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What did Gibbs say today about the LaVar thing?

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Who cares. Our front office is a looney bin with absolutely no authority. If Lavar "the mouth" wants to talk his stupid hyperbole then just cut him outright. He is no better than anyone else and he didn't do jack shit last year except run his mouth and conveniently cry like he gave a shit. F him. We don't need you Lavar we have a decent defense without your constant over-rated self.

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Thanks for the stellar recap :smashfrea

ok so anyway...

What was said? I can't listen here at work.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Thanks for the stellar recap :smashfrea

ok so anyway...

What was said? I can't listen here at work.[/QUOTE]


That's funny!


I am going to consult with Daseal on this matter, but I am thinking of starting a club, but it is by invitation only and Daseal and myself have final say, we are going to need a name for it I am thinking of going with THE ANTI ARRINGTON DEFAMATION LEAGUE! So far it look's like Irish will get an invite, and Skinz Domin will be the first official members.

And for all those apposed, it's only a matter of time before you join us, so don't fight it, the wall's are crumbling as we speak.

Those who would like a membership will have to prove their worthiness! :headbange :rofl: :coach:

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Basically Matty, coach said that he believes we have the best medical staff in the league. He also talked about how Lavar was mad at him for NOT letting him play earlier on last season. He was asked about Moss and Taylor not attending the workouts and he mentioned something about even though it was voluntary that it is expected of professional football players to basically be there and that there is little time before camp and preseason and how much being there could really help. He mentioned that he heard Santana was a hard worker and he didnt think he missed anything with the Jets. He was also asked if he thought that it had to do with their (Moss and Taylor's) contract negotiations and he said "yes". Thats pretty much the sum of it...I didnt listen to the last 5 minutes or so.

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I'm listening to it right now. At the present moment he's talking about cell phones...LOL!!!

The basic point is that Gibbs basically stressed that neither he nor the trainers forced Arrington to come back before he was ready. Gibbs mentioned that Lavar was the one this past year who was eager to get back onto the field and Gibbs and staff wanted to take a conservative approach to getting him back.

Joe stressed that neither he nor the trainers want players to play hurt. He said in todays game, that is not a very smart thing to do. He also stated that Arrington's comments really surprised him and that they were going to sit down with the surgeon and discuss things. He also talked about how the workouts were not mandatory but that this is a critical time for the Redskins and the players need to be here.

He feels that Moss wants to be here but stresses that it was important for ALL the players to be at the volunteer workouts. He joked and said that players can make babies on their off week - LOL!

Said that Mike Barrow is making progress in his rehab. Continued to stress that Lavar is important to the team's success and the team's future. He also talked about drafting players and stressed character.

Overall...he said that this team doesn't appear to have as many problems as what other teams around the league might be experiencing. He feels losing two players is a far cry from the amount of players other teams have lost.

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[QUOTE=offiss]
And for all those apposed[/QUOTE]

You don't want us to pose? :)

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I think Lavar has a problem with reality, he see's thing's that aren't there, everything Gibbs is saying is what I remembered hearing last year, I can only imagine what Lavar thought he heard when he was negotiating his contract. :doh:

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man reporters make taylor look bad

it just seems that taylor being gone is a scarier issue than moss.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]You don't want us to pose? :)[/QUOTE]


Only he who proves to be the ultimate Anti Arrington member can pose. :)

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[QUOTE=offiss]Only he who proves to be the ultimate Anti Arrington member can pose. :)[/QUOTE]


For some reason, I have this mental image of Honz and Fronz from Saturday night live posing! We are going to....pump you up! :laughing2

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[QUOTE=offiss]I am going to consult with Daseal on this matter, but I am thinking of starting a club, but it is by invitation only and Daseal and myself have final say, we are going to need a name for it I am thinking of going with THE ANTI ARRINGTON DEFAMATION LEAGUE! So far it look's like Irish will get an invite, and Skinz Domin will be the first official members.[/QUOTE]

Oooo, can I join?! I just love blaming the ONE redskins player who has been to the pro bowl 3 times in the last 5 years for all of the skins' problems and having one losing season after another!

Can we worship Steve Spurrier too? If so, I just have to be allowed in.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]Oooo, can I join?! I just love blaming the ONE redskins player who has been to the pro bowl 3 times in the last 5 years for all of the skins' problems and having one losing season after another!

Can we worship Steve Spurrier too? If so, I just have to be allowed in.[/QUOTE]


PSU that little comment just earned you a lifetime ban! :nono:

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So who is the next redskin for everyone to turn there back on ? It seems like there is more hate for our players then there is love for our team on this website right now.

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[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]So who is the next redskin for everyone to turn there back on ? It seems like there is more hate for our players then there is love for our team on this website right now.[/QUOTE]


I would think it's the anti Brunell club, but I will leave that to someone else running one club is enough for me, but I will join that's for sure. :biggthump

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PSUskinsfan: Are we blaming Arrington for our woes? Nope. Are we blaming for having a contract out of his league? Yep. I can't think of any player that would turn down more money than they're worth.

Don't act like our comments are all of a sudden new. LaVar is a [b]good[/b] player. He makes fantastic plays and is exciting. Problem is, he happens to run right by people sometimes and lets them get large gains because of it. He's not the best player on our team, let alone on our defense. (One could argue Taylor, Washington, Springs, and Griffen ahead of him.) Yet he's the highest paid LB (maybe not anymore) in the league?

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[QUOTE=offiss]I would think it's the anti Brunell club, but I will leave that to someone else running one club is enough for me, but I will join that's for sure. :biggthump[/QUOTE]


I think Brunell himself would be willing to join that club! :lol:

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Anybody trying to bring down LaVar isn't going to get any help from me. Last time I tried to say anything remotely bad about him I got crucified on this site. That was before most of you were on this site. But I remember during the offseason/season leading up to Champ's contract year I said the Skins should keep him over LaVar and you would've thought I was trying to get a group together to assassinate the pope or something. I don't think anybody was on my side that time.

Anyway, I'm trying to stay off of this offseason. I don't know what the hell is going on. Where is the discipline Joe Gibbs was going to instill. This is ridiculous. I would have expected this kind of offseason with Spurrier, but I don't know what is going on.

One thing I will say in Arrington's defense is that he is basically the face of the Redskins. He is the most beloved athlete in DC. I don't care what any of you say, that's a fact. I don't care where you rate him on the D, he's the biggest star we have. Is he irreplaceable? No. Does he put fans in the seats? No. He is, however, the most loved athlete in DC.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I would think it's the anti Brunell club, but I will leave that to someone else running one club is enough for me, but I will join that's for sure. :biggthump[/QUOTE]

I think me and Ramseyfan championed the anti-Brunell cause. Then, when he really started to suck everyone who opposed us disappeared from the site for an extended period of time so we forgot all of their user names.

He's just another one of the people that actually sucks that you all have acted like it was sacreligious to hate in the time I've been on this site. Short list of a few examples: Ifeani Ohelete, Ladell Betts, Mark Brunell...that's all I can think of, but I've spent plenty of time trying to convince everyone how bad they are and there's always at least three people who seem to think that it's a personal attack on them...lol

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I think me and Ramseyfan championed the anti-Brunell cause. Then, when he really started to suck everyone who opposed us disappeared from the site for an extended period of time so we forgot all of their user names.
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What were their user names?

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Enough of this crap - What did Gibbs say about CELL PHONES! Quick! Update us, skinsguy!

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[QUOTE=Daseal]PSUskinsfan: Are we blaming Arrington for our woes? Nope. Are we blaming for having a contract out of his league? Yep. I can't think of any player that would turn down more money than they're worth.

Don't act like our comments are all of a sudden new. LaVar is a [b]good[/b] player. He makes fantastic plays and is exciting. Problem is, he happens to run right by people sometimes and lets them get large gains because of it. He's not the best player on our team, let alone on our defense. (One could argue Taylor, Washington, Springs, and Griffen ahead of him.) Yet he's the highest paid LB (maybe not anymore) in the league?[/QUOTE]

Well everybody is entitled to their opinions I guess. You want to rip Arrington apart, and I want to defend him. I would certainly hope I'm not out-of-line for doing such a thing on a Redskins fan site and this certainly isn't anything new between the two of us. I just wonder how many people around the NFL really thought Arrington's contract was out of his league before he was injured last year. I know you're opinion, I'm just looking for somewhere else that any NFL experts said "Wow, what are the skins thinking?" when he signed the contract.

And I'm not acting like this is all the sudden. I don't care how long you've been saying it.........it doesn't make you right just because you keep saying the same thing over and over. If you want to make the case for other guys who have all been with the team for a whopping ONE year, go ahead. I guess then to be fair I'll just take Arrington's best single year and match it up against what they all did last year. I'm willing to make that argument. But I think you'd be hard-pressed to ask around the NFL and get many coaches and GMs who would actually take Cornelius Griffen over LA on their team. Or would rather have Shawn Springs over LA. Or would rather take Marcus Washington over LA if given the choice to take one of them. There's a reason we got those guys as cheap as we did. We didn't exactly have to beat other teams off with a stick or get into any bidding wars to sign them (and I do love those guys, I really do......I'm just being realistic about the comparisons). I don't mean to belittle their contibutions last year. No doubt they had great years and I hope for the same this year. But I would have really liked to have seen what kind of year LA would have had under Williams' system too.

As for comparing a rookie who can't even show up to voluntary workouts with a 3-time pro bowler? Well, again, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinions.

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Listening to Gibbs right now, he always sets things straight. Of course the team doesn't want LaVar or anybody for that matter to play when they're hurt and shouldn't go.

LaVar is frustrated by the setback, but so is the team. LaVar talks when he's upset and when he's happy, it's no secret and it shouldn't come as a surprise.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Enough of this crap - What did Gibbs say about CELL PHONES! Quick! Update us, skinsguy![/QUOTE]


LOL!! Nothing actually related to the players and cell phones. During this interview....a cell phone that one of the reporters apparently had kept going off every five minutes during the interview. Gibbs just kind of joked about it.....

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Back on the subject, NFL Total Access had a story about LaVar Arrington and his media interview. They basically said the samething we said here: Lavar is just frustrated and his passion for wanting to play got the best of him.

The also briefly talked about Santana Moss not showing up for the workouts. Basically what was said is that coaches like for players to be with the team so they can monitor the player's workouts and see them getting stronger and bigger. Also said something about a player must decide if working out at home is going to interfere with establishing that one on one with the QB....especially when you're the new guy in town and you'll need to get on the same page as the QB.

NFL TA also had a brief thing on TO. Apparently, Owens had something to say about McNabb being tired toward the end of the Super Bowl.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]What were their user names?[/QUOTE]

I don't remember, I just remember Ramseyfan pointing out that they no one was arguing anymore and that he hadn't seen them in a while.

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I have no problem with players except when they piss and moan about money. I could work my ass off 20 years and not make as much as most of them make in a year. The money they make is outrageous.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]I don't remember, I just remember Ramseyfan pointing out that they no one was arguing anymore and that he hadn't seen them in a while.[/QUOTE]

I know I for one was in favor of the brunnel signing(even though I didn't like the size of the contract or giving up a 3rd rounder for him) but after the way he played last year there was no way any sane person could justify him being the starter and I think there should be a realistic shot for him to get bumped to 3rd string sometime this summer. Last year the move made sense has Ramsey hadn't proven himself without a shadow of a doubt that he deserved to have the starting job and Gibbs has always had a thing for veteran qbs. I can't believe anyone anywhere could have imagined one of the top 10 statistically most accurate qbs of all time playing like he had never played before.

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru] I can't believe anyone anywhere could have imagined one of the top 10 statistically most accurate qbs of all time playing like he had never played before.[/QUOTE]

I really think he just "lost it". He hadent played in two years before coming here, he was hurt all the time, and he just couldnt cut it anymore. I am a huge Brunell fan (of his Jaguar days), I found him to be one of the most dangerous QB's around, but when I think of what went wrong, I just htink he got old and lost it.

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[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]So who is the next redskin for everyone to turn there back on ? It seems like there is more hate for our players then there is love for our team on this website right now.[/QUOTE]


Number #1 on the list: Ade Jimoh! The injuries, the lack of offense, the kicking game, blame everything on Ade! Including the poor trade for 1(a) below.

Number #1(a): Brunnell!

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I too was in favor of the Brunell deal initially. Ramsey wasn't ready early on, and Brunell was a proven veteran.

Looking back on last year, yeah Brunell played pretty bad, but he had some help in that. The offense as a whole was just totally out of sync. I'm not saying he would have looked like a Pro Bowler if the guys around him played better, but it could have made a difference to a degree.

The thing that bothered me most about Brunell was how timid he seemed in the pocket. He always seemed to have happy feet, perhaps his hamstring injury had something to do with it too because it really looked like his mechanics were way off.

Brunell isn't a fastball pitcher who can just rear back and throw heat, he's an off-speed pitcher who needs to be fundamentally sound, and he clearly wasn't last year in my eyes. Whether or not he can recapture that is yet to be seen, and hopefully we can keep Ramsey on the field so we don't have to find out if Brunell really has simply lost it completely.

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Yep, I was also a fan of Brunell. I felt it was a good move to give him the starting job - clearly Ramsey wasn't ready to start at the beginning of the season. I'm with you Matty, I think Brunell had a lot of help with his poor play.

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People need to remember that Springs and Griffin were various degrees of washed up before before they were allowed to thrive in Williams' talent exaggerating defensive schemes, and Pierce was a complete nobody. While all three players had great years last year, their success was largely facilitated by their assimilation into a new defensive culture. So how does Lavar fit into this?

First, to argue that Lavar is not the best athlete on our defense is insane (not that anyone would); but to argue that he isn't the best player when he hasn't been privy to the same year of coaching that has made probowlers out of scrubs is equally mad, or at least shortsighted. Remember how Lavar played under Marvin Lewis, before George Edwards basically sent him out there to run around and jump on people? Or remember how the patently inferior Lemar Marshall played in Lavar's stead under Williams' coaching. It's not a coincidence that a group erstwhile bums all became good players at the same time

Before we turn on yet another Skin let's at least accord him the same opportunity enjoyed by his defensive peers.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65]People need to remember that Springs and Griffin were various degrees of washed up before before they were allowed to thrive in Williams' defensive talent exaggerating schemes, and Pierce was a complete nobody. While all three players had great years last year, their success was largely facilitated by their assimilation into a new defensive culture. So how does Lavar fit into this?

First, to argue that Lavar is not the best athlete on our defense is insane (not that anyone would); but to argue that he isn't the best player when he hasn't been privy to the same year of coaching that has made probowlers out of scrubs is equally mad, or at least shortsighted. Remember how Lavar played under Marvin Lewis, before George Edwards basically sent him out there to run around and jump on people? Or remember how the patently inferior Lemar Marshall played in Lavar's stead. It's not a coincidence that these erstwhile bums all became good players at the same time

Before we turn on yet another Skin let's at least accord him the same opportunity enjoyed by his defensive peers.[/QUOTE]

Nice take, I agree!

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i know it's frustraqting for everyone, real slow offseason, (everyone's suffering from sensory deprovation), and the ugliness of cole crap and now lavar, hurts. we have no input or true understanding of what spured it on. fear, frustration, who know. but come regular season when he knocks someone into next week all will be forgotten.winning will solve everything. it's not easy shedding this whole losing thing we've had. it's qa fight. hang in there

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[QUOTE=djnemo65]People need to remember that Springs and Griffin were various degrees of washed up before before they were allowed to thrive in Williams' talent exaggerating defensive schemes, and Pierce was a complete nobody. While all three players had great years last year, their success was largely facilitated by their assimilation into a new defensive culture. So how does Lavar fit into this?

First, to argue that Lavar is not the best athlete on our defense is insane (not that anyone would); but to argue that he isn't the best player when he hasn't been privy to the same year of coaching that has made probowlers out of scrubs is equally mad, or at least shortsighted. Remember how Lavar played under Marvin Lewis, before George Edwards basically sent him out there to run around and jump on people? Or remember how the patently inferior Lemar Marshall played in Lavar's stead under Williams' coaching. It's not a coincidence that a group erstwhile bums all became good players at the same time

Before we turn on yet another Skin let's at least accord him the same opportunity enjoyed by his defensive peers.[/QUOTE]


VERY, VERY Well said.

fyi, there actually are certain people on this site that have tried to argue that Lavar is not the best athelete on our defense. I won't mention names. They know their folly.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65]People need to remember that Springs and Griffin were various degrees of washed up before before they were allowed to thrive in Williams' talent exaggerating defensive schemes, and Pierce was a complete nobody. While all three players had great years last year, their success was largely facilitated by their assimilation into a new defensive culture. So how does Lavar fit into this?

First, to argue that Lavar is not the best athlete on our defense is insane (not that anyone would); but to argue that he isn't the best player when he hasn't been privy to the same year of coaching that has made probowlers out of scrubs is equally mad, or at least shortsighted. Remember how Lavar played under Marvin Lewis, before George Edwards basically sent him out there to run around and jump on people? Or remember how the patently inferior Lemar Marshall played in Lavar's stead under Williams' coaching. It's not a coincidence that a group erstwhile bums all became good players at the same time

Before we turn on yet another Skin let's at least accord him the same opportunity enjoyed by his defensive peers.[/QUOTE]


I won't argue whether Lavar is the best athlete. We have several "best athletes". S Taylor, C. Portis, LaVarr, and M. Washington come to mind. Pretty hard to rate one above the other.

I never thought Springs or Griffin were in various stages of being washed up. I thought each of their signings was dependent on several issues, injury and their past productivity inclusive. But not washed up. Me, well, I AM washed up! I'm twice the legal age, and over-weight! So, any attempt to sign me would have been a total wash-out!

I've heard a couple of sound bites, and read both the Post & Times on the Press conference. I do agree with the Sports Reporters, 980 Sportstalk, which I was barely able to tune in here in Norfolk, VA. Their assessment was: Why have a press conference for every little distraction such as Arringtons outburst, and S. Taylor and Moss's absence?

Now THAT, I agree with! We have the NFL Draft that the coaches should be concentrating on. These other "minor" blips will be over and forgotten the day after the Draft, and a long distant faded memory come training camp time!

If we take a page from the SB Champion Patriots, who would never have a press conference for such as this, we should do exactly as they! Never even acknowledge it in the press or any other setting. Of course, then, what would we have to talk about?