Kirk Cousins A Dime a Dozen
 

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/23/boswell-on-cousins-i-dont-see-anything-terribly-special-there-yet/]Boswell on Cousins: ‘I don’t see anything terribly special there yet’[/url]

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He was a 4th rd pick so .... . I don't think anyone after 3 starts can honestly be cast as , good , great or bust . I would guess if KC has a strong work ethic , great confidence he can develop into a very good qb . RG111 can be great as he was last year with the right team/coaches . OL , DL , DB and I think this could be moving in the right direction .

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My point is, Shanny knew Kirk was Kirk. Why did he lie about 1st round picks and stuff. He did the same things with Beck and we came in to the season just to wiund up with Grossman as the QB. Kirk is no better no worse than Grossman. Mediocre talent level. You can see talent level from his 3 starts.

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[quote=budw38;1051134]He was a 4th rd pick so .... . I don't think anyone after 3 starts can honestly be cast as , good , great or bust . I would guess if KC has a strong work ethic , great confidence he can develop into a very good qb . RG111 can be great as he was last year with the right team/coaches . OL , DL , DB and I think this could be moving in the right direction .[/quote]
Oh.....HELL NO Bud! Three starts is more than enough......
Just ask Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning.....Kurt Warner.....

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1051136]My point is, Shanny knew Kirk was Kirk. Why did he lie about 1st round picks and stuff. He did the same things with Beck and we came in to the season just to wiund up with Grossman as the QB. Kirk is no better no worse than Grossman. Mediocre talent level. You can see talent level from his 3 starts.[/quote]

Don't buy into what Boswell is selling. Boswell is a baseball guy. When it comes to football, he couldn't find his own ass using both hands. He even contradicts himself by admitting that Kirk could be worth a second round draft pick to another team. Would an NFL team team send us a second round pick for the equivalent of Rex Grossman?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1051161]Don't buy into what Boswell is selling. Boswell is a baseball guy. When it comes to football, he couldn't find his own ass using both hands. He even contradicts himself by admitting that Kirk could be worth a second round draft pick to another team. Would an NFL team team send us a second round pick for the equivalent of Rex Grossman?[/quote]

Second year Rex Grossman you would get a 1st round pick.

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Washington Post will stop at nothing to hurt Snyder and the franchise. Screw Boswell, we are trying to build trade value.

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[quote=Hog1;1051152]Oh.....HELL NO Bud! Three starts is more than enough......
Just ask Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning.....Kurt Warner.....[/quote]

You need at least one year of him winning ROY and needing surgery on his knee for us to judge him a bust.

Oh wait. Wrong QB.

Washington has no patience. Owner, Fans, Coach. Doesn't matter. It's cursed.

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OK, before christmas is over, who hasn't been trashed in the press? Any new articles on our OL still not liking our QB? Any dirt on London? Santana? Our cheerleaders?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1051196]OK, before christmas is over, who hasn't been trashed in the press? Any new articles on our OL still not liking our QB? Any dirt on London? Santana? Our cheerleaders?[/quote]

If there is dirt on our cheerleaders I want to know about it. Check that, I want to see it.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1051136]My point is, Shanny knew Kirk was Kirk. Why did he lie about 1st round picks and stuff. He did the same things with Beck and we came in to the season just to wiund up with Grossman as the QB. Kirk is no better no worse than Grossman. Mediocre talent level. You can see talent level from his 3 starts.[/quote]

Shanny said "judge him on Beck and Grossman" I do just that with Cousins. Cousins is Beck/Grossman. 18 throws to Garcon against the Cowboys all check/stare-downs, what a game plan? The decision to draft Griffin will pay off and I hope that Shanny is no where near Ashburn when it happens.

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[quote=Hog1;1051152]Oh.....HELL NO Bud! Three starts is more than enough......
Just ask Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning.....Kurt Warner.....[/quote]

LOL ...... Merry Christmas .

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[quote=Schneed10;1051204]If there is dirt on our cheerleaders I want to know about it. Check that, I want to see it.[/quote]

If you find out about it . . . blackmail might allow you to be part of it!! good luck!!

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1051118][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/23/boswell-on-cousins-i-dont-see-anything-terribly-special-there-yet/]Boswell on Cousins: ‘I don’t see anything terribly special there yet’[/url][/quote]

Regarding the article, Cooley said bos didn't know what he was talking about.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1051136]My point is, Shanny knew Kirk was Kirk. Why did he lie about 1st round picks and stuff. He did the same things with Beck and we came in to the season just to wiund up with Grossman as the QB. Kirk is no better no worse than Grossman. Mediocre talent level. You can see talent level from his 3 starts.[/quote]

I think Kirk has done a great job so far. The last drive of the game, our players had no idea where they should be. He put us in position to win both games. Furthermore, if these games tell you Kirk is not so good then RG3-11 should just be cut. He has shown that he is worse than Rex. In my opinion, we still have to wait and see about RG3, but he has shown himself to be very inept at running an NFL offense so far. I hope we get a new coach that is a good groomer of QB's to come in and teach RG3 and Kirk and let the best man be our franchise QB.

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I'm just saying... Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. That is all.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;1051300]I think Kirk has done a great job so far. The last drive of the game, our players had no idea where they should be. He put us in position to win both games. Furthermore, if these games tell you Kirk is not so good then RG3-11 should just be cut. He has shown that he is worse than Rex. In my opinion, we still have to wait and see about RG3, but he has shown himself to be very inept at running an NFL offense so far. I hope we get a new coach that is a good groomer of QB's to come in and teach RG3 and Kirk and let the best man be our franchise QB.[/quote]

I agree. Have them compete. Start the winner. Trade the loser. Then there's no potential QB controversy to distract the team and we've forward. Only keep them both if neither sets themselves apart from the other in camp.

[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;1051300]I think Kirk has done a great job so far. The last drive of the game, our players had no idea where they should be. He put us in position to win both games. Furthermore, if these games tell you Kirk is not so good then RG3-11 should just be cut. He has shown that he is worse than Rex. In my opinion, we still have to wait and see about RG3, but he has shown himself to be very inept at running an NFL offense so far. I hope we get a new coach that is a good groomer of QB's to come in and teach RG3 and Kirk and let the best man be our franchise QB.[/QUOTE]

Lmao now he's RG3-11? Haha wow

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People act like last year never happen.

[QUOTE=Bucket;1051306]People act like last year never happen.[/QUOTE]

Yeah pretty crazy and dumb

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1051304]Lmao now he's RG3-11? Haha wow[/quote]

Some people revel in misery and choose to focus their attention there and try to draw others into it as well. They usually are pretty obvious so don't even bother engaging in their reindeer gsmes.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051303]I agree. Have them compete. Start the winner. Trade the loser. Then there's no potential QB controversy to distract the team and we've forward. Only keep them both if neither sets themselves apart from the other in camp.[/quote]

Did you check Kirk's numbers? They are worse than RG3's numbers. Plus Kirk played the worse defenses in the league and still lost. It's the same thing as with Rex he will tease you for a minute but can't win.

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Cousins has had his share of growing pains. It's obvious our problems go well beyond the QB spot.

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No one can separate and catch a ball but Garcon. That's the issue.

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[quote=scowan;1051322]No one can separate and catch a ball but Garcon. That's the issue.[/quote]

Yeah our wr's outside of Garcon seem to be sub par. However, New England isn't trotting out all stars and they're still getting the job done. I'm starting to wonder if we have coaches that are capable of developing our players.

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[quote=scowan;1051322]No one can separate and catch a ball but Garcon. That's the issue.[/quote]

I'm looking more at the defense and special teams.

The offense does enough to win games. Those other 2 units are just horrible.

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[quote=Bucket;1051306]People act like last year never happen.[/quote]

I think everyone loves what RG3 did last year. However, it's apparent that RG3 isn't going to hold up running for 800 yards and we can't win with the pass offense we saw this year while he was playing. RG3 has said himself he wants to be Aaron Rodgers. He's made that known to the coaches. Problem is he's still a project in the pro pass game and there's pressure for him to perform now because of the ridiculous trade. Should be an interesting off season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1051323]Yeah our wr's outside of Garcon seem to be sub par. However, New England isn't trotting out all stars and they're still getting the job done. [B]I'm starting to wonder if we have coaches that are capable of developing our players[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

You're just now [U]starting[/U] to wonder about the capabilities of this coaching staff?

C'mon, man!

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Agree with all of the comments. Special teams and Defense are both truly terrible this year, but when Garcon catches 11 balls in a game and the most the next guy has is 2, something is wrong with the other players. I can't imagine that every play is suppose to go to Garcon.

Big changes needed to Special Teams and Defense, but this team has to money next year to make it happen. I just hope its not Shannahan doing the picking and spending.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/what-can-the-washington-redskins-get-if-they-trade-quarterback-kirk-cousins/2013/12/26/b08b81fa-6e58-11e3-a5d0-6f31cd74f760_story.html]What can the Washington Redskins get if they trade quarterback Kirk Cousins? - The Washington Post[/url]

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I have to believe that Redskins fans have to be the most "knee-jerk reacting" fans in the entire league. I mean, RGIII has one great year and it's time to enshrine him in the Hall of Fame. Has a bad second year (do to injury no doubt), and he's mentioned in the same category as a bust and people are wanting to trade him. Kirk Cousins comes out and plays decently - basically like how a normal second year fourth round draft pick back up quarterback would play - and he's a dime a dozen. OR, he's a superstar. One extreme or the other!

Come on guys!

Which would you rather have: A combination of RGIII/Cousins, or John Beck/Rex Grossman? I would take my chances with the former. And I would also make sure those two quarterbacks are on the same roster next year as well. Seriously, this is the best depth the 'skins has had at quarterback in a long, long time. There are more serious issues that need addressing - but quarterback is not one!

Special teams, alone, have lost the 'skins some games this year. Defense has lost games for this team as well. Offensive pass protection has been bad for most of the season - and it's gotten worse. The only time I feel it's necessary to complain about quarterback play is when the offensive line is as stout and solid - to the liken of the old hogs. When the defense is solid and stingy, and the special teams makes big plays for the 'skins and NOT for the other team. Then if the Redskins are still losing games, then we need to take a long hard look at the quarterback. Heck, even if all the 'skins are able to improve on is pass protection and special teams - that might be enough to give a good long look at quarterback, but as far as I'm concerned, this team needs to overall some very glaring issues first before we start crapping on RGIII or Kirk Cousins.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/24/kirk-cousins-says-he-thinks-hes-made-improvement/]Kirk Cousins says he thinks he’s made improvement[/url]

[COLOR="Black"][B]Cousins had all the first team reps in OTAs , training camp, and preseason.[/B][/COLOR] He should have a rapport with the receiving corps and coaches (LeFleur). They like how he is coachable, yet they had all this time and all they get outta him is mediocrity. It's the coaches in my opinion looking for excuses. Cousins gives the coaches (LeFleur)the best chance because he got all the offseason practice reps. But the coaches (LeFleur)are mediocre and the results are mediocre.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1051340][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/24/kirk-cousins-says-he-thinks-hes-made-improvement/"]Kirk Cousins says he thinks he’s made improvement[/URL]

[COLOR=black][B]Cousins had all the first team reps in OTAs , training camp, and preseason.[/B][/COLOR] He should have a rapport with the receiving corps and coaches (LeFleur). They like how he is coachable, yet they had all this time and all they get outta him is mediocrity. It's the coaches in my opinion looking for excuses. Cousins gives the coaches (LeFleur)the best chance because he got all the offseason practice reps. But the coaches (LeFleur)are mediocre and the results are mediocre.[/quote]

Dude we get it. You're RG3's dad. lol.

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Here's where I stand on the young QB's:

1. I think they both have the ability to be starters in the NFL.
2. I'd like to keep both of them for at least one more season.
3. I see no reason to have an open competition. RGIII is #1.
4. Both young QB's need to work with outstanding QB teachers in the off-season.
5. The Redskins need to hire the best QB coach they can get for next season.

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I wouldn't mind keeping both but if offered a second for cousins you have to take it. Cousins hasn't done anything to cause a qb controversy since he got the start. I think a lot of rg3 haters are realizing rg3 wasn't the problem with the team.

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[quote=Chico23231;1051351]I wouldn't mind keeping both but if offered a second for cousins you have to take it. Cousins hasn't done anything to cause a qb controversy since he got the start. I think a lot of rg3 haters are realizing rg3 wasn't the problem with the team.[/quote]

Every time I think of trading Cousins for a pick I think of LeRibust.

I wonder if anyone ever deepfried buffalo wings wrapped in bacon?

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Perhaps with a BlueBell and Peanut butter dipping sauce?

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The secret ingredient is lard.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1051355]Every time I think of trading Cousins for a pick I think of LeRibust.[/quote]

With a new coach maybe Le Rib can turn it around.