Brown opts to go to Denver
 

Hopefully this is a blessing in disguise for us....

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7462-2005Mar28.html[/url]

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Good he will be looking to sign with us next year after he's cut because he injured all year, no big lose here. So much for Lavar's recruiting talent's, now we can cut Pierson. :laughing2

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Who cares about this bitch?

What the hell has he done in five years besides roll around and whine, in the trainer's room?

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Redskins Note: The Redskins announced today the re-signing of kicker Jeff Chandler.

thats good news at least ;)

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COuld have been cheap help on the D line. Oh, well. Man, we really aren't the kings of the offseason anymore! Let's hope our "patriot" approach pays off.

Will we draft a DE with our second pick now?

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I realize that I'm in the minority here, but I think (as I've said all week) that signing Brown to an incentive-based contract could've been a coup and perhaps our biggest offseason addition. Let's not forget that prior to the news of Brown going to Denver, most Warpathers wanted Brown. Simply because Brown decided to go with Denver doesn't mean we should change our opinion of the guy and what he brings to the table.

Brown has missed 33 games in his brief career, but he still has all the tools to become the star pass-rushing defensive end he was projected to be prior to the 2000 draft. Defensive ends, especially pass-rush specialists, are among the highest paid players in the league and for good reason. Applying pressure with just the front four makes any defense formidable. If a team has a pass-rushing threat from the front four, good and fast linebackers and an average secondary, it can pose a threat to ANY offense.

We have a top-flight linebacking corps that is fast and good in run-support, coverage and blitz packages. We have a good secondary. But we lack a pass-rushing threat from the front four (Ron Warner led the 'Skins' defensive ends with 3.5 sacks). The departures of Pierce and Smoot (a very good cover linebacker and a borderline-elite cover corner) make it even more imperative that we develop a pass-rushing threat from our front four.

We need an impact player on defense and hopefully the draft will produce one for us. And, as noted by others, we can just hope that Brown turns out to be a bust in Denver.

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]COuld have been cheap help on the D line. Oh, well. Man, we really aren't the kings of the offseason anymore! Let's hope our "patriot" approach pays off.

Will we draft a DE with our second pick now?[/QUOTE]

Nope, we'll pick a corner. Depth at DB is very important to Williams' system. We lack depth and youth at CB. Springs and Harris are going to be 30 or 31 next season. Rufus Brown and Garnell Wilds are still developmental players. And beyond them, we have ADE JIMOH!

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I agree with Drift Reality. I'd rather not have Brown. He would our next "Bid Dqaddy" or Dana Stubblefield. He would come in with a lot of hype and then do nothing.

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Of course you guys don;t want him because he didn't sign with us. If he would have everyone would be on his dick. I am pissed he didn't sign with us he is nowhere near finished. I hope we take Jovan Haye from Vandy with our 3rd rounder if he lasts that long.

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]COuld have been cheap help on the D line. Oh, well. Man, we really aren't the kings of the offseason anymore! Let's hope our "patriot" approach pays off.

Will we draft a DE with our second pick now?[/QUOTE]

WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND ROUND PICK!!!!!

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[QUOTE=Lean Mean Machine]I agree with Drift Reality. I'd rather not have Brown. He would our next "Bid Dqaddy" or Dana Stubblefield. He would come in with a lot of hype and then do nothing.[/QUOTE]

The big difference is he wasn't going to get paid like Big Daddy and his salary was going to be contingent on his performance. So, if he'd turned out to be a bust we'd have lost little more than a roster spot. If he turned out to be a Pro-Bowler, presumably he'd get paid like it.

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Damn, no need to get hostile people. Personally I am glad that we are having a crappy offseason. Maybe we will actually start adding some youth to our squad with Joe Gibbs and cast influence right out of the gate. To be honest, I hope that we have a crappy preseason too. The majority of our good seasons started with a crappy preseason. We may not have a second round pick, but look at what we drafted last year and when we drafted them. Not too shabby. Chris Cooley is gonna be a beast!

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This offseason has been one big kick in the nutz. Not that Brown is going to turn into a hall of famer, but he would have helped us at a weak position. The skins have come up empty at every turn so far this offseason...

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[QUOTE=celts32]This offseason has been one big kick in the nutz. Not that Brown is going to turn into a hall of famer, but he would have helped us at a weak position. The skins have come up empty at every turn so far this offseason...[/QUOTE]

Stop being so damn pesimistic! I will take afraid of change for 200 Alex!

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there still hasn't been an official announcement, this is another way teams use puffery to get what they want until it becomes official, I will not say anything.

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It would have been nice to have him, but it's not going to make or break our season that's for sure.

We managed 40 sacks last year without a true pass rusher, and with the return of Daniels and Arrington we should still be able to bring enough heat.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND ROUND PICK!!!!![/QUOTE]

Easy friend. I don't see the word "round" anywhere in his message.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]It would have been nice to have him, but it's not going to make or break our season that's for sure.

We managed 40 sacks last year without a true pass rusher, and with the return of Daniels and Arrington we should still be able to bring enough heat.[/QUOTE]

and bowen, and clemons for the full year... and the next round of UFAs we haul in in preseason...

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[QUOTE=EEich]Easy friend. I don't see the word "round" anywhere in his message.[/QUOTE]


Thanks, Eeich. To tell the truth I wasn't sure, so I hedged my comment by simply saying "second pick". Anyway, I didn't mean to cause trouble! :rolleyes:

I have sympathy with the "sour grapes" attitude, but this wouldn't have been a Big-Daddy style fiasco--it's health incentive based.

Clearly, the FO is committed to changing it's rep--we are [U]NOT[/U] the ATM of the league anymore!!! Probably this will take a while to settle. For now, agents and players expect us to act like we did in the past, and they get pissed and go elsewhere when we don't break the bank. Down the road--assuming we get better!--it will be easier to land players, and no one will be expecting the mega-bucks giveaway that Danny-boy is infamous for. But we're suffereing throught the transition right now.

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It is absolutely hilarious to see such abusiveness towards Brown when, clearly, had he chosen to sign with us this board would have lit up in singing his praises. I agree with the previous arguments that bringing him would have been, if not a coup, at least a low cost investment with tremendous potential upside.

But there's a positive side to losing Brown, and its not that he's a whiny chump or whatever. In this failed transaction we saw again the theme that has dominated our front office maneuvering this offseason: refusal to go above our maximum price for free agents, even if it means losing them to another team. Would anyone dispute that in the past we would have thrown some outragous 8 million dollar signing bonus at an injury plagued underachiever when other teams were offering much less? This time we didn't, just like we didn't with Smoot and Pierce, even though it hurt to see them leave. While no one knows exactly how this offseason will turn out in the long run, what is apparent to us right now is that the redskins have finally learned from their past mistakes. Looking forward to a smart draft and a promising season.

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We're on the same page, djnemo. I agree and I share your optimism.

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fucking champ bailey

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Brown missed like 47 games-maybe in the draft we can land Dan Cody or Shaun Cody or Matt Roth at DE

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I wonder if there aren't any true "studs" left with out pick if we could trade our pick and end up with a combination of a good DE/CB.

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[QUOTE=John Hasbrouck]Brown missed like 47 games-maybe in the draft we can land Dan Cody or Shaun Cody or Matt Roth at DE[/QUOTE]

We could very easily land one of those players, but it would prove to be at the expense of a WR or CB in the first round. The only way we will end up with one of those players is if we trade WAY down in the first round, like into the mid-20s. The only way I see that happening is if one of the QBs or RBs falls inexplicably and someone is willing to give up the world (and by world, I mean their late first rounder, plus their first round pick next year and a 3rd this year) to get them. I don't see that happening.

Jovan Haye is a good target in the 3rd round. He has great pass-rush ability. In the first, as I see it, we will narrow it down to only 5 possibilities if we stay at number 9: Mike Williams, Braylon Edwards, Pac-Man Jones, Antrel Rolle, and Shawne Merriman. It is assured that at least 3 and probably 4 of those players will be gone. If we trade down, I could see us adding probably 5 players to that list: Troy Williamson, Roddy White, Carlos Rogers, Heath Miller and Erasmus James, depending on how the draft breaks down and how far we drop.

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like I said earlier, I hope brown, blows out his ass, that doesn't mean that there in the superbowl, I posted earlier, and I stick by it, F#$^ Brown, I can care less, this offseason has been a pain in the ass, we can't keep our own, All Brown was doing was waiting for Denver to up the price, because why not come to a team that is 3rd, instead of going to a team that was torched by the Colts, what the hell are we not saying or is saying thats running everyone off

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We're saying that we're not the Redskins of old who would most likely have paid about 5x what Brown is worth.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I wonder if there aren't any true "studs" left with out pick if we could trade our pick and end up with a combination of a good DE/CB.[/QUOTE]

This is a possibility, and I have a few ideas how it could go down, especially considering that we should look at WR in the draft also. I will offer several different scenarios, one which gets a CB, one which gets a DE first, one which gets a WR first, etc. and we can see how everyone likes either one. Both assume that we trade with the Saints, although obviously there are a few other teams that would want to trade up. I assume that the Saints are moving up to get Derrick Johnson, and we get our 2nd rounder (#40) back from them as compensation for moving down.

Option 1 (CB, DE, WR): We select Carlos Rogers at 16, Justin Tuck or Matt Roth at 40, and perhaps Vincent Jackson, Matt Jones, or Fred Gibson at 76. The flaw here of course is that the Chiefs might take Rogers at 15, thus screwing our plan.

Option 2 (CB, WR, DE): We select Rogers at 16, Chris Henry or Reggie Brown at 40, and Jovan Haye at 76.

Option 3 (DE, WR, CB): We select Erasmus James at 16, Henry or Brown at 40, and perhaps Darrent Williams, Stanley Wilson, or Domonique Foxworth at 76.

Option 4 (DE, CB, WR): We select James at 16, Marlin Jackson or Bryant McFadden at 40, and Jackson/Jones/Gibson at 76.

Option 5: (WR, CB, DE): We select Troy Williamson or Roddy White at 16, Jackson or McFadden at 40, and Haye at 76.

Option 6: (WR, DE, CB) We select Williamson/White at 16, Tuck/Roth at 40, and Williams/Wilson/Foxworth at 76.

My favorite option remains staying at 9 and taking Mike Williams, then probably adding Stanley Wilson at 76. But of these trade down options, I probably prefer the first one which which could add C. Rogers, J. Tuck, and V. Jackson.

Any other opinions on this?

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Ramseyfan you where correct about C. Brown-5yrs. missed 33 games and was not very productive when he did play. Daniels will be back- but he is no big sack DE- In my opinion a pass rushing DE should be the priority-we will all find out on draft day-still 3 wks. away

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what about M. Wiley (da dude), marques douglas, or ed jasper.

oh well brown's loss this season jus feels different we will go far.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND ROUND PICK!!!!![/QUOTE]


I believe he said second pick. We do have a second pick it's in the 3rd round.
LOL :laughing2

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[QUOTE=djnemo65]It is absolutely hilarious to see such abusiveness towards Brown when, clearly, had he chosen to sign with us this board would have lit up in singing his praises. I agree with the previous arguments that bringing him would have been, if not a coup, at least a low cost investment with tremendous potential upside.

But there's a positive side to losing Brown, and its not that he's a whiny chump or whatever. In this failed transaction we saw again the theme that has dominated our front office maneuvering this offseason: refusal to go above our maximum price for free agents, even if it means losing them to another team. Would anyone dispute that in the past we would have thrown some outragous 8 million dollar signing bonus at an injury plagued underachiever when other teams were offering much less? This time we didn't, just like we didn't with Smoot and Pierce, even though it hurt to see them leave. While no one knows exactly how this offseason will turn out in the long run, what is apparent to us right now is that the redskins have finally learned from their past mistakes. Looking forward to a smart draft and a promising season.[/QUOTE]

I agree, it's funny to see how quickly people's tunes change.

I too appreciate the restraint the front office is showing this offseason.

I'd be interested to see what our cap would look like if we committed to Pierce, Smoot and now Brown. Canuck, could you cook this up for us?

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[QUOTE=aehs77]fucking champ bailey[/QUOTE]

I hate Champ too, but I know someone in Cincy that can't wait to see him next time, ha ha ha ha ha.

Look, we had a good D with out C. Brown, I think Smoot and Peirce leaving will hurt, but the attitude of the Defense is no matter who we lose we are going to be solid.

I am actually impressed by the skins. You know in years past any other team in the NFL wouldn't have had a chance to get Brown cause our offer would have blown them out the water, but we are sticking to our guns. It feels good to be picky!!!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I agree, it's funny to see how quickly people's tunes change.[/QUOTE]
Yeah no kidding. I can't see how it was like 80-20 on getting him and as soon as he signed with Denver everyone jumped off that bandwagon. Craziness I tell you. Some people need more persepective I think.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Yeah no kidding. I can't see how it was like 80-20 on getting him and as soon as he signed with Denver everyone jumped off that bandwagon. Craziness I tell you. Some people need more persepective I think.[/QUOTE]

You know what, I think my mind is tainted on the issue by hearing about how Champ Bailey called Brown and disparaged the Skins on the phone.

I guess it makes me feel like perhaps Champ's influence had something to do with Brown's decision, and that makes me feel irritated at Brown.

Ah well, I was never sold on him unless we could get him signed to a contract in the neighborhood of 5 years / 12 million with a signing bonus less than 3 or 4 million.

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Brown was going to be a gamble either way - as an infrequent card player, I can state that gambles [u]you[/u] make are a lot easier to justify than gambles [u]someone else[/u] makes.

In his five professional seasons, Brown has missed an average of over six games a year. Part of our pitch to him was that he would not be overused because of our rotation. Part of Denver's pitch was that he would be their starter. I guess the allure of starting was more important.

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Though I would have liked to see C Brown come for cheap, we gave him an offer, he didn't want it. No big deal. Denver promised him playtime and we didn't.

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Yup, my opinion on the situation is kind of like, "Meh, oh well."

At the risk of starting some football conversation, any word on Dyson? I'm curious about that pickup, mainly because if the Skins are indeed interested, they must DEFINITELY see something we don't.

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I would have been excited about getting him, but now that he went to denver i do hope he is a bust for them. Whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with hoping a decision your team made was the right one no matter what the outcome? I cant see anyone saying, "Man, I hope that C. Brown takes Denver's defense up to the top in the NFL and they go to the super bowl." Not on this site.

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what about we trade our 1st and gardner to saints for they're 1st and de howard?
maybe, maybe through in a fifth? the we have a very good end and still have a chance a cb rogers out of auburn. only prob could be the money apect of howard. what do you guys thingk?