The re-sign Orakpo thread
 

I say we pay him a little more than the next best offer, if that kind of thing can be negotiated. He's been through hell here with two terrible HCs and one terrible DC. He's been consistent with about 10 sacks a season and is playing lights out right now, which you can read two ways. On the one hand you could say Rak is playing for a contract right now and why didn't he give this effort all along? On the other hand you can say we're seeing his best right now, and if we make the right coaching hires after this season, Rak will keep playing to his potential.

And how many great players have we let get away to regret it?

What sayeth the mob?

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I am a Rak believer. We have enough holes, no need to create another. Of course if he gets some ridiculous offer well above his real value I think it would be best to pass...but I mean WELL above value.

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[quote=FRPLG;1049746][B]I am a Rak believer. We have enough holes[/B], no need to create another. Of course if he gets some ridiculous offer well above his real value I think it would be best to pass...but I mean WELL above value.[/quote]
^^^^^^^^^^

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If Kerrigan or rob Jackson stepped up this year, I wouldn't mind letting him walk.

They didnt so orakpo resigning is almost necessary. He will get paid like a top 5 pass rusher, he doesn't play like it but that will probably end being his price tag.

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First question, are we gonna stay 3-4 or 4-3? I think his value is 3-4 OLB now. I hesitate a little if we go 4-3.

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[quote=Chico23231;1049768]First question, are we gonna stay 3-4 or 4-3? I think his value is 3-4 OLB now. I hesitate a little if we go 4-3.[/quote]

I don't think we will go back to a 4-3, and to be honest I don't want us to.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1049770]I don't think we will go back to a 4-3, and to be honest I don't want us to.[/quote]

nor do i, I like the 3-4 and with 3 of our best players (Orakpo, Kerrigan, Coefield) on that defense seem to be better fits with in the 3-4 scheme, you dont change it. You need better coaching at LB and a natural 3-4 DC.

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4-3 please.
Resign Rak before he can test market. If he walks and Haslet stays....

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I don't think we'll do better than Rak. Might as well hold onto him. He's an above average, albeit not elite LB. Above average is good enough for me.

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Rak is a high priority IMO. On a D that lacks playmakers we can't let one get away. Too many holes to fill as it is. As long as the contract makes sense which I'm sure it will with Allen, get it done asap.

With our 33 pick or 34 whatever it'll be , I'd seriously look into LB , I know we need a RT but still

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He needs to be signed long term. Orakpo is arguably the best player on the defense, and obviously the most naturally gifted with remaining upside potential. Since he added the inside move to his pass rush arsenal several weeks ago, he's been a menace.

I'd prefer they didn't break the bank, but give him whatever his market value is. God forbid we keep some home grown talent around here.

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I don't think Orakpo is going to sign a deal with us prior to testing the market. One of the announcers said this past Sunday they talked to Orakpo and he was excited about hitting free agency in his prime. That might also explain his performance the past couple of weeks. Up until week 10 he only had 3 sacks. Not sure how to read into that. I'd like to see us sign him but I just have a feeling he will not be on the team next year.

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[quote=firstdown;1049801]I don't think Orakpo is going to sign a deal with us prior to testing the market. One of the announcers said this past Sunday they talked to Orakpo and he was excited about hitting free agency in his prime. That might also explain his performance the past couple of weeks. Up until week 10 he only had 3 sacks. Not sure how to read into that. I'd like to see us sign him but I just have a feeling he will not be on the team next year.[/quote]

He said it's taken him a while to get confidence back due to the injury. Completely understandable and it's not like the guy ever loafs it. He also wants to stay here.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/11/30/brian-orakpo-getting-his-groove-back-during-late-season-stretch/]Brian Orakpo getting his groove back during late-season stretch[/url]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/04/brian-orakpo-says-his-preference-remains-to-re-sign-with-redskins/]Brian Orakpo says his preference remains to re-sign with Redskins[/url]

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Resign him, I'm tired of seeing 1st round picks like Rogers and Landry leave and getting nothing in return.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1049778]With our 33 pick or 34 whatever it'll be , I'd seriously look into LB , I know we need a RT but still[/quote]

"With the 35th pick of the 2014 NFL Draft the Washington Redskins select:
Shane Skov, MLB, Stanford."

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Rak is the best player on a terrible defense. I know we all like him, but he can't be paid like an elite player. If we have 30-35 million in cap space he could eat up almost one third of that. I hope the Redskins proceed w/ caution here. With as many holes as we have, and w/Jackson and two pass rushers on the bench, I wouldn't be afraid to let him walk.

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What about Brandon Jenkins? Could he step in with help from Tapp and Jackson and do the job? I'd make that gamble and fill other holes ...o-line, MLB and a safety.

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Should we re-sign Orakpo? Yes.

Will we re-sign him? We have so many needs that I think it's very doubtful that we'll be able to re-sign him and still address other needs. So, no.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1049824]"With the 35th pick of the 2014 NFL Draft the Washington Redskins select:
Shane Skov, MLB, Stanford."[/quote]

No thanks. Shane Skov is slower than molasses in January.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1049824]"With the 35th pick of the 2014 NFL Draft the Washington Redskins select:
Shane Skov, MLB, Stanford."[/quote]

That would be awesome!! He's the real deal.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1049778]With our 33 pick or 34 whatever it'll be , I'd seriously look into LB , I know we need a RT but still[/quote]

Gotta be the best player available at any position of need in the early second round.

I'm betting that we sign a RT candidate in FA.

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1049838]Gotta be the best player available at any position of need in the early second round.

I'm betting that we sign a RT candidate in FA.[/QUOTE]

Agree

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1049838][B]Gotta be the best player available at any position of need in the early second round. [/B]

I'm betting that we sign a RT candidate in FA.[/quote]

Agreed. With that pick you look at all positions of need and take the guy out of that pool who will make the most impact.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1049834]No thanks. Shane Skov is slower than molasses in January.[/quote]

Thats what they said about Brandon Spikes amd Luke Kuechly.

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Honestly, Rak is going to flourish in either a 3-4 OR a 4-3. Have to say, it's been pretty impressive watching him get his feet again. Last game was the first game this season I felt like Kerrigan truly benefited because of Orakpo's presence.

We have the money, why not pay the man who has kept his mouth shut, and been a great member of this team. He's not elite, and maybe never will be, but a team can't have enough "very good" football players.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1049868]Thats what they said about Brandon Spikes amd Luke Kuechly.[/quote]

H-m-m-m-m-m. I may need to rethink that, then.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1049832]Will we re-sign him? We have so many needs that I think it's very doubtful that we'll be able to re-sign him and still address other needs. So, no.[/quote]

I just don't see the logic in letting above average, home grown talent walk, and creating another hole that needs to be filled. This team is rarely successful at signing 'value' guys and getting them to perform above their pay grade.

What's wrong with [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]stabilizing[/FONT][/COLOR] a position with a known commodity that gives you above average production? If the other option is rolling the dice on an upside guy just to save some money, I'd prefer the known commodity. Otherwise, you end up getting stuck with Doughty and Wilson as starters, rather than Rogers and Landry.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1049868]Thats what they said about Brandon Spikes amd Luke Kuechly.[/quote]

Amen. Not to mention Burfict who is leading the NFL in tackles I believe?

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[quote=Southpaw;1049887]I just don't see the logic in letting above average, home grown talent walk, and creating another hole that needs to be filled. This team is rarely successful at signing 'value' guys and getting them to perform above their pay grade.

What's wrong with [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]stabilizing[/FONT][/COLOR] a position with a known commodity that gives you above average production? If the other option is rolling the dice on an upside guy just to save some money, I'd prefer the known commodity. Otherwise, you end up getting stuck with Doughty and Wilson as starters, rather than Rogers and Landry.[/quote]

In addition to Orakpo, I'd like to see Rob Jackson extended. He's a quality guy and always provides a little bit of a spark when he comes in.

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If Orakpo walks, replacing him in 2014 would be a team effort. It wouldn't just be one guy. It would be Rob Jackson, Brandon Jenkins, and someone else off the FA market in a Darryl Tapp role.

Ultimately, they would have to replace him in the draft. You can't win without pass rushers in this league, and if you're unwilling to pay the premium for a pass rusher that everyone else is paying, then you have to use the draft to find the next Orakpo. We will not be able to do that in 2014.

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Looks like we'll have the cash to hook him up with a pretty fat signing bonus. Obviously a priority.

I do think we need to address the secondary and o-line... but it worries me because we're going to have to over-pay to bring in mediocre talent.

That, unfortunately, is not a winning formula.

Part of the reason I think we need to replace Shanahan with a players coach (likeable, respected amongst the league). When you suck, and you don't make changes... what incentive other than cash is there to join the skins?

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What is the likelihood of the Skins putting the non exclusive franchise tag on Orakpo? The Skins would only have to offer him 120% of this years salary and be given the choice to match any offer another team made. Plus if he did leave the Skins would get 2 first round draft picks.

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[quote=Hijinx;1049911]What is the likelihood of the Skins putting the non exclusive franchise tag on Orakpo? The Skins would only have to offer him 120% of this years salary and be given the choice to match any offer another team made. Plus if he did leave the Skins would get 2 first round draft picks.[/quote]

Can we get a fact checker on this with real numbers?

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Its about 11 million dollars. Or 1/3 of the cap room from what I heard on the radio today.

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[quote=donofriose;1049915]Its about 11 million dollars. Or 1/3 of the cap room from what I heard on the radio today.[/quote]


If you put the exclusive franchise tag on him he gets the average of the top 5 LBs, that is about $10-11 million. But the non exclusive FT is the lower of that sum or 120% of his 2012 salary, which would be about 6 million. But other in that case other teams can offer him a contract and then the Skins are given the choice to match any offer. If they choose to not match the offer, they would get 2 first round picks as compensation.(in 2015 and 2016)

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[quote=GTripp0012;1049901]If Orakpo walks, replacing him in 2014 would be a team effort. It wouldn't just be one guy. It would be Rob Jackson, Brandon Jenkins, and someone else off the FA market in a Darryl Tapp role.

Ultimately, they would have to replace him in the draft. You can't win without pass rushers in this league, and if you're unwilling to pay the premium for a pass rusher that everyone else is paying, then you have to use the draft to find the next Orakpo. We will not be able to do that in 2014.[/quote]

I agree but the issue I have is are we maximizing Orakpos talent?
Orakpo and Kerrigans primary role is containment under this defense. Only on obvious passing downs do Orakpo and Kerrigan get to rush.
We rarely see tackles for loss because their first move is to stand up the offensive tackle to fill lanes.
You don't pay franchise tag money for a guy to do that. We can pay Rob Jackson the Vet Minimum to do it.

Now if they want to play him like Indy does Robert Mathis, Then pay the man but otherwise it's a waste of a supremely talented player.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1049838]Gotta be the best player available at any position of need in the early second round.

I'm betting that we sign a RT candidate in FA.[/quote]

There are plenty of players I would take, just saying a name there. A few from my list of who will be available who would help us:

Odell Beckham Jr. WR, LSU
Jarvis Landry WR, LSU
Louchiez Purifoy CB, Florida
Stephon Tuitt DE/NT, Notre Dame
Anthony Johnson DT, LSU
LaMarcus Joyner CB/FS, Florida State
Craig Loston S, LSU
Cyril Richardson OT/OG, Baylor
James Hurst OT, UNC
Shane Skov MLB, Stanford
De'Anthony Thomas RB/KR/PR, Oregon
Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama

Anyone of those would be fine with me.

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[quote=Chico23231;1049768]First question, are we gonna stay 3-4 or 4-3? I think his value is 3-4 OLB now. I hesitate a little if we go 4-3.[/quote]

I like him better in a 4-3 actually

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[quote=FRPLG;1049938]I like him better in a 4-3 actually[/quote]

I agree. He's better suited for his hand in the dirt, but if we stick to the 3-4 I hope we get a d-coordinator who can get creative with him and Kerrigan and put them in positions to succeed.