Hall of Fame Finalists 2014
 

[url=http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/2014/1/9/class-of-2014-finalists-revealed/]Enshrinement » Class of 2014 finalists revealed[/url]

Morten Andersen, Jerome Bettis, Derrick Brooks, Tim Brown, Edward J. Debartolo, Jr., Tony Dungy, Kevin Greene, Ray Guy, Charles Haley, Marvin Harrison, Claude Humphrey, Walter Jones, John Lynch, Andre Reed, Will Shields, Michael Strahan, Aeneas Williams.

Some slam dunks in there: Marvin Harrison, Walter Jones, Michael Strahan...Hoping Ray Guy makes it.

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Derrick Brooks should be a slam dunk as well. I also hope Ray Guy makes it.

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Ray Guy and Morten Andersen are my faves on that list.

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God there is a backlog of HoF candidates. Is there any reason Tim Brown isn't in already?

And I don't see how you can pass up on Andre Reed either. They voted Micheal Irving in and the only stat he lead in was arrests.

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[quote=Hijinx;1054868]God there is a backlog of HoF candidates. [B]Is there any reason Tim Brown isn't in already?[/B]

And I don't see how you can pass up on Andre Reed either. They voted Micheal Irving in and the only stat he lead in was arrests.[/quote]

Brown will eventually make it, since his numbers are to good to keep him out of the Hall. 6th all time in receiving yards, 5th all time in catches, 7th all time in TD catches, 9 Pro Bowls, and a spot on the 1990s all-decade team. He's definitely deserving.

Kelly and Thomas should be welcoming reed in

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Too many quality names on the list to knock one of them out for a kicker IMO.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1054871]Kelly and Thomas should be welcoming reed in[/quote]I read this as Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas welcoming Jordan Reed.

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[quote=Mattyk;1054873]Too many quality names on the list to knock one of them out for a kicker IMO.[/quote]

Even Andersen? Or are you referring to Ray Guy?

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[quote=GTripp0012;1054874]I read this as Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas welcoming Jordan Reed.[/quote]

Same here, they need to stay far far away

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No Joe Jacoby, Charles Mann, or Mo Elewonibi. What a travesty.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1054883]No Joe Jacoby, [B]Charles Mann[/B], or Mo Elewonibi. What a travesty.[/quote]

Travesty indeed especially for Mann.

Poor Ray Guy goes to the Alumni House bar here every year on announcement day, waiting to hear his name called while local news cameras await. It has become pathetic. Please take Guy out of his misery and put him in the Hall.

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[quote=SirLK26;1054875]Even Andersen? Or are you referring to Ray Guy?[/quote]

Both.

Kickers are on the field for a handful of times per game. Hard to justify putting one of them in.

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[quote=Mattyk;1054952]Both.

[B]Kickers are on the field for a handful of times per game. Hard to justify putting one of them in.[/B][/quote]

True, but these two are the greatest ever at their positions. And Andersen is the NFL's all-time leading scorer. They're just as worthy as most of the names on that list.

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[quote=Mattyk;1054952]Both.

[B]Kickers are on the field for a handful of times per game. Hard to justify putting one of them in.[/B][/quote]

Edit: Double post.

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[quote=SirLK26;1055372]True, but these two are the greatest ever at their positions. And Andersen is the NFL's all-time leading scorer. They're just as worthy as most of the names on that list.[/quote]

Never said they're not worthy, but what regular player do you bump to vote in a specialist?

That's always going to be the thought process when they vote on kickers. It's just hard to justify it.

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I got no problem bumping most of the list for Guy and/or Anderson. They were both head and shoulders above others at their position and consistent weapons for their teams - Guy moreso than Anderson (IMHO).

In:
Andersen, Brown, DeBartolo, Guy, Haley, Jones, Reed (7).

Out:
Bettis, Brooks, Dungy, Greene, Harrison, Humphrey, Lynch, Shields, Strahan, Williams.

Sure, you can make a case for each of the others, but most (Bettis, Dungy, Greene, Humphrey, Lynch, Strahan) strike me as belonging in the Hall of Very Good. Harrison, maybe, but he shouldn't get in before Brown or Reed - they paved the way for him. The harder calls are Brooks and Williams - each was a real game changer (Brooks in particular).

Sure, specialists are only on the field a few plays - but, when they are consistently weapons for their team and demonstrate that over years, then I think it raises the bar. It's tough and I don't think either makes it. I would hope one does (if so, Guy - he, too, was a consistent game changer).

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1055383]I got no problem bumping most of the list for Guy and/or Anderson. They were both head and shoulders above others at their position and consistent weapons for their teams - Guy moreso than Anderson (IMHO).

In:
Andersen, Brown, DeBartolo, Guy, Haley, Jones, Reed (7).

Out:
Bettis, Brooks, Dungy, Greene, Harrison, Humphrey, Lynch, Shields, Strahan, Williams.

Sure, you can make a case for each of the others, but most (Bettis, Dungy, Greene, Humphrey, Lynch, Strahan) strike me as belonging in the Hall of Very Good. Harrison, maybe, but he shouldn't get in before Brown or Reed - they paved the way for him. The harder calls are Brooks and Williams - each was a real game changer (Brooks in particular).

Sure, specialists are only on the field a few plays - but, when they are consistently weapons for their team and demonstrate that over years, then I think it raises the bar. It's tough and I don't think either makes it. I would hope one does (if so, Guy - he, too, was a consistent game changer).[/quote]


Haley before Strahan , mind if I ask why ?

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[quote=Giantone;1055392]Haley before Strahan , mind if I ask why ?[/quote]

Because Haley was better. Strahan had some monster years and some mediocre/bad years. Haley was consistent throughout his career. I'd say Strahan had a longer career with more numbers but Haley had more of an impact when he was playing.

They both deserve to get in but I'd vote for Haley first too.

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Jones & Brooks, everyone else is Hall of Almost.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1055468]Because Haley was better. Strahan had some monster years and some mediocre/bad years. Haley was consistent throughout his career. I'd say Strahan had a longer career with more numbers but Haley had more of an impact when he was playing.

[B]They both deserve to get in but I'd vote for Haley first too.[/B][/quote]

I agree they both deserve to get in, but I'd vote for Strahan first. His career stats are quite a bit better, partially owing to him playing longer than Haley, but Strahan averaged 9.4 sacks a year, while Haley averaged 7.7. Strahan also had more turnovers and set the NFL record for sacks in a season. And he's 5th on the all-time sacks list.