Dan Snyder: WP: Formula for Success Article
 

An interesting article on Dan Snyder from The Washington Post.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/daniel-snyder-washington-redskins-owner-still-struggles-to-find-formula-for-success/2014/01/04/5d86bfa4-74a4-11e3-bc6b-712d770c3715_story.html"]Daniel Snyder, Washington Redskins owner, still struggles to find formula for success - The Washington Post[/URL]

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Snyder made so many mistakes as an owner...firing Norv when the Redskins were still in playoff contention, firing Marty after the team won 8 of its last 11, hiring Spurrier when he wasn't qualified....now that he has a real football man Bruce Allen running his team all he has to do is watch and be patient for a SB to come.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/01/14/clinton-portiss-defense-of-dan-snyder/]Clinton Portis’s defense of Dan Snyder[/url]

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is the story of Snyder being the reason we got McNabb instead of Bulger a lie or truth?

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LOL, formula for success. awesome change up

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I can't wait for the day when those Washington Post columnists are all run out of D.C.! Of course, that will probably happen once the 'skins win a Super Bowl - but I just have this feeling things are coming together.

Love the article about Clinton Portis. Does make you wonder - everybody else paints Snyder as a villain, but how many of the Redskins players who meant anything to this team has ever said anything bad about the guy? I'm sure he's no saint, but still, I'd love to be a fly on the wall during some of those conversations.

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Charlie Casserly says it exactly right in my opinion:
(from the article)
“What’s happened is this guy gets beaten up because people want to beat him up,” said Casserly, who was fired by Snyder in 1999. “He’s done what people have told him to do, and people are still taking shots at him and not looking at the thing objectively.”

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1055625]Charlie Casserly says it exactly right in my opinion:
(from the article)
“What’s happened is this guy gets beaten up because people want to beat him up,” said Casserly, who was fired by Snyder in 1999. “He’s done what people have told him to do, and people are still taking shots at him and not looking at the thing objectively.”[/quote]

And this is coming from a GM who got fired by Snyder - taking up for Dan.

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Also, looking at the tagline, it should be called the Anti Snyder Squad (or A.S.S. for short):

[QUOTE]Jason Reid, Mike Jones, Mike Wise, Sally Jenkins and Kent Babb contributed to this report.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1055631]Also, looking at the tagline, it should be called the Anti Snyder Squad (or A.S.S. for short):[/quote]

exactly, completely slanted opinion. love to see these guys find new jobs

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One thing I've learned about having my own business is business owners, no matter how big or small, want to be involved in what's going on. I haven't met one that's truly hands off. Snyder is no different. He's a very successful business man who made his money on his own. I think his commercialization of the Redskins does get in the way of him building a winner. He always wants the quick fix that's going to make the headlines. There's a certain pattern under his ownership....trade draft picks, sign free agents, stay in the news, sell jerseys, win the off season. What has it gotten him? A lot of losing. At best a 10 win season ... and one of those was really a team Casserly put together.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1055673]One thing I've learned about having my own business is business owners, no matter how big or small, want to be involved in what's going on. I haven't met one that's truly hands off. Snyder is no different. He's a very successful business man who made his money on his own. I think his commercialization of the Redskins does get in the way of him building a winner. He always wants the quick fix that's going to make the headlines. There's a certain pattern under his ownership....trade draft picks, sign free agents, stay in the news, sell jerseys, win the off season. What has it gotten him? A lot of losing. [B]At best a 10 win season[/B] ... and one of those was really a team Casserly put together.[/quote]

Didn't we win 10 games in 2012?

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Meaning the most he's had in one year is 10 wins.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1055673]One thing I've learned about having my own business is business owners, no matter how big or small, want to be involved in what's going on. I haven't met one that's truly hands off. Snyder is no different. He's a very successful business man who made his money on his own. I think his commercialization of the Redskins does get in the way of him building a winner. He always wants the quick fix that's going to make the headlines. There's a certain pattern under his ownership....trade draft picks, sign free agents, stay in the news, sell jerseys, win the off season. What has it gotten him? A lot of losing. At best a 10 win season ... and one of those was really a team Casserly put together.[/QUOTE]

Can't argue this

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Teams aren't getting rich from jerseys or merch. Gets really tiring to hear that.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1055697]Teams aren't getting rich from jerseys or merch. Gets really tiring to hear that.[/QUOTE]

No but I think he's just trying to voice his frustration out and we all are frustrated, as is Dan and everyone in the organization I'm sure.

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i thought we all came to a spontaneous and unspoken agreement not to comment on this article/thread bc we all know and are over talking about how DS sucks and loves this team like Lennie loved soft furry things ..... it almost happened.

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I say we sue Shannahan for breech of trust. He runined my NFL package I bought.

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For as bad as the Snyder era has been, there are worse owners out there.. Remember Mike Brown was far worse than Snyder has ever been just a short time ago but Marvin Lewis came in and fixed the on field product and you don't hear about Brown anymore.

Winning cures all woes. Let us make the playoffs 3 out of 5 years, advance to a conference championship game or God forbid win a SB, he will all of the sudden be considered one of the better owners in the league.

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[quote=over the mountain;1055701]i thought we all came to a spontaneous and unspoken agreement not to comment on this article/thread bc we all know and are over talking about how DS sucks and loves this team like Lennie loved soft furry things ..... it almost happened.[/quote]

We were so close

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[quote=Mattyk;1055697]Teams aren't getting rich from jerseys or merch. Gets really tiring to hear that.[/quote]

Of course not. My point was there is a track record of over saturated marketing and making headlines. That's his right as a business man and owner of the team. I just wish it translated into more wins.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1055736]Of course not. My point was there is a track record of over saturated marketing and making headlines. That's his right as a business man and owner of the team. I just wish it translated into more wins.[/quote]

I do to. I think too many people correlate it with loses in a causal way though and I fail to see how any perceived over-marketing (or whatever) has anything to do with the on-field product.

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[quote=Mattyk;1055697]Teams aren't getting rich from jerseys or merch. Gets really tiring to hear that.[/quote]Asking for clarification: I guess you mean individual teams don't make much that way on their own? According to [URL="http://www.pellegrinoandassociates.com/top-five-revenue-sources-that-drive-value-for-the-nfl/"]this[/URL], merch is a big part of what I assume is shared revenue.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1055756]Asking for clarification: I guess you mean individual teams don't make much that way on their own? According to [URL="http://www.pellegrinoandassociates.com/top-five-revenue-sources-that-drive-value-for-the-nfl/"]this[/URL], merch is a big part of what I assume is shared revenue.[/quote]

That link only mentions gross sales, not profit from merch.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1055736]Of course not. My point was there is a track record of over saturated marketing and making headlines. That's his right as a business man and owner of the team. I just wish it translated into more wins.[/quote]

Do you really think it's him or the market he's in? Around 2000, you could say that, but here we are again, rehashing past sins that are more than a decade old. Even the MEDIA that vilified him during those same years has said he truly has taken a back seat approach. I can see him saying, "Wow, I'd like player x, but hey, your decision." at the VERY worst.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1055756]Asking for clarification: I guess you mean individual teams don't make much that way on their own? According to [URL="http://www.pellegrinoandassociates.com/top-five-revenue-sources-that-drive-value-for-the-nfl/"]this[/URL], merch is a big part of what I assume is shared revenue.[/quote]

Sure it's a significant revenue stream, but big picture teams make much more profit by consistently putting winning teams on the field.

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[quote=FRPLG;1055755]I do to. I think too many people correlate it with loses in a causal way though and I fail to see how any perceived over-marketing (or whatever) has anything to do with the on-field product.[/quote]

i think being the champs of the offseason = refreshed hope = increased season ticket sales = one of the most profitable NFL franchises

i do think DS was smart in constantly rebranding the redskins which i do believe was an intentional strategy and approach. whether it be signing a big FA or new coach.

but it really is water under the bridge for me. i think ive finally let go of the past 15 years of disfunction and pointing blame.

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[quote=over the mountain;1055701]i thought we all came to a spontaneous and unspoken agreement not to comment on this article/thread bc we all know and are over talking about how [B]DS sucks and loves this team like Lennie loved soft furry things[/B] ..... it almost happened.[/quote]

That's the perfect metaphor.
As to your point, it was surprising to see this thread pop up so long after the article was published. Oh well.

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One can't deny Snyder's [U]incredible[/U] success in business, before and with the Skins. But as far as the team goes, a title: "Dan Snyder: Formula for Success" reminds me of the jokes about books like these:

Amelia Earhart's Guide to the Pacific Ocean

America's Most Popular Lawyers

Career Opportunities for History Majors

Detroit - A Travel Guide

Different Ways to Spell "Bob"

Dr. Kevorkian's Collection of Motivational Speeches

Easy UNIX

Everything Men Know About Women

French Hospitality

How to Sustain a Solo Musical Career by Art Garfunkel

Mike Tyson's Guide to Dating Etiquette

The Amish Phone Book

Things I Wouldn't Do for Money by Dennis Rodman

What I Can't Afford by Bill Gates

and

How to Win the Superbowl by Dan Marino

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So if teams don't get rich from jerseys or merchandise, then how do our redskins stay so profitable? I understand winning puts asses in the seats, which lead to the real money. But the redskins aren't consistent winners, have never been remotely close to a superbowl under Snyder, but we are still one of the top "selling" teams in the NFL.

Honest question here - not trying to be a wise ass. I assumed always that part of what made the Redskins such a "rich" team was that they had all of their seats sold out year after year, was top selling in merchandise, jerseys, etc...

If winning is the major revenue stream, then how are the skins not in trouble financially unless they make just enough from merchandise to keep afloat....

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1055764]Do you really think it's him or the market he's in? Around 2000, you could say that, but here we are again, rehashing past sins that are more than a decade old. Even the MEDIA that vilified him during those same years has said he truly has taken a back seat approach. I can see him saying, "Wow, I'd like player x, but hey, your decision." at the VERY worst.[/quote]

I think he's taken more of a backseat recently. But he still likes the splash. Wait til March. There will be a spending frenzy, he knows how to keep his customers interested. I do think he likes that RG3 is over saturated. Nothing wrong with it if you can put a winning product on the field.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1056101]So if teams don't get rich from jerseys or merchandise, then how do our redskins stay so profitable? I understand winning puts asses in the seats, which lead to the real money. But the redskins aren't consistent winners, have never been remotely close to a superbowl under Snyder, but we are still one of the top "selling" teams in the NFL.

Honest question here - not trying to be a wise ass. I assumed always that part of what made the Redskins such a "rich" team was that they had all of their seats sold out year after year, was top selling in merchandise, jerseys, etc...

If winning is the major revenue stream, then how are the skins not in trouble financially unless they make just enough from merchandise to keep afloat....[/quote]

Winning is not a revenue stream. Winning is good for business but not in this town. The major revenue comes from tv. Then it's all the other stuff....jerseys, hot dogs, beer, parking, naming rights, corporate sponsors and corporate boxes. That's why this team is so valuable. A lot of big dollars in DC that want to attach themselves to the team. All that is money in Snyders pocket. I would say 60-70 million a year off the top of my head, plus he gets that tv money. A lot of the media here in DC all have either boxes, or many rows of seats reserved for clients. That's one of the reasons why Fed Ex sucks. Too corporate with people that are not even true Redskin fans that are not from DC. I believe the NFL was trying get the top revenue teams to share their gate money. But it's that operating income that doesn't come from tv, and an owner that is an absolute genius in marketing is the reason the team is worth so much. Now....if he could just get the part right on the field....

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I'm also surprised that Snyder has not sold the naming right to Redskin Park.

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[quote]“The general manager needs to prevent the owner from hiring someone who’s not qualified. And that’s why Vinny is no longer here, to be truthful with you,” Snyder said. “He’s not here because his job was to prevent the owner from hiring a not-qualified coach.”[/quote]

Wow...I think most of us here could have told him Zorn is not the most qualified coach available. Always shifting blame and culpability while still making the same mistakes (Jay what?) and learning nothing ("new" org structure).... Unbelievable :doh:

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Thanks for the drive by. Good job good effort.

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I just read the article...not sure how my post constitutes a drive by. Clearly you don't see or care to see the fact that the Skins have been mismanaged for the past 14 years. I get it, Snyder doesn't offend your sensibility but some of us find him abominable and have the right to articulate our disdain for the man.

[QUOTE=saden1;1056917]I just read the article...not sure how my post constitutes a drive by. Clearly you don't see or care to see the fact that the Skins have been mismanaged for the past 14 years. I get it, Snyder doesn't offend your sensibility but some of us find him abominable and have the right to articulate our disdain for the man.[/QUOTE]

I think he's probably a nice guy that wants to win, but he sucks ass as an owner, he started out by firing norv who had a winning record while DS was the owner and Damn near took us to a NFC champ game, then he fires marty after an 8-8 season because Marty wanted to be Gm and coach.. he brought in vinny who fucked the team over for years, best move he ever made was Gibbs and Joe is so great he made Dan look good for a few yrs anyway. Finally after hiring MS I believed deep down Dan was going to build a winner in dc again, well that is out of the window... So yes I agree w most of what u r saying, and honestly idk how I feel about next yr because deep down I think we r cursed under Snyder. People clown on Dallas around here but guess what, they are at least always competitive, we just went 5-11, and 3-13 in 2 of our last 3 Years.....

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1056919]I think he's probably a nice guy that wants to win, but he sucks ass as an owner, he started out by firing norv who had a winning record while DS was the owner and Damn near took us to a NFC champ game, then he fires marty after an 8-8 season because Marty wanted to be Gm and coach.. he brought in vinny who fucked the team over for years, best move he ever made was Gibbs and Joe is so great he made Dan look good for a few yrs anyway. Finally after hiring MS I believed deep down Dan was going to build a winner in dc again, well that is out of the window... So yes I agree w most of what u r saying, and honestly idk how I feel about next yr because deep down I think we r cursed under Snyder. People clown on Dallas around here but guess what, they are at least always competitive, we just went 5-11, and 3-13 in 2 of our last 3 Years.....[/quote]

I honestly dont give a fck if he is nice or not. I care about results and leadership. For Snyder to say it's the GMs job to prevent the owner from hiring a unqualified HC is mind boggling. With a single statement he shifts resposibilty from him and at the same time redefines the function of a GM to that of a henchman and a babysitter of the owner.

Leadership is hiring someone to be the GM and trusting that person to hire thier own people and taking full responsibility for the teams failure and success and not having to say "a GMs job is to prevent the owner from hiring an unqualified HC." If you look around the league this is the structure emplyed by most franchises.

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[quote=saden1;1056922]I honestly dont give a fck if he is nice or not. I care about results and leadership. For Snyder to say it's the GMs job to prevent the owner from hiring a unqualified HC is mind boggling. With a single statement he shifts resposibilty from him and at the same time redefines the function of a GM to that of a henchman and a babysitter of the owner.

Leadership is hiring someone to be the GM and trusting that person to hire thier own people and taking full responsibility for the teams failure and success and not having to say "a GMs job is to prevent the owner from hiring an unqualified HC." If you look around the league this is the structure emplyed by most franchises.[/quote]

I agree with all of your points above.

But whose to say that Snyder wouldn't play his "owner" card and demand things his way even with a "GM" in place? I think most of the problem is that people in DC might be afraid to tell Dan Snyder the truth. Listening to interviews with Vinny since his firing, almost everybody in the building knew that Zorn wasn't the answer at coach, but nobody had the cojones to tell Dan Snyder. Vinny sort of admits that as he says that he had his reservations, etc.. etc...

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[quote=saden1;1056922]I honestly dont give a fck if he is nice or not. I care about results and leadership. For Snyder to say it's the GMs job to prevent the owner from hiring a unqualified HC is mind boggling. With a single statement he shifts resposibilty from him and at the same time redefines the function of a GM to that of a henchman and a babysitter of the owner.

[B]Leadership is hiring someone to be the GM and trusting that person to hire thier own people and taking full responsibility for the teams failure and success[/B] and not having to say "a GMs job is to prevent the owner from hiring an unqualified HC." If you look around the league this is the structure emplyed by most franchises.[/quote]

The bolded part is true as long as we keep in mind that the GM doesn't really hire anyone - Snyder hires everyone, because it is his checkbook.

And if you keep that in mind, you will see that Snyder actually is agreeing with you with the statement of his which you find so offensive.