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One year after signing a seven-year contract worth just over $46 million, [b]Terrell Owens[/b] wants to rework his deal, Owens' new agent, [b]Drew Rosenhaus[/b], said after meeting with Eagles president [b]Joe Banner[/b]. It is unlikely the Eagles will be willing to accommodate him. In Banner's 11 years as team president, he has never renegotiated a player's contract after one season. Rosenhaus did not rule out that Owens could miss some or all of the Eagles' off-season workouts or minicamps, and possibly training camp should a new deal not get done. "It's not really something I can make any predictions on," Rosenhaus said.

Running back [b]Brian Westbrook[/b], who also wants a long-term deal with the Eagles, hasn't signed his 1-year restricted free agent tender. Defensive tackle [b]Hollis Thomas[/b] is unhappy that the Birds won't revisit his contract, and has asked to be traded. The Eagles are expected to trade or release wide receiver [b]Freddie Mitchell[/b], who was unhappy with his role last season.

-- [i]Philadelphia Inquirer[/i]

Is anyone surprised? I mean I have nothing but contempt for the modern athelete, but man, I'm a little shocked by T.O's request. . .I wonder how true this is? Looks like B. Westbrook is unhappy as well.

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I can't remember the details about T.Os contract but I do remember thinking he could have ask for more. Maybe he settled for less thinking thats all the birds would pay but they were going to win the S.B. Now that they did not win the S.B. and he has proven his worth to the team he wants more money. This could get alittle intresting over the next couple of months, maybe another Coles situation. I wish them all the tough times they can have with retaining their players.

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[QUOTE=firstdown] I wish them all the tough times they can have with retaining their players.[/QUOTE]

I wish them all controversy, mayhem and a financial disaster of epic proportions.

I don't think the Eagles will budge with TO, Andy Reid is not going to let him dictate the direction of the team...I would bet they work something out with Westbrook. . .but don't forget Corey Simon wants out as well, so does the Hollis Thomas.. ..christmas in April.

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[QUOTE=gortiz]I wish them all controversy, mayhem and a financial disaster of epic proportions.[/QUOTE]I agree we've been there done that let someone else have a turn and no other team better than the birds.

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Hell, let them restructure. Let them restructure to where they have to hemorrhage players in a season or two because of cap consequences.

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The two most important words in this story are "Drew Rosenhaus". As I said in the thread regarding Taylor and Moss not being around for Skins voluntary workouts, Rosenhaus is trouble with a capital "T".

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Just how many players does he represent? It seems like he is the Bill Gates of sports agents.

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[QUOTE=gortiz]I wish them all controversy, mayhem and a financial disaster of epic proportions.

...but don't forget Corey Simon wants out as well, so does the Hollis Thomas.. ..christmas in April.[/QUOTE]


And here is hoping the e-girls, cowroids, and gints all reach greatly for their draft picks, and none pan out well!

Here is hoping the hole in cowroid stadium suddenly causes the Earth to crack and the whole stadium falls down! And all cowroids have to stay in maximum detention due to a problem at the probation office.

And the gints stadium collapses into the Bay. And each gint gets shrink wrapped!

And e-girls all demand a sex change to really become ..................................................................................................girls! And andyreid resigns to work at Wallmart instead!
:httr:

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Ha ha. Waaaaah! 46 million bucks isn't enough. I need bigger diamond earings. Waaaaaah!

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I'm sure the Eagles will try to take a tough stance and say "here's the contract you signed...so you'll play here or nowhere else!"

However, I think that's bs. I don't think they should rework TO's deal, but speaking in general, organizations don't give a damn about the ink on a contract when they want to sign an extra free agent and ask a guy to restructure. So, you reap what you sew.

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The player can also exercise his right to say: "This is what YOU signed up for, so tough shit."

I guess in the end, it seems right for a team to ask a player to take less since they are getting paid millions anyway and those spare couple million could be used to make a winning team rather than buying a particular player an extra Bently.

It just seems greedy to me when players ask for lots more because they feel they are getting shafted with their already ludacrous contracts.

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Well Malcolm - the team can also ditch them and only pay them SB.

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I'm not sure how to respond to that since I really don't know what goes into the contracts. I'm sure some contracts have it where a person can be cut no questions asked.

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Wow, another team with contract troubles?

Who woulda thunk it!

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]The two most important words in this story are "Drew Rosenhaus". As I said in the thread regarding Taylor and Moss not being around for Skins voluntary workouts, Rosenhaus is trouble with a capital "T".[/QUOTE]

Rosenhaus is tough, no doubt about it, but he is well respected because he is also reasonable when it comes down to it, unlike the dreaded Poston brothers, who we wisely have avoided (see drafting Sean Taylor over Kellen Winslow). Those two are absolutely off their rockers when it comes to negotiations. They were the "brains" behind the Orlando Pace fiasco, and he only got a deal done once he fired them. I am just afraid that the "Sean Taylor Agent Revolving Door" might let them into our affairs at some point.

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Rosenhaus might be fair in his negotiating tactics, but I'm sure it's not just Taylor or Moss's idea to sit out in anticipation of a new contract. I would say that Drew has been behind more than a few of these "sit outs" to benefit his clients and his own pockets.

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The league has become out of control with this stuff. Somewhere it should state that they have to play by term of the contract and it CANNOT be renegotiated until the contract is up. The league should really go to a totally performance based pay system.

Thoughts?

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[QUOTE=HermosaBeach Skin Fan]The league has become out of control with this stuff. Somewhere it should state that they have to play by term of the contract and it CANNOT be renegotiated until the contract is up. The league should really go to a totally performance based pay system.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Nice thought, but as long as there's a player's union, ain't gonna happen.

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yeah matt's right. player's union = more money for player and the right to renegotiate.

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I just wanna go on record as saying that I don't agree with T.O. or many other players demanding that their contract be restructured. However, I do think it's funny. I think that's what organizations get for pressuring players into restructuring all the time. If they fall off they have to take less. T.O. stepped up, why shouldn't he get more? I can see where they're coming from. I don't agree, but I think it should make things interesting.

Now I wanna see what happens to Philly now that the real Terrell Owens has resurfaced.

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This is what I was saying in another thread...

When teams ask a player to restructure, it normally isn't to line their own pockets (not directly anyway). They ask a player to restructure to make room to bring in even more talent.

I think when a player asks for a restructure for more money, it is strictly for personal gain.

In the end, I would say the lesser of two evils is asking a player to take a cut of his millions to help the team out in the end.

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I love hearing this. I mean really, what did the Eagles expect when they went after this guy? Everything about this is consistent with TO's past. I've had more arguments than I can even count with Eagles fans over this guy and how he'll be a locker room cancer within a few short years. My prediction: this is just the beginning of the slap in the face that is Terell Owens.

Seriously, this news should not be underestimated in terms of its importance. Joe Banner is about the most stubborn SOB in the NFL when it comes to renegotiating contracts or paying big bucks to his stars. Remember, this is the guy that let three guys go who were voted Defensive MVP of the team by their fellow players (see Trotter, Douglas, and Emmons), and stared down Duce when he held out when he was their only legit RB. This guy doesn't back down. Hasn't let a single player beat him yet. It could get very ugly with TO and Westbrook and Simon etc.

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I would LOVE to have another team in the NFC East have the off-the-field controversy this year (not like we haven't had our share so far).

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I just wanna go on record as saying that I don't agree with T.O. or many other players demanding that their contract be restructured. However, I do think it's funny. I think that's what organizations get for pressuring players into restructuring all the time. If they fall off they have to take less. T.O. stepped up, why shouldn't he get more? I can see where they're coming from. I don't agree, but I think it should make things interesting.

Now I wanna see what happens to Philly now that the real Terrell Owens has resurfaced.[/QUOTE]

I think you're pretty on point with this. And if Portis hadn't been demandnig a restructured contract in Denver would we even see him in burgundy and gold?

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It's interesting to think. I know we would have been after a runningback. I wonder who Gibbs would have wanted if not for Portis.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]It's interesting to think. I know we would have been after a runningback. I wonder who Gibbs would have wanted if not for Portis.[/QUOTE]

dillon maybe? to be fair, portis was running for 1500+ yards and making 500k... that contract was a bit lopsided...

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Most definitely.

And yeah, it probably WOULD have been Dillon. I still think that Portis could come close to 2000 yards next year with the type of rejuvenated line we have. Rabach is all-pro quality. Jansen IS an all-pro and Samuels on the other side. I'm excited to see the holes that will open up with a healthy line.

AND being the running team we are, I think it's very possible he could finish with 1800-2000 yards.

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A few points of clarification here:

Portis' agent is Drew Rosenhaus. What happens here if Portis rushes for 1800 yards and 15 TDs? My guess is a hold-out looking for a restructured contract... In fact, I don't think it would take a monstrous season like that for Ports to want a new deal. Don't rule out the possibility that it happens sooner rather than later.


The Eagles did indeed let Trotter, Douglas and Emmons go. Interestingly, Trotter and Douglas were mediocre with the teams that spent big bucks to get them and are now back with the Eagles for FAR less than they asked for in the first place. And Emmons has been replaced by Dhani Jones without a humongous drop in effectiveness. So, maybe Joe Banner is a stubborn SOB; or maybe he and the coaching staff there are far more insightful into talent levels and team chemistry than most other teams? Hard to tell from afar... The handling of the TO situation may give us some clues here.

BTW, the Eagles are on the verge of trading Cory Simon to the Ravens for a second round pick this year and a third and fifth next year. Simon is the Eagles' designated "franchise player". So for all the folks here who think that putting a franchise tag on a player brings back two first round picks, here is yet another example to show that it rarely happens that way.


Someone talked about the "Orlando Pace fiasco". How did Pace suffer from the Postons' representation? He was the Rams' franchise player meaning he had one year deals making him $8M a year or more. That is hardly someone who has been hosed by his representation. Now he has a long term deal - - which really means he got a bigger signing bonus and took lower annual salaries for the term of the deal. If he gets run over by a bus next week, he did better by getting the signing bonus; if not, it is probably a wash.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]A few points of clarification here:

Portis' agent is Drew Rosenhaus. What happens here if Portis rushes for 1800 yards and 15 TDs? My guess is a hold-out looking for a restructured contract... In fact, I don't think it would take a monstrous season like that for Ports to want a new deal. Don't rule out the possibility that it happens sooner rather than later.
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well, i thought he was one of the highest paid backs in the league (if not the highest for total contract value), and when he signed that contract he was expecting 1500-1600 yards every year... so i guess i would be a bit surprised if 200 yards sends him into a fit for millions more a year...

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When he signed the contract he was the highest paid back in the league - 2 weeks later LT got his contract and bumped him to #2. Not sure where he is now, but not farther down than #5 among RBs.

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Welcome to the "NEW BREED" of team player. The Drew Rosenplayer

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]The Eagles did indeed let Trotter, Douglas and Emmons go. Interestingly, Trotter and Douglas were mediocre with the teams that spent big bucks to get them and are now back with the Eagles for FAR less than they asked for in the first place. And Emmons has been replaced by Dhani Jones without a humongous drop in effectiveness. So, maybe Joe Banner is a stubborn SOB; or maybe he and the coaching staff there are far more insightful into talent levels and team chemistry than most other teams? Hard to tell from afar... The handling of the TO situation may give us some clues here.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree. I use the term "stubborn SOB" as a compliment here because he's a guy that won't pay anyone more than they are really worth. Period. He doesn't care what the name on the back of the jersey says......or at least he hasn't so far. Only time will tell I guess.

And the word around Eagle-land is that the Simon deal is all but dead. He's probably not going anywhere........of course that could change by tomorrow.

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Hopefully Gibbs can instill some of that kind of "hard-assedness" in Snyder. So far, it's working. He's a showing a little restraint.

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Its funny how things can sometimes go full-circle.

Weren't people spending so much time praising the eagles for being so fiscally responsible? Turns out they are treading the line between prudent and cheap because it seems like they have some grumbling pussies on their team now.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I'm sure the Eagles will try to take a tough stance and say "here's the contract you signed...so you'll play here or nowhere else!"

However, I think that's bs. I don't think they should rework TO's deal, but speaking in general, organizations don't give a damn about the ink on a contract when they want to sign an extra free agent and ask a guy to restructure. So, you reap what you sew.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure the Philly fans will be very receptive to T.O. if he sits out through training camp. Perhaps T.O. is tired of being cheered and want to take a WWE "heel" turn.

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[QUOTE=redrock-skins]I'm sure the Philly fans will be very receptive to T.O. if he sits out through training camp. Perhaps T.O. is tired of being cheered and want to take a WWE "heel" turn.[/QUOTE]


Hahaha I have always thought of TO being an heel! LOL!!! :laughing2

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TO was fantastic last year and his play in the SB brought a new respect for the guy from me - but holding out for a new deal just 1 year in is rediculous!!!

I won't lose any sleep the longer/messier the whole situation gets though.