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i jst watched nfl network and according to solomom wilcox were fine with rod gardner.....also according to him santana trade was a bust........tell me what u think about all of this especially da gardner part

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Bit early to call a trade a bust...... :mad:

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lemme reword it he didnt say it was a bust he said it was a bad move nd not close to a upgrade

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]Bit early to call a trade a bust...... :mad:





agree with you, i do.

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According to him the skins would have been fine with 2 players --coles and gardner who didn't want to be there. This is why he is an analyst and not a coach or personnel guy. To me those are just STUPID statements because they have nothing to talk about on the NFL network so lets make some stuff up.

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I watched the samething on the NFL Network and they haven't taken into consideration all the facts. If both Moss and Coles were 100%, ability wise I would take Coles because I think he is an all around better receiver, however, you have to add into the fact of him not wanting to be in Washington and also Coles not being 100%. Still, it's way too early to state it was a bad move.....

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Anyone else remember how bad a move we made with Darryl Gardner?

It just seems to me that the media want the Redskins to lose.

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They'll be the first ones to be like, "We believed in Gibbs all along!" too.

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Malcolm - I've heard very few people say Gibbs can't do it. I've heard a lot more say it will take him time. Which, though we hoped wouldn't be the case, is what he needs. I just hope with a full offseason and a new voice in his ear the offense can change a bit.

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But there have been those, like Bradshaw, who have said he should have never come back

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You named one person, and were you watching that? See how long it took for Bradshaw to say that? I think it was more for effect than anything. Don't get me wrong, announcers change allegiance with the blow of a wind - but I haven't heard many say that he can't do it. That's a little early the first year back, the 2nd I can understand, the 3rd I can definitely see. If there's little to no improvement.

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Solomom Wilcox is a dork and so is the other three monkeys that are on that Playbook show. At the end of the show they each give out an "attaboy" award, and on the one show they gave one to Brian Urlactater for the play where he ran down Portis and nearly ripped his head off with the face mask.

I am not an expert on anything but dont you think that is the wrong message to send out to young kids that could be watching the show? I mean they basicly praised the guy for commiting a very serious penalty, now thats the way to show young viewers how to play the linebacker position!!!

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I'd love to know what some these analysts would have done with the Coles situation? A lot of them are quick to criticize but have no realistic alternative solutions to offer. Guess that's why they are analysts and not coaches and GMs. I have quit listening to them about stuff like this. I will listen to specific player discussion because that is stuff I don't know but when it comes to management, team building and things of that nature most them are clueless. That's why guys like Mortenson of ESPN are valuable. He seems to at least listen to the league GMs and coaches and his opinions reflect what they say not what his unknowing eyes tell him. Usually.

Notice how this time of year Mortensen basically says nothing. He doesn't have any articles up recently and is never on ESPN. Its because this is the time of year for rampant speculation which isn't his business and ridiculous chatter.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]I am not an expert on anything but dont you think that is the wrong message to send out to young kids that could be watching the show? I mean they basicly praised the guy for commiting a very serious penalty, now thats the way to show young viewers how to play the linebacker position!!![/QUOTE]
No kidding. I can't believe the NFL even let them do that with the way they stringently control the content and messages on that network. What an embarassment that group is if this really happened.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Malcolm - I've heard very few people say Gibbs can't do it. I've heard a lot more say it will take him time. Which, though we hoped wouldn't be the case, is what he needs. I just hope with a full offseason and a new voice in his ear the offense can change a bit.[/QUOTE]

Definitely. I was really all about the hire of Musgrave. I was reading more about it and he has been the coach behind a lot of great quarterbacks. I know everyone was afraid that he would "change" the offense. He is quarterback coach and I think he will be great for Ramsey.

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opinions are like backsides, everybody's got one. these guys are just slinging it from hip without any real in depth understanding of what the heck they are talking about. sometimes it just comes down to them likeing to hear themselves talk. coles had to go, showing his rear end the way he did like a little baby shows he's not reay to be the guy. with moss it reamins to be seen. but as you all have in one way or another said it is better to have a man who wants to be here than aman who doesn't.

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[QUOTE=56FAN]opinions are like backsides, everybody's got one.[/QUOTE]

And some of them stink more than others

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amen, and some of them penetrate walls, real pungent ya know ???!!!!

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How would he know if it was a bust before the season even starts. If he thinks the Redskins got a bad deal I would have to agree but our options were very few.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Malcolm - I've heard very few people say Gibbs can't do it. I've heard a lot more say it will take him time. Which, though we hoped wouldn't be the case, is what he needs. I just hope with a full offseason and a new voice in his ear the offense can change a bit.[/QUOTE]

I've heard more media folks say Gibbs has been out of the game too long, they won't give him a chance. UNLESS they are an ex-Redskin in the media, Mark Schlereth, Joe Theismann etc.

It's funny how Parcells gets LESS criticism than Joe, when Parcells is in his SECOND year in the NFL with an identical record to Gibbs who is in his FIRST year. Give Gibbs a break, he needs a chance to get his bearings on the game, and get the personnel he wants in place to fit his system. Parcell's has also made bad moves with his personnel--ie Vinny instead of developing a younger QB , and Eddie George was a bust too. They made one good draft choice in Julius Jones, but I haven't heard of any other pick panning out. Yet the media won't say a bad word about "ST." Parcells.........
Gibbs gets all the criticism, media just hates us, I don't know if it's because of our media perceived "unpolitically correct name", or hatred of our front office.....and it's not just Snyder....they did not much like The Squire either.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]How would he know if it was a bust before the season even starts. If he thinks the Redskins got a bad deal I would have to agree but our options were very few.[/QUOTE]

Most definitely. It was a lose-lose situation.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]But there have been those, like Bradshaw, who have said he should have never come back[/QUOTE]

Bradshaw as I recall was very critical of Gibbs and basically said it's a young man's game nowadays for coaches and the older coaches can't hack it anymore.

Jimmy Johnson was quick to point out coaches like Vermeil, Parcells, Marty, etc., and of course Bradshaw just shrugged his shoulders and didn't have much to say.

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Talking about changing minds, I remember Jimmy Johnson saying he thought the game had passed Joe Gibbs by as well....the thing with Vermeil, Parcells, and Marty must had been an after thought. It's no secret that the media has hounded Joe Gibbs from day one, anybody who can't see that has been living under a rock this past season. The only ones I have noticed that have not given up faith in Gibbs are his ex-players and his coaching friends in the NFL that are closest to him.

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While there has been many varied opinions relative to the return of Joe Gibbs to the Redskins, for some odd reason we seem to always as a franchise fall victum to some form of irresponsible journalism in one venue or another.

Despite our 6-10 record last year I'm convinced of the fact Gibbs did as well as one could honestly expect having been away for 11 years and not knowing his personell to the extent he does now. I never thought it would be fair to Gibbs if we truly expected him to make the team an instant winner in one season. I have the utmost confidence in what Gibbs brings to this franchise and if we exhibit the faith, and patience we need he will get it done.

Forget all those nay-sayers. They all envy our potential for success. We will be winners in 05 and you can take that to the bank!!!

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soo much the sweeter when we hoist the lombardi trophy. break your teeth on this you bunch of nay sayers. he has a plan and will work out. time is the only ingredient to make this cake bake. and then into they'er collective faces.lol lol lol it will be sooooo
shhhhwweett!!!!!!!!!!!

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Let me see if I have this right. The guys on TV who actually played professional football at one time in their life are just winging it and have no particular expertise - - compared to people who post opinions here.

Am I missing something?


Someone also said that everyone criticizes the Coles/Moss situation but offers no constructive suggestions about what should have been done. Not true; I offered an idea about that more than a month ago. Once it became absolutely clear that the Redskins did not want Coles back with them, they should have cut their losses and accpeted his offer to forget his $5M roster bonus in exchange for an outright release. I thought then - and I continue to think now - that the added flexibility that it would have given the Skins with regard to the salary cap would be worth more than Santana Moss will be worth. And remember, Moss is not going to remain a "bargain priced WR" for very long!

There's my suggestion; it hasn't changed in a month. The Skins had a time when they could have done it but they didn't. Whatever... And yes, that's just my opinion so it doesn't make it right, but it does demonstrate that some people actually did have concrete suggestions about how the situation might have turned out better.

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if the skins would have let coles leave and in return got 5 mil. towards the cap , they still would have been criticized. it was a lose lose situation , as far as getting criticized. if and i stress IF santana moss has a good season and the skins improve their win,loss record by 3 or more wins, then these same critics will be praising the trade of coles for moss. especially if coles struggles.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Malcolm - I've heard quiet few people say Gibbs can't do it. I've heard a lot more say it will take him time. Which, though we hoped wouldn't be the case, is what he needs. I just hope with a full offseason and a new voice in his ear the offense can change a bit.[/QUOTE]

But i have heard people say that they don't want to critisize the great gibbs but they feel he just isn't ready. I mean i know that we lost to dallas twice but every media person says parcells is better i mean 2-3 superbowls and parcells needed help in getting those.

Most of the media that critisizes is on fox and ESPN

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]Solomom Wilcox is a dork and so is the other three monkeys that are on that Playbook show. At the end of the show they each give out an "attaboy" award, and on the one show they gave one to Brian Urlactater for the play where he ran down Portis and nearly ripped his head off with the face mask.

I am not an expert on anything but dont you think that is the wrong message to send out to young kids that could be watching the show? I mean they basicly praised the guy for commiting a very serious penalty, now thats the way to show young viewers how to play the linebacker position!!![/QUOTE]

i remember that and i was pissed it feels like the media doesn't like the skins but when we do good they love us. I know that is true for most teams but it just feels that it is worse with us. I remeber that first game there were signs of problems but that week we were going to playoffs in most of the analysts eyes.

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we will hoist the lombardie trophy 2 more times before coach goes

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The NFL network people stir the pot. Keep the controversay building.

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BigSkinBauer - Gibbs didn't have help getting into his Super Bowls? Pettibone, Bugel.

It's silly to think any coach does it on their own.

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Of course the H.C. does'nt do it himself-but over sees it all-his mark will be on the team.