his damn mind?

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It would be the single most Shanahan thing he's done here. It would be the grand finale of a four year fireworks show that was not worth attending.

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[quote=Mattyk;1047712]And tossed the OL under the bus as well.[/quote]

That what I was just about to post also, lol...

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=firstdown;1047695]I think the running game last yr covered up the fact that RGIII waits way too long for WR's to get open. You never see RGIII throw a ball anticipating a WR to be at a certain point. Its always after they have made their cuts and if they happen to then get separation. The open window in the NFL is much smaller then college and it seems RGIII does not throw into that small window for whatever reason. With the running game last year we had guys wide open so it was easy and now its not. For him to be successful he has to start anticipating the spot to throw the ball more. I say he needs the work.

I'll add is our line really that bad or do the D's know he holds the ball too long and coming after him. [B]He never seems to check down to his hot read to slow down the rush.[/B][/quote]Except he did check down repeatedly the first half against the Giants, and got into a nice rhythm. He needs to get better at looking off defenders. The INT that he telegraphed to D. Johnson last week should be a good learning experience.

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[quote=calia;1047714]... OK, in all seriousness, what an incredible mess. I cannot recall a team more in disarray that this year's Redskins[.][/quote]

Except that, the disarray has really only come to the fore in the last week or so and then KA-BLAMO industrial sized sh** was hitting an industrial sized fan.

The locker room, by all accounts held together through all of this. It is only after MS started clearly mapping an exit strategy that things went to hell. It started three weeks ago with the listless showing on Monday Night followed by the loss to the Giants. Prior to that, there was a lot of the right things being said by all the right people - even if something was boiling under it all.

Houston fires Kubiak, Mike sees an exit strategy and ta-daaa ... the Man With A Plan, who exerts autocratic control over all football related matters, starts having to deal with "leaks" about his relationship with the QB, his relationship with the owner and with his feelings about last year.

This is the Mike Shanahan ego show - he is simply to brilliant for any failure to be attributed to him.

Over the last four years, I firmly believe he laid a good foundation with some solid young talent and an emphasis on character and team. Unfortunately, he can't seem to leave without doing his best to undo the good he did.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

Trent Williams and Robert Griffin are a nice foundation for the future because it's expensive to find players at those positions, let alone good, young players. Certainly beats Jason Campbell and Stephon Heyer.

The difference of course is that in 2010 we had a mostly complete defensive unit and the ability to invest on offense immediately in order to win. The defensive end of the ball is now going to be a complete rebuild.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

Too late. RG3 should have been benched in weeks 1-4 but instead he did his all in for week 1 thing and Shanny let it happen when he should have been putting the brakes on it. I'm fine with RG3 playing now so he can get more reps in live game action since there's nothing to lose by playing him.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/10/daniel-snyder-wont-intervene-in-redskins-quarterback-decision/]Daniel Snyder won’t intervene in Redskins’ quarterback decision[/url]

Well this is big news

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=mbedner3420;1047731][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/10/daniel-snyder-wont-intervene-in-redskins-quarterback-decision/]Daniel Snyder won’t intervene in Redskins’ quarterback decision[/url]

Well this is big news[/quote]

I'm sure he'd like to but his hands are tied. He comes off as the bad guy if he steps in.