The RG3 Sucks - Knee Jerk Reaction Thread
 

Sorry, but all three threads have gone to RG3 discussions so I figured a thread devoted to him and his performance the next 6 weeks would be better.

Carry on! Let the other threads discussions stay on track.

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He really does suck. The poor footwork on drop backs drives me crazy. Backpedals, lazy drops, that's basic stuff.

Drop backs should look crisp, get to the spot quickly and athletically. It would at least give me a LITTLE signal that you can take coaching.

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He might suck...I'm not sure yet.
Having said that I would try to trade him early next year.

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All I know is he is focused on San Francisco....

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He certainly sucked against Tampa Bay but that doesn't mean that he is doomed to suck forever. If he must play the rest of this season, then he must also show steady improvement to keep his job next season.

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I was his biggest supporter and defender, and I still like him and want him to be the franchise QB we mortgaged the house for, but I have absolutely no hope for that anymore... If we could trade him next year for anything, I say do it...

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/19/chris-cooley-rgiii-was-so-bad-i-cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/]Chris Cooley: RGIII was so bad, I can’t assess the rest of the Redskins’ offense - The Washington Post[/url]
This is a pretty damn good breakdown of how terrible RG3 was on Sunday. The mis-reads are even more egregious in hindsight.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;1094893][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/19/chris-cooley-rgiii-was-so-bad-i-cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/"]Chris Cooley: RGIII was so bad, I can’t assess the rest of the Redskins’ offense - The Washington Post[/URL]
This is a pretty damn good breakdown of how terrible RG3 was on Sunday. The mis-reads are even more egregious in hindsight.[/quote]

Amazingly good analysis. Take out Merrill Hoge, put him on NFL Matchup.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;1094893][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/19/chris-cooley-rgiii-was-so-bad-i-cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/"]Chris Cooley: RGIII was so bad, I can’t assess the rest of the Redskins’ offense - The Washington Post[/URL]
This is a pretty damn good breakdown of how terrible RG3 was on Sunday. The mis-reads are even more egregious in hindsight.[/quote]

I highly, highly recommend that everyone on The Warpath read this. It should be required reading before anyone is allowed to comment on RG3.

This shows to me that we do not have a student of the game on our hands. RG3 loves to talk about believing in yourself, and working hard, and the drive to get better, and he loves his inspirational quotes. And by all accounts he is working hard. Everyone at Redskins Park says so.

But you don't see the ability to process what he's seeing on the field and read it. He's just not doing it. The Shanahans scaled down their offense to make it work for Robert, simplifying the reads so he could adapt as a rookie. He's had injuries which hurts the mental aspect, but as Cooley aptly points out, he's missing BASIC stuff. Like day one of training camp basics.

Given that he's working hard, and given that he's still missing simple reads, I'm left to question whether he is mentally sharp enough to process the reads on the field quickly enough. It's either that or he's really afraid of getting hit, so much so that he's too frazzled to make the right decisions.

Either way, he needs to get better quickly or I would never resign him past his rookie contract.

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The article was brutal but fair. This had to be Robert's worst game as a Skin, by far. Really casts doubt as to whether he can ever perform at the NFL level.

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[QUOTE=ArtMonkDrillz;1094893][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/19/chris-cooley-rgiii-was-so-bad-i-cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/]Chris Cooley: RGIII was so bad, I can’t assess the rest of the Redskins’ offense - The Washington Post[/url]

This is a pretty damn good breakdown of how terrible RG3 was on Sunday. The mis-reads are even more egregious in hindsight.[/QUOTE]


It's definitely concerning how he's missing wide open looks and not pulling the trigger on easy reads. I really don't get it. Get the ball out, move the ball down the field.

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How can watching him play poorly the last 2 seasons be a "knee jerk" reaction? He hasn't won a game in over a year...

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;1094893][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/19/chris-cooley-rgiii-was-so-bad-i-cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/]Chris Cooley: RGIII was so bad, I can’t assess the rest of the Redskins’ offense - The Washington Post[/url]
This is a pretty damn good breakdown of how terrible RG3 was on Sunday. The mis-reads are even more egregious in hindsight.[/quote]

Love Cooley's breakdowns. He not only tells you the "why" but with a DVR, shows you as well.

What is so damning about his evaluation of RGIII's play is the inability to follow the gameplan on simple concepts and simple reads. With the coaches later in the game reverting to base offense from camp and wondering what if anything he can execute. I'm assuming, without knowing Cooley knows what he is talking about. If Cooley knows this, Gruden and our coaches know this, and opposing defenses know this.

I am also greatly encouraged by the offensive game planning and play calling. A handful of game changing opportunities were missed and many more smaller plays to move the ball up and down the field were blown.

In the same show as Cooley's film breakdown of RGIII, Chris Baker commented that the players were ok with Gruden's honesty because it applied to everyone across the board. Admittedly, I don't think Baker could criticize Gruden on a radio show. But Gruden's approach is in sharp contrast to reports from a year ago that RGIII didn't want his bad plays shown in film sessions.

I find the notion that Gruden's honest pressers are laying the foundation for making ALL player decisions on performance rather than Subway commercials very interesting.

Gruden, unlike Shanahan cannot and should not let his success and the success of the team be so intertwined with RGIII's ability to improve.

By being critical of everyone, coaches included, he is able to try his case in the court of public opinion and maintain a sense of fairness. I believe with logic and reason on his side, he will win. Or, at least lose and maintain his reputation. Something Shanahan was unable to do.

Winning and losing all being shades of gray. I hope Jay is able to run things his way and succeed or fail on his own merit, which I believe is substantial.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;1094893][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/19/chris-cooley-rgiii-was-so-bad-i-cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/]Chris Cooley: RGIII was so bad, I can’t assess the rest of the Redskins’ offense - The Washington Post[/url]
This is a pretty damn good breakdown of how terrible RG3 was on Sunday. The mis-reads are even more egregious in hindsight.[/quote]

Thanks for posting. Folks this is what I saw, not seeing the field and can't read defenses. Enough about the oline

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The Cooley thing from top to bottom is devastating. Well, RGIII has a few games left to show something else. But his way of playing since he was a kid is not the pocket-passer pro way. He could just turn and run away from folks even at the college level. Can't do that here. Depressing.

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Dang. Would love to read the article but it looks like it was pulled.

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I think it was NC that posted a breakdown of him during a play against the Ravens in preseason. The one where Reed was running wide open down the middle of the field, and he for some reason checked down to Helu or Morris? Garcon was never even looked at. He had a perfect pocket and all the time in the world. It was a real eye opener and I remember thinking, eh it is preseason maybe im making more out of it than need be. Ive thought about that play several times this year.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;1094907]Dang. Would love to read the article but it looks like it was pulled.[/QUOTE]


[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/19/chris-cooley-rgiii-was-so-bad-i-cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/[/url]

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Knee Jerk Reaction? Bro, he's a 2nd over all pick making basic mistakes. After hearing what Gruden had to say he's actually worse than I thought. The guy is garbage and the window is almost closed on his career.


No tears here. Can't do epic shit with basic people (Snyder, Allen, Gruden, Haslett, et al).

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Robert was asked about Jay's remarks to the media after the game. In a presser this morning, Robert responded with "Jay wants me to play better, I want to play better. We're focused on the niners.....next question"
Can't do better than that

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I wish we, as a fan base, could give RG3 our full support for the next 6 games.

Yes, the TB game was epically bad but he should start every game going forward (barring an all out locker room revolt).

I saw a video of this old fat skins fans with a red mohawk screaming, spitting and booing at the skins players as they left the field on Sunday. He was probably 5 feet away from the players as they entered the tunnel. fucking repugnant. i wanted to reach through the tv screen and beat the skit out of that a-hole.

this RG3 fan hate needs to measured and scaled back.

this fan hate of the entire team needs to be scaled back.

the players are trying. RG3 is trying.

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So what happened his first year? Did the read-option fool people so bad that he only had to hit one read? That's the part that makes me sad. I thought no one can fake setting NFL rookie records for accuracy, but he just might have.

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[quote=over the mountain;1094912]I wish we, as a fan base, could give RG3 our full support for the next 6 games.

Yes, the TB game was epically bad but he should start every game going forward (barring an all out locker room revolt).

I saw a video of this old fat skins fans with a red mohawk screaming, spitting and booing at the skins players as they left the field on Sunday. He was probably 5 feet away from the players as they entered the tunnel. fucking repugnant. i wanted to reach through the tv screen and beat the skit out of that a-hole.

this RG3 fan hate needs to measured and scaled back.

this fan hate of the entire team needs to be scaled back.

the players are trying. RG3 is trying.[/quote]

I wish Robert, as a player, could earn our support for the next 6 games.

Trying is cute, this isn't intramurals.

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Two things have to happen, if I am Gruden. First I am having a one-on-one meeting with RG and ask him WTF is going on? Show him in a room with Sean McVay and me, we watch the tape like his brother does on TV with incoming prospects and find out the real problem. This is a extreme regression. Second I having a group meetings with RG and O-line, RG and the WR/TE and let them communicate about trust. Why is there no trust?

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It was one game.

His quotes today were flawless and I'm hoping he continues with that because it'll be easier for him to focus on winning.

Im going to support RG3 as or QB because im a fan and want him to win.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1094913]So what happened his first year? Did the read-option fool people so bad that he only had to hit one read? That's the part that makes me sad. I thought no one can fake setting NFL rookie records for accuracy, but he just might have.[/quote]

He is broken physically and mentally. Teams don't really give a shit about him running the ball and that has hurt him in so many ways. He's panicky and you can't be that in pro football.

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It's a little odd how one of the biggest mantras I've heard on this board and from Redskins Nation as a whole over the last few years is that our offensive line is bad and needs to be improved, but now suddenly, it's all on Griffin and he's the reason the line looks bad. Yeah, he does make the line look worse(that's a part of the game for any QB like Griffin), but it sucks with or without him. If the line doesn't get better, Griffin will never improve and any other QB we draft will go through the same thing.

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IMO It's a lack of trust on the team as a whole, they don't trust the man next to them to do their job. How do you coach trust?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1094913]So what happened his first year? Did the read-option fool people so bad that he only had to hit one read? That's the part that makes me sad. I thought no one can fake setting NFL rookie records for accuracy, but he just might have.[/quote]

In 2012 when he was hurt, KC came in and ran the real Shanahan offense. Why? Why didn't they let Griffin run that offense? They were both rookies at the time. It was all pistol and read option. I think we now know why. They knew he couldn't run it so they designed an offense for him and it worked.

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Jamies Winston ain't looking so bad right now, is he?

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[quote=SirLK26;1094919]It's a little odd how one of the biggest mantras I've heard on this board and from Redskins Nation as a whole over the last few years is that our offensive line is bad and needs to be improved. Now suddenly, it's all on Griffin and he's the reason the line looks bad. Yeah, he does make the line look worse(that's a part of the game for any QB like Griffin), but it sucks with or without him. If the line doesn't get better, Griffin will never improve and any other QB we draft will go through the same thing.[/quote]

You can't be the #2 overall pick, have had multiple draft picks traded for you, play in a system designed for quick releases, be "renowned" for your mobility...and not carry any of the blame for the team's offensives struggles. You just can't

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[quote=skinsfan69;1094923]Jamies Winston ain't looking so bad right now, is he?[/quote]

early scouting reports seem to have him as an NFL ready qb with a lot of upside .... if we draft him i will turn to the purple and black in a heart beat and not look back.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1094923]Jamies Winston ain't looking so bad right now, is he?[/quote]
How those rape allegations going?

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[quote=over the mountain;1094925]early scouting reports seem to have him as an NFL ready qb with a lot of upside .... if we draft him i will turn to the purple and black in a heart beat and not look back.[/quote]

are these our own scouting department or what others are saying?

It matters alot actually

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I've said it for a few months now, but if the Skins end up drafting Winston, which would shock me, then I'd pretty much be done as a fan of the team. I'm not saying I'd jump ship and go all in on another team, I would just barely pay any attention to the NFL. As things are now that might already happen.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1094913]So what happened his first year? Did the read-option fool people so bad that he only had to hit one read? That's the part that makes me sad. I thought no one can fake setting NFL rookie records for accuracy, but he just might have.[/quote]

First credit Griffin's athleticism. The threat of the run greatly diminished the pass rush. Beyond that? Credit the Shanahans for designing something he could execute.

But don't credit them for developing him, he obviously hasn't developed at all.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094924]You can't be the #2 overall pick, have had multiple draft picks traded for you, play in a system designed for quick releases, be "renowned" for your mobility...and not carry any of the blame for the team's offensives struggles. You just can't[/quote]

I don't think he is denying his culpability. He may not understand the extent of it, but I have never gotten the sense he doesn't look to himself for improvement first.

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[quote=Schneed10;1094931]First credit Griffin's athleticism. The threat of the run greatly diminished the pass rush. Beyond that? Credit the Shanahans for designing something he could execute.

But don't credit them for developing him, he obviously hasn't developed at all.[/quote]

Good post....thats pretty much it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1094927]are these our own scouting department or what others are saying?

It matters alot actually[/quote]

i believe cosell. he was on espn radio the other day .. sd winston is nfl ready, can make reads, move in the pocket and can back peddle to buy a little more time but still throw a 35 yard strike.

sd it is rare for a QB to be able to back peddle and still have flawless mechanics. sd only rogers can do it now, peyton used to be able to but cant any more.

dont hold me to it being cosell but it was someone i respect.