Which other NFL HC's might be fired?
 

So far, four coaches have been fired. They are Mike Shanahan, Leslie Frazier, Rob Chudzinski and Gary Kubiak.

Who else do you think might be fired?

What effect do you think that the current and potential HC openings will have on the Redskins' search for a new HC?

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With all the horror stories about working with Greg Schiano, I don't see him holding onto a job.

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Jim Schwartz, making that opening the most attractive opening after Houston in my opinion.

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Kubrick, Schiano, Shanahan are the three who most deserved the pink slip. Garrett isn't in the class of those three, but I'm going to be very happy if Dallas keeps him.

The 28 others are all employable as NFL head coaches. Not necessarily great coaches, but you can win with them.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1052024]With all the horror stories about working with Greg Schiano, I don't see him holding onto a job.[/quote]

True but the Bucs played better in the second half after a horrible first half. It might have been enough to let him keep his job.

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[quote=donofriose;1052036]Jim Schwartz, making that opening the most attractive opening after Houston in my opinion.[/quote]I think Detroit is a disaster zone for at least two more seasons and probably a rebuilding project after that.

That team isn't a coach away from being good. They're bad and screwed financially.

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Good news out of Dallas!

[url=http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/10214029/jerry-jones-reiterates-previous-commitment-jason-garrett]Jerry Jones reiterates previous commitment to Jason Garrett - ESPN Dallas[/url]

3 straight years of "win the final game = win the division" and 3 years in a row they haven't been division champions. I'm glad to hear Jerry is doing the right thing here.

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[quote=mooby;1052045]Good news out of Dallas!

[URL="http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/10214029/jerry-jones-reiterates-previous-commitment-jason-garrett"]Jerry Jones reiterates previous commitment to Jason Garrett - ESPN Dallas[/URL][/quote]

lol they love being 8-8 apparently

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Jason Garrett is in the bottom 3 of coaching in the league. no question imo. He is just a yes man, and Jerry loves that.

Callahan and Kiffen should be gone.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1052044]I think Detroit is a disaster zone for at least two more seasons and probably a rebuilding project after that.

That team isn't a coach away from being good. They're bad and screwed financially.[/quote]

Detroit has a lot of talent yet they play like an undisciplined mob. Haven't they underachieved? Isn't Jim Schwartz part of the problem?

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[quote=Mattyk;1052046]lol they love being 8-8 apparently[/quote]

Guess it's easy to get hooked on mediocrity.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1052051]Guess it's easy to get hooked on mediocrity.[/quote]

We aspire to mediocrity.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1052053]We aspire to mediocrity.[/quote]

I'd love to see an 8-8 season next year. That's a win for me. :D

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[quote=GTripp0012;1052044]I think Detroit is a disaster zone for at least two more seasons and probably a rebuilding project after that.

That team isn't a coach away from being good. They're bad and screwed financially.[/quote]

Redskins are more of a rebuilding project than the Lions. They have playmakers at all three levels of their defense. Good offensive weapons, a good line, not great, but I would take their Oline has a whole over the Skins current offensive line.

Stafford has thrown more than 40 td passes in the NFL in one season. He can play he just needs better coaching. He is not the best QB in the NFL but he can play.

Not sure about their cap situation though.

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[quote=mooby;1052045]Good news out of Dallas!

[url=http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/10214029/jerry-jones-reiterates-previous-commitment-jason-garrett]Jerry Jones reiterates previous commitment to Jason Garrett - ESPN Dallas[/url]

3 straight years of "win the final game = win the division" and 3 years in a row they haven't been division champions. I'm glad to hear Jerry is doing the right thing here.[/quote]

More good news today. I think I'll send Jerruh a thank-you note.

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[quote=donofriose;1052062]Redskins are more of a rebuilding project than the Lions. They have playmakers at all three levels of their defense. Good offensive weapons, a good line, not great, but I would take their Oline has a whole over the Skins current offensive line.

Stafford has thrown more than 40 td passes in the NFL in one season. He can play he just needs better coaching. He is not the best QB in the NFL but he can play.

Not sure about their cap situation though.[/quote]Redskins have less talent right now, but that's going to flip the other way in March when the Lions release useful pieces and the Redskins sign some.

Stafford has benefited from his defense, coaches, and offensive teammates. He's just a poor thrower of the football. Bottom line. He's not poorly coached. Linehan runs a qb friendly system, and they've given him proper development. That offensive line is very good at protecting a qb too.

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[quote=Chico23231;1052047]Jason Garrett is in the bottom 3 of coaching in the league. no question imo. He is just a yes man, and Jerry loves that.

Callahan and Kiffen should be gone.[/quote]
That's just it. Jones sees a head coach as nothing more than an organizer. He helps lead the team, but pushes schemes down to the coordinators. So it's easy to see Garrett stay on as a coach until the team and players can't get behind him. Jones can get consistency with Garrett, but change beneath him to assure they get better.

The Cowboys took a chance on firing Rob Ryan and hiring Kiffin and now they'll fire Callahan and Kiffin and get 2 more coordinators. I could see Haslett end up down there, running the Cowboys 4-3.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1052049]Detroit has a lot of talent yet they play like an undisciplined mob. Haven't they underachieved? Isn't Jim Schwartz part of the problem?[/quote]
I don't think Schwartz is part of the solution. The bigger problem with Schwartz is if the Lions decide to fire his assistants just so they don't have to fire a coach with a large buyout. The Lions aren't going to be able to get assistants to work under Schwartz who are better than what they have.

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[quote=donofriose;1052062]Redskins are more of a rebuilding project than the Lions. [B]They have playmakers at all three levels of their defense[/B]. Good offensive weapons, a good line, not great, but I would take their Oline has a whole over the Skins current offensive line.

Stafford has thrown more than 40 td passes in the NFL in one season. He can play he just needs better coaching. He is not the best QB in the NFL but he can play.

Not sure about their cap situation though.[/quote]

Who are the back end playmakers??

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I assumed Schwartz would be the first one to go. Talk about a team that underachieved.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1052076]Who are the back end playmakers??[/quote]

Well, you know they got that one guy, I think his name is Justin Durant, plays lb, pretty decent? And they got that guy in the secondary, don't know his name but I'm sure he's pretty decent, other than the fact that their secondary is terrible and one of the biggest reasons they keep losing games.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1052070]Redskins have less talent right now, but that's going to flip the other way in March when the Lions release useful pieces and the Redskins sign some.

Stafford has benefited from his defense, coaches, and offensive teammates. He's just a poor thrower of the football. Bottom line. He's not poorly coached. Linehan runs a qb friendly system, and they've given him proper development. That offensive line is very good at protecting a qb too.[/quote]

I'm not sure I would call him a poor thrower. He plays sloppy at times but his talent level is unquestioned. I'm sure there are many offensive coaches that would love to take that job. That one is probably a better one than here.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1052076]Who are the back end playmakers??[/quote]

Louis Delmas, he is one of the better safeties in the NFL. He is better than anything Washington has that is for sure.

Bucs just fired Greg Schiano.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/417697102148272128

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surprised he made it as long as he did.

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I hope we don't end up waiting too long for a coach and have to settle for Zorn part 2.

If they have a guy they want that isn't on a playoff team, they need to get him to sign before other teams can show interest.

I'm hoping for a Lovie Smith hire this week.

I get the feeling they might wait for Jay Gruden and if he stiff us, we will be screwed again.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10215190/jim-schwartz-fired-detroit-lions-head-coach]Jim Schwartz fired as Detroit Lions head coach - ESPN[/url]

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How would you rank the openings?

1. Detroit - Most talent in place. Have QB.
2. Washington - QB in place. Money to spend.
3. Cleveland - Some very good talent. Need QB.
4. Houston - Good foundation. Need QB.
5. Tampa - Improved defense. Need QB. Good weather.
6. Minn - Aging stars. Need QB. Bad weather.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1052125]How would you rank the openings?

1. Detroit - Most talent in place. Have QB.
2. Washington - QB in place. Money to spend.
3. Cleveland - Some very good talent. Need QB.
4. Houston - Good foundation. Need QB.
5. Tampa - Improved defense. Need QB. Good weather.
6. Minn - Aging stars. Need QB. Bad weather.[/quote]

1. Houston
2. Tampa
3. Washington
4. Minnesota
5. Cleveland
6. Detroit

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1052125]How would you rank the openings?

1. Detroit - Most talent in place. Have QB.
2. Washington - QB in place. Money to spend.
3. Cleveland - Some very good talent. Need QB.
4. Houston - Good foundation. Need QB.
5. Tampa - Improved defense. Need QB. Good weather.
6. Minn - Aging stars. Need QB. Bad weather.[/quote]

1. Detroit - Agree on Talent
2. Houston - Good Defense, Best defensive player in the NFL, some good talent on offense, and number one overall pick.
3. Washington - Talent at QB. Defense is just terrible.
4. Cleveland - Like you said, just need a QB
5. Tampa - Lavonte David is a beast. A few other good players. Franchise seems willing to spend money to resign players or go after other players.
6. Minnesota - No stadium next year and just a bad situation.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1052125]How would you rank the openings?

1. Detroit - Most talent in place. Have QB.
2. Washington - QB in place. Money to spend.
3. Cleveland - Some very good talent. Need QB.
4. Houston - Good foundation. Need QB.
5. Tampa - Improved defense. Need QB. Good weather.
6. Minn - Aging stars. Need QB. Bad weather.[/quote]

I think Houston is the most attractive job, due to the tremendous talent on both sides of the ball, as well as their draft picks. Houston's biggest problems this season were with undisciplined play and poor play-calling. They do need a QB, but they have the first overall pick. If I'm a HC candidate, I go to Houston.

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Bucs completely cleaned house, fired GM Domenik along with Schiano.

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[quote=donofriose;1052129]1. Detroit - Agree on Talent
2. Houston - Good Defense, Best defensive player in the NFL, some good talent on offense, and number one overall pick.
3. Washington - Talent at QB. Defense is just terrible.
4. Cleveland - Like you said, just need a QB
5. Tampa - Lavonte David is a beast. A few other good players. Franchise seems willing to spend money to resign players or go after other players.
6. Minnesota - No stadium next year and just a bad situation.[/quote]

To me, having a QB in place is a big deal. That's why I ranked DET and WAS 1-2. But I can understand why others might rank the HOU and CLE jobs ahead of WAS.

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[quote=donofriose;1052089]Louis Delmas, he is one of the better safeties in the NFL. He is better than anything Washington has that is for sure.[/quote]

I concede this. I think Reed Doughty is an awesome person, I'm just tired of seeing him start for us. Every year it seems "let's upgrade so no more Doughty" and yet every year he ends up starting a large chunk of games for us. And Meriweather has been unspectacular.

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[quote=Chico23231;1052047]Jason Garrett is in the bottom 3 of coaching in the league. no question imo. He is just a yes man, and Jerry loves that.

Callahan and Kiffen should be gone.[/quote]
Kiffen should be run out of town. Marinelli deserves a pay raise. For what he had to work with all season, Marinelli did a great job.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1052150]Kiffen should be run out of town. Marinelli deserves a pay raise. For what he had to work with all season, Marinelli did a great job.[/quote]

True. I wonder if Marinelli will become your new DC since IMO Kiffen is a dead man walking.

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Schwartz has fulfilled his purpose. He took a cellar-dweller and got it to mediocrity. But now he's a fetter on the Lion's talent and I'm more than happy to see his ass go. Really he should have been gone last year.

Some of us in the Lion's fandom are calling for Martin Mayhew's head too but I don't really have [I]too[/I] much of a problem with him being retained. Aside from his second round draft woes, he's more or less done his job with getting talent on the field. They just haven't been coached well enough. That's on Schwartz and his staff.

I hope we get an offensive-minded guy who can make the most of Stafford. Because God knows while he will never be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, I think with the right coaching he can bee good [I]enough[/I], e.g. a Flacco or an Eli.

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[quote=HonoluluBlue;1052162]Schwartz has fulfilled his purpose. He took a cellar-dweller and got it to mediocrity. But now he's a fetter on the Lion's talent and I'm more than happy to see his ass go. Really he should have been gone last year.

Some of us in the Lion's fandom are calling for Martin Mayhew's head too but I don't really have [I]too[/I] much of a problem with him being retained. Aside from his second round draft woes, he's more or less done his job with getting talent on the field. They just haven't been coached well enough. That's on Schwartz and his staff.[/quote]

The Lions are [I]almost[/I] there. It seems like they have the pieces in place but can never get over that hump.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1052163]The Lions are [I]almost[/I] there. It seems like they have the pieces in place but can never get over that hump.[/quote]

As I see it three pieces are needed:

1) A competent coach

2) A true #2 WR (seriously, our receiving corps sans Megatron is a joke)

3) Get Stafford to improve his mechanics and turnovers (no more sidearm crap)