Perry Riley re-signs 3 yrs $13M
 

Per several sources on Twitter

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Yea, great resign. He was reportedly wanting up to $7M, but I guess during this tampering period he got to feel out the value put on him by others and decided he is best to come back to the Skins and start.

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At $4.3MM/yr. this is a good deal for both sides, IMO.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1062425]At $4.3MM/yr. this is a good deal for both sides, IMO.[/quote]

Agree. I would like to see us get the veteran leadership of Dansby now, or possibly wait and see what Rolando Mclain does with Ravens and if he hits FA maybe signed him for dirt and see if he can live up to potential. Low Risk/High Reward.

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Fair price. Perry couldn't have done better on the open market, which I'm sure he determined after 3 days of open contact with other teams. And with it being only three years, he gets to prove to everyone that he's worthy of a bigger payday before he gets too old.

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Liking how this FO is doing business.

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Deck the halls with inside linebackers falalalala lalalala

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Its the right price, good deal for them.

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At this price tag, he's a starter next year. I think he's more of a reserve in terms of skill, but with one ILB (Keenan Robinson) under contract, it's a compromise. We'll pay you more than you're worth because we need you next year more than the other teams do.

Doesn't seem like a significant commitment and his return helps the special teams more than it hurts the defense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062451]At this price tag, he's a starter next year. I think he's more of a reserve in terms of skill, but with one ILB (Keenan Robinson) under contract, it's a compromise. [B]We'll pay you more than you're worth because we need you next year more than the other teams do.[/B]
Doesn't seem like a significant commitment and his return helps the special teams more than it hurts the defense.[/quote]

No doubt, true. I think it needed to be done under the circumstances. Thankfully, it didn't hurt much in the pocketbook.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062451]At this price tag, he's a starter next year. I think he's more of a reserve in terms of skill, but with one ILB (Keenan Robinson) under contract, it's a compromise. We'll pay you more than you're worth because we need you next year more than the other teams do.

Doesn't seem like a significant commitment and his return helps the special teams more than it hurts the defense.[/quote]

Riley is definitely an NFL starter, especially when looking at his class:
[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticPositionCategory=LINEBACKER&season=2013&seasonType=REG&experience=4&tabSeq=1&qualified=true&Submit=Go]NFL Stats: by Player Position[/url]
among 4th year LB's he is 2nd to Navarro Bowman in combined tackles and assisted tackles. Has decent PD numbers.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1062436]Liking how this FO is doing business.[/quote]

Vinny days are long gone that's for sure. Hopefully people can finally stop with all the hand-wringing and worry that we're going to spend crazy $$ like it's 2000 again.

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what are the details ? amount guaranteed , bonus, etc.

The key number is first year cap hit

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I'm glad we kept Riley. He's by no means elite or maybe not even pro bowl status, but he's a solid guy.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1062471]I'm glad we kept Riley. He's by no means elite or maybe not even pro bowl status, but he's a solid guy.[/quote]

Well, you know, he's really just a reserve for anybody else ... :doh:

The FO resigns its own guys at reasonable prices - for both sides - and signs other teams young talent that may be hidden by the roster in front of them, and suddenly we are paying a "loser tax".

whatever ...

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[quote=Irrefutable;1062468]what are the details ? amount guaranteed , bonus, etc.

The key number is first year cap hit[/quote]

No details yet.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1062465]Riley is definitely an NFL starter, especially when looking at his class:
[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticPositionCategory=LINEBACKER&season=2013&seasonType=REG&experience=4&tabSeq=1&qualified=true&Submit=Go]NFL Stats: by Player Position[/url]
among 4th year LB's he is 2nd to Navarro Bowman in combined tackles and assisted tackles. Has decent PD numbers.[/quote]I wouldn't mention him in or around Navarro Bowman.

ILB is a weakness here. Less of a weakness today than yesterday, but a weakness.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062505]I wouldn't mention him in or around Navarro Bowman.

ILB is a weakness here. Less of a weakness today than yesterday, but a weakness.[/quote]

Regardless of whether you would mention him or not, his work is that of a starting NFL ILB, not a reserve, on any team.

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Riley has gotten a little better every year. If he does so again, he'll be pretty good next year.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1062509]Regardless of whether you would mention him or not, his work is that of a starting NFL ILB, not a reserve, on any team.[/quote]In some categories, sure. In others, not really.

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We didn't sign him to a vet min? We overpaid

























































[please note this post is riddled with sarcasm. Thanks]

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062512]In some categories, sure. [B]In others, not really.[/B][/quote]

Such as?

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Riley, while not a superstar, climbed up through the ranks and deserves to be kept and on team and player friendly terms.

If this link works, [url=http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/5894/perry-riley]Recent news on Perry Riley - Washington Redskins - Rotoworld.com[/url], you can read the tidbits chronologically of how he went from a reach in the 4th round to deserving to being our leading tackler last year. Nah, we don't want to treat him right with a solid contract, silly Redskins!

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[quote=Lotus;1062515]Such as?[/quote]He's a fringy starter in yards per run tackle and yards per pass target. He's never been awful at either, but the kind of guy you upgrade on if better options are out there.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/player/24465/perry-riley]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Perry Riley[/url]

He's been a nice upgrade across the board on Rocky McIntosh...but that's more of a Rocky issue than a Perry Riley compliment.

The ideal Perry Riley job in the NFL is 30-40% defensive snaps at LB and 100% of special teams snaps, where he is a positive contributor. Essentially, that's a 3rd LB, and has been historically worth $2-2.5 MM AAV according to the market.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062522]He's a fringy starter in yards per run tackle and yards per pass target. He's never been awful at either, but the kind of guy you upgrade on if better options are out there.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/player/24465/perry-riley]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Perry Riley[/url]

He's been a nice upgrade across the board on Rocky McIntosh...but that's more of a Rocky issue than a Perry Riley compliment.

The ideal Perry Riley job in the NFL is 30-40% defensive snaps at LB and 100% of special teams snaps, where he is a positive contributor. Essentially, that's a 3rd LB, and has been historically worth $2-2.5 MM AAV according to the market.[/quote]

Well, ok, if your argument is that we could do better than Riley, I don't disagree. This is why Riley did not get near to elite money.

But with one ILB position wide open, keeping him as a starting ILB is hardly our worst move. We can upgrade later.

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[quote=Lotus;1062528]Well, ok, if your argument is that we could do better than Riley, I don't disagree. This is why Riley did not get near to elite money.

But with one ILB position wide open, keeping him as a starting ILB is hardly our worst move. We can upgrade later.[/quote]It's not a terrible move, I just noticed that the Redskins seem to be paying a loser's tax on a lot of these deals. It's probably unavoidable: you still need football players to play a football season, and if that's what they cost, that's what they cost.

So Riley was willing to come back, as a starter. If he had been drafted and developed by a winning org, maybe he's willing to come back in the role that best fits him, and for less money. It's understandable. The Redskins didn't seem to have the option to bring him back under the terms I thought he deserved. It seemed to be a situation where you pay him to start, or he was going to explore other opportunities.

When the Redskins start to draft and develop a lot of Perry Riley's instead of just one, they'll be able to name their price on him. They're a couple years away still.

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The historical market value is bunk in a year when then cap had a dramatic rise across the board, and teams are looking at both cash minimums as well as salary cap placement. you want to say he would have gotten 3.25 to 3.75 on the open market, I agree with that, so you pay a little (less then 1/2 a million for sure) and you keep a guy who knows your system, and who you know how to use.

That's not a losers tax, it's not a bad FO, move, and it's definitely not an old Redskins habit type signing.

It's a good signing plain and simple.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1062531]The historical market value is bunk in a year when then cap had a dramatic rise across the board, and teams are looking at both cash minimums as well as salary cap placement. you want to say he would have gotten 3.25 to 3.75 on the open market, I agree with that, so you pay a little (less then 1/2 a million for sure) and you keep a guy who knows your system, and who you know how to use.

That's not a losers tax, it's not a bad FO, move, and it's definitely not an old Redskins habit type signing.

It's a good signing plain and simple.[/quote]Even given the rise in market value, it's a stretch to say that the Redskins aren't paying him like a starter.

If you think he's evidence that the Redskins are developing their own talent, I respect your right to see it that way. And you might be proven right down the road if the Redskins really start to turn out players they draft. But since we don't have the benefit of looking down the road and presuming that the Redskins have it right this time, I think you have to judge moves in the context of the present.

I do think that your definition of a good signing is synonymous with any move the Redskins make. That's fair, no? In a sample size of every move, you've liked for the team on the day it's been made. If it's been proven a bad move later, you've changed your opinion appropriately, but you've always given the team the (unearned) benefit of the doubt on the day of the signing.

Sometimes, moves can be not good and not bad. This one just...is.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062522]He's a fringy starter in yards per run tackle and yards per pass target. He's never been awful at either, but the kind of guy you upgrade on if better options are out there.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/player/24465/perry-riley]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Perry Riley[/url]

He's been a nice upgrade across the board on Rocky McIntosh...but that's more of a Rocky issue than a Perry Riley compliment.

The ideal Perry Riley job in the NFL is 30-40% defensive snaps at LB and 100% of special teams snaps, where he is a positive contributor. Essentially, that's a 3rd LB, and has been historically worth $2-2.5 MM AAV according to the market.[/quote]

Using your link, the players with whom he has the highest "similarity scores" are D. Harris of the Jets and D. Ryans of Philly. Both solid starting guys.

No one is saying Riley is elite, but check out the teams playing a 3-4 D and tell me, other than SF and [I]maybe[/I] Philly or SD - who doesn't he start for? New Orleans, Green Bay, Kansas City, Baltimore, Pittsburg, Indianapolis ... he is an upgrade over one or both ILB's on each team.


As CRed said, it's a hands down quality signing. No ifs, ands or buts.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062533]Even given the rise in market value, it's a stretch to say that the Redskins aren't paying him like a starter.

If you think he's evidence that the Redskins are developing their own talent, I respect your right to see it that way. And you might be proven right down the road if the Redskins really start to turn out players they draft. But since we don't have the benefit of looking down the road and presuming that the Redskins have it right this time, I think you have to judge moves in the context of the present.

I do think that your definition of a good signing is synonymous with any move the Redskins make. That's fair, no? In a sample size of every move, you've liked for the team on the day it's been made. If it's been proven a bad move later, you've changed your opinion appropriately, but you've always given the team the (unearned) benefit of the doubt on the day of the signing.

Sometimes, moves can be not good and not bad. This one just...is.[/quote]

They are paying him like a starter b/c he is a NFL starter and would be so on easily 30 to 40% of the NFL rosters.

So ... signing and extending folks like Paulsen, Young, Robinson, Baker, Riley are NOT evidence of developing their own.

Okay.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062530]It's not a terrible move, I just noticed that the [B]Redskins seem to be paying a loser's tax on a lot of these deals. [/B] It's probably unavoidable: you still need football players to play a football season, and if that's what they cost, that's what they cost.

So Riley was willing to come back, as a starter. If he had been drafted and developed by a winning org, maybe he's willing to come back in the role that best fits him, and for less money. It's understandable. The Redskins didn't seem to have the option to bring him back under the terms I thought he deserved. It seemed to be a situation where you pay him to start, or he was going to explore other opportunities.

When the Redskins start to draft and develop a lot of Perry Riley's instead of just one, they'll be able to name their price on him. They're a couple years away still.[/quote]

Where is the "loser's tax" on Riley? My argument above is the same whether we finished 13-3 or 3-13.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062533]Even given the rise in market value, [B]it's a stretch to say that the Redskins aren't paying him like a starter[/B].

...

Sometimes, moves can be not good and not bad. This one just...is.[/quote]
Who's saying he isn't being paid like a starter? He is our starter, and he has earned the right to be a starter on this team, and certainly 26-29 other teams in the league.

This is most definitely not a "just is" move.

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In the "context of the present" somewhere between 19 - 21 of players drafted in the 2011, 2012 and 2013 draft classes are still on the squad and likely to be so in 2014 (Using your 2 year window to judge drafts). Going back to 2010, that number becomes 21-23 out of 27.

In those classes we have already reupped two players (Riley, Robinson).

That's "the context of the present".

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1062544]In the "context of the present" somewhere between 19 - 21 of players drafted in the 2011, 2012 and 2013 draft classes are still on the squad and likely to be so in 2014 (Using your 2 year window to judge drafts). Going back to 2010, that number becomes 21-23 out of 27.

In those classes we have already reupped two players (Riley, Robinson).

That's "the context of the present".[/quote]Robinson was a ERFA guy. He didn't have a say in his salary.

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[quote=Lotus;1062539]Where is the "loser's tax" on Riley? My argument above is the same whether we finished 13-3 or 3-13.[/quote]The losers tax is 3/13 for a guy who, ideally, wouldn't be making 3/13.

I use the word ideally because in reality, the Redskins took this as far as they could before getting the deal done, and then paid market value.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062545]Robinson was a ERFA guy. He didn't have a say in his salary.[/quote]

... but the Skins did, and the choice they made was to keep him. In a discussion based on "developing your own", that is kind of the point when relating to "the context of the present".

Maybe he makes the 51, maybe not. Bottom line, rather than simply cutting him loose they give him the chance for another year.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1062550]... but the Skins did, and the choice they made was to keep him. In a discussion based on "developing your own", that is kind of the point when relating to "the context of the present".

Maybe he makes the 51, maybe not. Bottom line, rather than simply cutting him loose they give him the chance for another year.[/quote]I think you know me well enough to know I'm not against re-signing your own. People who have losing arguments try to frame my arguments against them that way, but I'm not going to touch that nonsense.

To be a player development organization, you can't just have players you developed on your own roster. You have to win with them.

Free agency day is all about signing players to replace the guys who you didn't develop. So when the Redskins are active on a day like this, it's because they are admitting to you they haven't done a good job.

I'm not arguing they shouldn't sign free agents. I'm saying the next four years needs to focus on doing the development so they don't have to pay Perry Riley to start to get him to stay and Andre Roberts to take Aldrick's spot. In the meantime, you do what you have to do to win, and if that's pay Riley and Roberts, you do that.

Do it, and don't spin it like some organizational victory. Just go out and win.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1062546]The losers tax is 3/13 for a guy who, ideally, wouldn't be making 3/13.

I use the word ideally because in reality, the Redskins took this as far as they could before getting the deal done, and [B]then paid market value[/B].[/quote]

So, they paid [I]market value[/I] for a NFL starting ILB (who would be an immediate starter on at least 8-10 other teams), and, in doing so, retained a player who they drafted & developed, showed growth in their system and will be only 26 when the season starts.

Yup. I can see why you wouldn't call that a "good move".

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1062553]So, they paid [I]market value[/I] for a NFL starting ILB (who would be an immediate starter on at least 8-10 other teams), and, in doing so, retained a player who they drafted & developed, showed growth in their system and will be only 26 when the season starts.

Yup. I can see why you wouldn't call that a "good move".[/quote]The implication is that there is a performance gap between how they're treating him and how he's playing.

If Riley improves his level of play and is a quality starter for them, that's when he becomes a success for the player development arm of the team. If all you care about his the contract, you can put your checkmark up now. But the playing strong, consistent football still has to be proven.

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Riley just tweeted to Keenan Robinson that he was excited about lining up with him next season, I think that they are out of the ILB market until late in the draft or if a stud falls to them, Like Skov in the 3rd round or later.

I love this signing, keeping home grown talent on the team at a resonable price so he doesn't go somewhere else and become a stud (Pierce, Clark) and we fall in love wiht and overpriced free agent who sucks (Adam Archuleta, I am talking to you).