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Welp, here we are at the bye with a record of 3-6. There've been plenty of disappointments so far: Griffin's injury, the usual Redskins BS drama, being blown out by the Giants on TNF, Orakpo, etc. But there have been some positives as well: beating the Cowboys on MNF with our 3rd string QB, the emergence of Breeland, Robinson, and to a lesser degree Amerson, DJax's beast of a season, and the special teams' improvement(yeah, well, I wanted to list as many highs as lows, so I had to reach a little, don't judge me).

But aside from all that, the facts are the facts, and we have 3 wins through 9 games. I predicted a 7-9 record before the season started, and unfortunately that may have been a bit optimistic. Remaining games are vs. Tampa Bay, at San Francisco, at Indianapolis, vs. St. Louis, at the NY Giants, vs. Philadelphia, and vs. Dallas. If recent history can tell us anything, it's that there is a good chance we'll close out the season with only two more wins. That's what I see realistically, but maybe we can squeak another one in there somewhere and finish 6-10. That would still be a solid improvement over last year.

But who knows... maybe the RG3 that made Redskins fans everywhere believe comes out after the bye and we win 7 straight. Or maybe we crash and burn, losing every game from here on out, leading Snyder and Allen to fire Gruden, promote Haslett to HC, sign Carson Palmer to a 5 year deal worth 110 million, and... give Redskins fans everywhere hope again? :Smoker:

What sayeth the mob?

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6-10 is probably the ceiling. I just want to see Griffin progress, cut down on the bonehead plays (like the late 2nd quarter interception at Minnesota) and look like the he is the future of the franchise. I want to see Haslett get canned. I don't care how injured the defense is.
You just can't allow a rookie QB with a half dozen NFL starts to drive the length of the field for a TD not once but twice in the 4th quarter.

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7-9 and that's really pushing it. Most likely 5-11. I do think griffin plays the rest of the way and ends up with about 10 tds and 5 ints

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Well - RG3 is back in there, and that unfortunatley is for better or worse. I think as long as he is in there - you hover around .500 worse case scenario, and if he plays well perhaps you squeak one or two out.

I understand the need for Snyder to tell Gruden that he is playing RG3, but in turn that meant we ended up benching the guy who had won two straight (Colt McCoy).

I also sort of wonder what kind of shit will hit the fan if the skins lose out, and i wonder if that ever comes up in anyones conversations - that the decision on starting QB was made by the owner.

I think it brings up the other great point that many posters have pointed out. It's going to be very tough to get good HC's and coordinators when it is well known that in actuality they have very little say on personnel, who to start, etc.. I can't imagine any legit HC coming here after Gruden when he already knows that he may not get the final say on who starts, etc...

I hope we finish better than last year. 6-10 sucks but it shows some improvement. I think in year two Gruden has to be at least 8-8 or he' gone....

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As far as the playoffs go the season is over. To me the rest of the season is all about RG3 and if he shows enough development and promise to justify the team signing him to a big contract extension.

The sub-plot is Jim Haslett and the D. Can the D show progress and play well enough for JH to keep his job?

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My expectations is by the end of the season RG3 should fully understand and should be able to execute Jay Gruden offense. If he cant, im looking in the offseason for a vet QB to come in and push RG3 for the starting job.

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I want RG3 to continue to develop and for Gruden to work with him and make him an efficient/competent starter. I'd like to see Morris continue to improve and for the team to be a run first offense.

On defense, I'd like to see more in the development of Breeland and Amerson. Hopefully Phillip Thomas can come in and develop as well (and stay healthy). I also would like to see Murphy improve his game, I think this is a great opportunity.

Haslett and the entire defensive staff needs to go in the offseason; let the new DC bring his own staff. I think each aspect of the defense has messed up enough that it doesn't make sense to keep anyone IMO.

Finally, I really don't want to see the following players back next season: Chester, Polumbus, R. Clark, Paulsen, and maybe Meriweather. I hope the team focuses on the right side of the o-line and the safety position during the offseason. A replacement NT or FS in the first round would not be a bad idea if we have a high pick; if we have a low pick, I wouldn't mind taking in a guard or a tackle.

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Yeah, Id like to see what Phillip Thomas has...he's at SS Im assuming? Put this dude in

Add to your list Steven Bowen above.

Im looking to see Hatcher, Cofield and Baker as the D-Line starters til the end of the season

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My expectations: 7 straight wins, division champs.

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[quote=Lotus;1093228]My expectations: 7 straight wins, division champs.[/quote]

**mic drop**

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[quote=Lotus;1093228]My expectations: 7 straight wins, division champs.[/quote]

Hey if we could do it once...

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[quote=Lotus;1093228]My expectations: 7 straight wins, division champs.[/quote]

I honestly felt if the 'skins had taken care of business in Minnesota, They would have maybe dropped one more game (against the Colts) because the rest of the teams looked very beatable. Now since they obviously screwed the pooch against the Vikings, I don't know what to expect from them anymore.

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My expectations are that the 'Skins PR folks will consistently f*** things up and, essentially, attempt to douse every spark of controversy with gasoline.

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You know, I have to say that so far, I think Gruden is the right man for the job. I think he's trying to do everything he can to lessen all of the bull crap that seems to be associated with this team (off the field controversies, player favoritism, etc...) I think he really is a no nonsense coach. I also feel he has the tools and the ability to right the ship - BUT.....

I wonder if the world around him is going to allow him to do this. The media? The front office? The players? For once, I love having a coach who says that the best possible player is going to start - and that may not be the current starter. I love the idea that he is not sticking with RGIII no matter what in terms of the future for this team, even though I love RGIII. In the end, I want Gruden to build a winning program with a winning culture but in doing so, knowing that if it takes jettison the face of the franchise or a coach, or whoever it may be, I'm all for it. In the end, I'm more of a Washington Redskins fan than I am a fan of particular players. Sure, I have my favorites, but for the long term, my favorites are players who take care of business on the field.

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My brain tells me 5-11
My gut tells me 6-10
My heart tells me 10-6

My brain tells me, RG3 can turn things around, but it's 50/50 at best that he'll pan out.
My gut tells me that he won't pan out.
My heart says he will become the elite QB he is supposed to be.

My brain tells me Haslett should go.
My gut tells me Haslett should go.
My heart tells me Haslett should go.

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[quote=WillH;1093240]My brain tells me 5-11
My gut tells me 6-10
My heart tells me 10-6

My brain tells me, RG3 can turn things around, but it's 50/50 at best that he'll pan out.
My gut tells me that he won't pan out.
My heart says he will become the elite QB he is supposed to be.

My brain tells me Haslett should go.
My gut tells me Haslett should go.
My heart tells me Haslett should go.[/quote]

It's settled then. The front office says Haslett stays! :joecool:

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I think we probably win another 2 games, maybe 3 at best -- so a losing record this season, but a marginal improvement over last season. Not what any of us had hoped for. But more than the record, I would like to see RGIII progress as a QB. If he can put up some solid numbers, develop more of a pocket presence and quick release, and we can see some added growth from the youngsters on the team -- to me, that's more important than wins and losses, as this season is basically lost anyway. If we win more than a couple of games, that's gravy to me at this point.

A shame. We have enough talent on this team to do better, I think (at least on offense). I still think we're about 3 players away from being a good team -- 2 OL, and 1 safety, although I am also thinking we need some DL help. But at the moment, we don't have superstars of sufficient caliber to mask the deficiencies on both sides of the ball.

At least our kicking game seems solid.

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[quote=calia;1093262]I think we probably win another 2 games, maybe 3 at best -- so a losing record this season, but a marginal improvement over last season. Not what any of us had hoped for. But more than the record, I would like to see RGIII progress as a QB. If he can put up some solid numbers, develop more of a pocket presence and quick release, and we can see some added growth from the youngsters on the team -- to me, that's more important than wins and losses, as this season is basically lost anyway. If we win more than a couple of games, that's gravy to me at this point.

A shame. We have enough talent on this team to do better, I think (at least on offense). I still think we're about 3 players away from being a good team -- 2 OL, and 1 safety, although I am also thinking we need some DL help. But at the moment, we don't have superstars of sufficient caliber to mask the deficiencies on both sides of the ball.

[B]At least our kicking game seems solid.[/B][/quote]

Forbath was surprisingly good on kickoffs against Minny.

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^ Yes, he was. And Tress Way has been terrific.

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Practice practice and more practice.

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[quote=Lotus;1093228]My expectations: 7 straight wins, division champs.[/quote]

.......word

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[quote=skinsguy;1093238]You know, I have to say that so far, I think Gruden is the right man for the job. I think he's trying to do everything he can to lessen all of the bull crap that seems to be associated with this team (off the field controversies, player favoritism, etc...) I think he really is a no nonsense coach. I also feel he has the tools and the ability to right the ship - BUT.....

I wonder if the world around him is going to allow him to do this. The media? The front office? The players? For once, I love having a coach who says that the best possible player is going to start - and that may not be the current starter. [B][I]I love the idea that he is not sticking with RGIII no matter what in terms of the future for this team, even though I love RGIII.[/I][/B] In the end, I want Gruden to build a winning program with a winning culture but in doing so, knowing that if it takes jettison the face of the franchise or a coach, or whoever it may be, I'm all for it. In the end, I'm more of a Washington Redskins fan than I am a fan of particular players. Sure, I have my favorites, but for the long term, my favorites are players who take care of business on the field.[/quote]

I'm not sure how it may pan out - but when Dan Snyder / Bruce Allen tells him who he is going to play - how do you think that bodes for Gruden's future if he were to say "no Mr. Snyder - i'm going to start (whoever)". Only way that works out for JG is if whoever he puts in lights it up and the Skins start winning again....

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[QUOTE=WillH;1093240]My brain tells me 5-11

My gut tells me 6-10

My heart tells me 10-6



My brain tells me, RG3 can turn things around, but it's 50/50 at best that he'll pan out.

My gut tells me that he won't pan out.

My heart says he will become the elite QB he is supposed to be.



My brain tells me Haslett should go.

My gut tells me Haslett should go.

My heart tells me Haslett should go.[/QUOTE]


Haha. That is awesome.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1093285]I'm not sure how it may pan out - but when Dan Snyder / Bruce Allen tells him who he is going to play - how do you think that bodes for Gruden's future if he were to say "no Mr. Snyder - i'm going to start (whoever)". Only way that works out for JG is if whoever he puts in lights it up and the Skins start winning again....[/QUOTE]


This sort of thing happens quite often around the league. Not many coaches have full autonomy. Even the ones that do accept input from others in the org.

And it's not as if anyone held a gun to Gruden's head and made him start Griffin over his wishes.

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I expect us to play 7 more games this season.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1093290]I expect us to play 7 more games this season.[/quote]

How many of them do you actually expect us to show up to though?

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Man, it feels like we're here every year- early Nov. and the only hope for the playoffs is a miraculous unbeaten streak.

I really didn't expect playoffs this year with installing a new offense, a first year head coach, suspect o-line & secondary....not to mention a team coming off a 3-13 year.

So, with 7 games left, I'd be hoping to see further improvement as the season moves along.

if the skin's go...
0-7 or 1-6 to end the year - I think that would require some drastic changes -
coaching staff among them.

2-5 to close out the season would cause me long reflection on what organizational changes would be required. (Defensive staff/scheme, o-line staff/scheme, etc.)

Anything better than those listed above (3-4, 4-3, 5-2, 6-1 and a streak of 7-0)
would demonstrate improvement in the right direction.

I was really expecting a 7-9 or 8-8 record at the beginning of the year (of course, hoping for better) so 6-10 wouldn't be far off & is a step up from last year's dismal record.

Hail!

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[quote=irish;1093215]As far as the playoffs go the season is over. To me the rest of the season is all about RG3 and if he shows enough development and promise to justify the team signing him to a big contract extension.

The sub-plot is Jim Haslett and the D. Can the D show progress and play well enough for JH to keep his job?[/quote]

Pretty much this. Griffin had a great building block of a game against Minnesota, but let's see if he actually can build off of it. I think Griffin will play well over the rest of the season; probably not well enough to erase all doubts, but definitely better than last year.

[quote=Lotus;1093228]My expectations: 7 straight wins, division champs.[/quote]

Hey, I have a unicorn I'm willing to sell for $10,000 shipped, sight unseen. Interested? :D

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Haslett needs to go!! Lets find out really who we have on the team..try everybody..shake things up..Lets see if RGIII can even last the rest of season! i say he will get hurt again this year..he almost got hurt at minnesota!..he always seems to be in the wrong place and whats up with his "stop" move on the sacks..watch the tape..when the defender closes in he freezes and goes down. we might beat tampa and maybe 2 more wins.6-10 most likely which sucks because there goes a top draft pick..i would rather be 3-13 than 6-10 ..this team needs players!

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the rest of this season is all about Hankerson taking us to the SB. Anyone says differently, better just leave



:food-smil: to SirLK :)

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Has it been confirmed Dan Snyder / Bruce Allen force Jay to play RG3?

My biggest issue with the team is the defense. When the defense plays well, we usually win. When the defense gives up 29 to the Vikings, we lose. How do we give us 29 to the Vikings?

RG3 has his issues, but every young QB does.

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Based on WillH's brilliant system, here's my breakdown of the remaining games.. What my heart wants (ie. RG3 starts to play lights out, Oline Long/Moses start & do well, Defense starts to show up, PThomas starts/does well, etc).. Completely making up our chance of winning these games:

Game...................Heart..............Brain
Tampa Bay.............90%...............65%
at San Francisco.....50%...............25%
at Indianapolis........50%...............10%
St. Louis.................70%...............40%
at the NY Giants......60%...............20%
Philadelphia.............50%...............10%
Dallas......................70%...............50%


Totalling it up:
Heart - we're going to win about 4-5 of next 7 games, record: 7-9 or 8-8
Brain - we're going to win about 2 out of next 7 games, record: 5-11


Doesn't quite matter since either way we miss the playoffs.. Unfortunately the better we do the lower the draft pick, and it would seem that's what we're playing for now...

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Redskins workout 14 players including QB Terrelle Pryor, RB Jeff Demps, and Donte Moss Page

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1093296]the rest of this season is all about Hankerson taking us to the SB. Anyone says differently, better just leave



:food-smil: to SirLK :)[/quote]

Woohoo! It's Hanktime, baby!

On a completely unrelated note, I became a huge fan of Sean McVay today. I have no idea [URL="http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-Add-Hankerson-To-Active-Roster/14649f21-1a1e-4cab-b162-a24e8e95f092"]why[/URL], honest.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1093302]Redskins workout 14 players including QB Terrelle Pryor, RB Jeff Demps, and Donte Moss Page[/quote]

Donte Paige Moss, and I would take Demps and Pryor, if this was Madden

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1093291]How many of them do you actually expect us to show up to though?[/quote]

3.2, that is my guess

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[quote=ethat001;1093299]Based on WillH's brilliant system, here's my breakdown of the remaining games.. What my heart wants (ie. RG3 starts to play lights out, Oline Long/Moses start & do well, Defense starts to show up, PThomas starts/does well, etc).. Completely making up our chance of winning these games:

Game...................Heart..............Brain
Tampa Bay.............90%...............65%
at San Francisco.....50%...............25%
at Indianapolis........50%...............10%
St. Louis.................70%...............40%
at the NY Giants......60%...............20%
Philadelphia.............50%...............10%
Dallas......................70%...............50%


Totalling it up:
Heart - we're going to win about 4-5 of next 7 games, record: 7-9 or 8-8
Brain - we're going to win about 2 out of next 7 games, record: 5-11


Doesn't quite matter since either way we miss the playoffs.. Unfortunately the better we do the lower the draft pick, and it would seem that's what we're playing for now...[/quote]

Thanks Ethat! It's just the only way I can make sense of my conflicted feelings about this team. It's either that or I acknowledge that the Redskins have me teetering on the edge of multiple personality disorder . . . Who said that? Me. Stop talking.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1093302]Redskins workout 14 players including QB Terrelle Pryor, RB Jeff Demps, and Donte Moss Page[/quote]

Also Lanier Coleman, Mo Hurt, Arrelious Benn, Tony Moeaki and Tim Hightower

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It bothers me that Gruden called the collapse of the defense against Minnesota a "collective" failure. That's because when everybody is to blame then supposedly nobody is to blame.

It bothers me even more that he went on to say that "no one coach" is to blame. I read this as an indirect defense of Haslett.

The way I see it, if the whole damn defense can't figure out their assignments, then there is indeed one coach to blame and that coach is the DC. If the defense continues to look clueless and the DC is not replaced, then there will be another coach to blame, the HC.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1093333]It bothers me that Gruden called the collapse of the defense against Minnesota a "collective" failure. That's because when everybody is to blame then supposedly nobody is to blame.



It bothers me even more that he went on to say that "no one coach" is to blame. I read this as an indirect defense of Haslett.



The way I see it, if the whole damn defense can't figure out their assignments, then there is indeed one coach to blame and that coach is the DC. If the defense continues to look clueless and the DC is not replaced, then there will be another coach to blame, the HC.[/QUOTE]


What is he supposed to do throw his DC under the bus? Even if it was primarily his fault they lost the game, you win as a team and you lose as a team. I think everyone in the world knows Haz is on his last leg. Gruden didnt need to say it, nor should he have.