So what if Gardner DOES stay?
 

I was reading on another site about how it is very possible that Gardner might not get dealt at all. Any feelings on this and where do you think he would fit in the scheme if he was still on the team next year?

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I see no reason why he wouldn't be our #1 if he stayed.

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I think we'll move him on draft day, if not who knows, maybe we cut him outright and save ourselves $2M. I don't see him coming back.

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I hope so. I read more in the other site saying the Redskins pretty much "threw him under the bus" in saying that he was not in their plans in 2005.

Fingers are crossed for that 3rd round pick.

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I think that ships sailed. He won't be back. if they continue to have trouble moving him they will eventually lower their demands. They are still holding to the hope that they will get a #3 for him.

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I also think he won't be back - but if he is back, which was the question, I think he'd have to be our #1. We don't have anyone better.

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You don't think Moss is better? If Gardner were to continue to play at the level he did last year, I'd take Moss any day.

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There's a reason Moss was being moved to #3. Moss is quick, and he can stretch defenses, but he's not a #1 in my eyes. Peerless Price II.

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I read somewhere that if we can't get a trade done, then he'll get cut. I don't see how he could be our #1 IMO.

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I am with most of you on Rod and that we may be better off without him but one of the main delays in a move being made is that Rod wants that one season to inflate his value before he is a free agent next year. This could be a great thing for our beloved skins.

Let him have the one year, at a low cap cost to do his best for the big dollars. Can this really hurt us?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I think we'll move him on draft day, if not who knows, maybe we cut him outright and save ourselves $2M. I don't see him coming back.[/QUOTE]


I agree, someones hand will be forced on draft day, don't see him coming back, and don't want him coming back.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I see no reason why he wouldn't be our #1 if he stayed.[/QUOTE]

His teammates named him 50/50 - Not us. 'nuff said.

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Red Rob is right. If he has that "contract year" type effort on the field then why not keep him and then let him go next year. However that is a big "IF", maybe to risky to keep him around as far as team chemistry goes....

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There might be somebody out there who needs a receiver to catch at least 50% of the passes, so they might be holding out to force the prices to be lowered that Gardner is asking for. I don't see us keeping Rod Gardner at all...in fact, I will be extremely surprised if we kept him.

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Maybe they should suck it up and take a 4th if they really wanna move him. I don't really know what they should do with him.

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I dont think that there is any chance that he could be our #1 receiver next year. Gibbs won't give a position that needs to "built around" to a guy who is going to be heading down the road the first chance he gets. He is gone.

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I don't think a 4th rounder would adequately compensate us. 4th rounders are about 25% likely to stay in the league for more than 5 years. Gardner is entering a contract year and isn't a high priced #2 wideout. I say let him stay if we can't get a 3rd.

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I agree that he won't be back, but if he is I think he would be productive. He does make awesome catches, when he isn't dropping ones that hit him in the numbers, that is...

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i;d like to see an even up trade to the falcons,gardner for price.anybody else fancy to that?

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If we cant trade him, and have the cap room to keep him; I say keep him. With it being a contract year, I would be willing to bet he would perform pretty well. Then we will just be smart enough to let him go after that. Him and Moss would be neck and neck as #1's if we dont draft anyone, but I just dont think we should let him walk.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]If we cant trade him, and have the cap room to keep him; I say keep him. With it being a contract year, I would be willing to bet he would perform pretty well. Then we will just be smart enough to let him go after that. Him and Moss would be neck and neck as #1's if we dont draft anyone, but I just dont think we should let him walk.[/QUOTE]


Now ya know....that would be interesting if we did for some reason keep him. I bet he would try his best to improve from the past couple of seasons. If the guy could go back to playing like he did in his rookie year, then I would be more than happy to keep him...but something tells me that probably won't happen.

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u kno wut i dunno about u guys i always really lieked him he makes awsome catches....he also has a bad work habit but hes the big widout i liek nd so does gibbs....i alos have a lot of interest in jacobs nd mcCants

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[quote]he also has a bad work habit[/quote]

I guess that's why he consistantly stayed after practice and caught an extra 100-200 balls a day, that shitty work ethic of his. Rod Gardner isn't as bad as the media makes him look. He makes the easy balls look hard, and the hard balls look easy.

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I believe they will settle for a 4th rounder on draft day. He has been way too inconsistent.

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Gibbs talks like Gardner will remain a 'Skin if we don't recieve equal value in a trade. :oink:

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He'll be traded the next time Charles Rogers gets hurt.

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EEich - I'd take charles Rogers for Gardner straight up trade in a second.

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So would I

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[QUOTE=Daseal]There's a reason Moss was being moved to #3. Moss is quick, and he can stretch defenses, but he's not a #1 in my eyes. Peerless Price II.[/QUOTE]


Peerless Price put up numbers because he was opposite Moulds and couldnt do anything as a number one. Moss was the number one last year. He made big plays whenever Pennington threw him the ball, the problem is Chad never threw him the ball. For whatever reason they didnt hookup often. When Chad went down, Moss' numbers went up.

I think that Moss could work out well here. I agree that Moss needs to be paired up with someoen else and isnt the type of guy that draws a double team everytime. With that said, it looks like our lineup is setup the way the Pats was last year. We have five above average receivers. We can move teh ball around, keep the defenses guessing. If you have a bunch of receivers the other team has to respect, and give moss the option to run free, hes going to make plays. THe guy is a playmaker.

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problem is we'll only have two of those mediocre WRs on the field at a time.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Peerless Price put up numbers because he was opposite Moulds and couldnt do anything as a number one. Moss was the number one last year. He made big plays whenever Pennington threw him the ball, the problem is Chad never threw him the ball. For whatever reason they didnt hookup often. When Chad went down, Moss' numbers went up.

I think that Moss could work out well here. I agree that Moss needs to be paired up with someoen else and isnt the type of guy that draws a double team everytime. With that said, it looks like our lineup is setup the way the Pats was last year. We have five above average receivers. We can move teh ball around, keep the defenses guessing. If you have a bunch of receivers the other team has to respect, and give moss the option to run free, hes going to make plays. THe guy is a playmaker.[/QUOTE]

I agree, Moss proved he can put up big numbers as the go to guy, he had a 1000 yard season and 10 TDs not too long ago.

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So who WILL be the #1 when the season starts?

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I guess that's why he consistantly stayed after practice and caught an extra 100-200 balls a day, that shitty work ethic of his. Rod Gardner isn't as bad as the media makes him look. He makes the easy balls look hard, and the hard balls look easy.[/QUOTE]


What good did that do him? He stayed after practice and caught balls after practice, but yet he still had a hard time catching balls in games? He's just too inconsistent.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]What good did that do him? He stayed after practice and caught balls after practice, but yet he still had a hard time catching balls in games? He's just too inconsistent.[/QUOTE]

And I think ultimately that's what it comes down to, that no matter how hard he tries maybe Gardner just isn't that good.

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Vikings have no plans to trade for Gardner now.
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[quote]I agree, Moss proved he can put up big numbers as the go to guy, he had a 1000 yard season and 10 TDs not too long ago.[/quote]

So did Gardner, but you keep blowing that off, Matty. Only difference is he had only 8 TDs.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]So did Gardner, but you keep blowing that off, Matty. Only difference is he had only 8 TDs.[/QUOTE]

Gardner has also had 3 very inconsistent and very unspectacular seasons.

Seems like the pro-Gardner people blow that off more often than the anti-Gardner people blow off the one 1000 yard season he had.

He had one good season out of 4. Wow, I'm really impressed, even in baseball that's a crappy percentage.

When is it time to move on? I'd say 4 seasons is more than enough time to properly evaluate a player.

Last year was a disappointment for Moss because of injuries, but he STILL had a much better season than Gardner, and he also played in a conservative offense.

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[QUOTE=BIGREDSKINFAN63]i;d like to see an even up trade to the falcons,gardner for price.anybody else fancy to that?[/QUOTE]

I'd like to see it, but we can't afford Price (his contract numbers are as big as Coles') and the Falcons would never trade Price for Gardner - Price is better and the Falcons would take about a $7 million cap hit.

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I still REALLY REALLY want the Skins to draft Williams with our first pick.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I see no reason why he wouldn't be our #1 if he stayed.[/QUOTE]

I see no reason why you shouldn't get your eyes checked out. Did you watch any games the past 3 years????????