McCoy to Start Against Indy
 

Figured it warranted it's own thread.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11940146/washington-redskins-start-colt-mccoy-robert-griffin-iii-indianapolis-colts]Washington Redskins to start Colt McCoy over Robert Griffin III against Indianapolis Colts - ESPN[/url]

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It's a good call.

You are losing the locker room and the confidence of the team by keeping RG3 in there right now. He's not gaining anything because he's overwhelmed.

Just look at the Haill22.com footage from the previous games.

Missing basic concept routes. He can't continue to stall the offense.

There is 52 players on this team that deserve to win and you have to play the BEST 52 players. RG3 was the best QB we had in 2012.. He's not currently the best QB. He could be! He's not right now.

[url=http://hail22.com/]Hail 22 - Breaking down All-22 film of the Washington Redskins[/url]

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I don't disagree with Colt starting. In fact, I'm looking forward to it; Colt does good, then there's something fundamentally wrong with RG3... And our o-line, though definitely not good, is not as awful as we think they are. If Colt sucks, then he is what we thought he was (and he probably is) and the o-line is probably playing a significant role in RG3's regression.

I'm okay with this.

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"While Griffin is not a part of Washington's plan for Sunday's game, he still appears to be a significant part of the Redskins' long-term plan, per another source."

I choose not to believe this part of the article. Instead, this seems to be the beginning of the end for Robert in D.C.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1096094]"While Griffin is not a part of Washington's plan for Sunday's game, he still appears to be a significant part of the Redskins' long-term plan, per another source."

I choose not to believe this part of the article. Instead, this seems to be the beginning of the end for Robert in D.C.[/quote]

Exactly!
It's bullshit.

I'm all for never quitting but the team is better off playing RG3 and seeing if he is coachable and is willing to learn and improve.

Getting 5 or 6 wins this year does not help us at all and only hurts us since we will have to go into the offseason still wondering about RG3.

This is a great time to get playing time for Phillip Thomas, Moses, LeRibeus, Grant and especially RG3.

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What is odd is the reversal in 24 hours. Was the film review that bad? I wonder how RGIII is taking the news. After the stomping he endured on Sunday not to mention the media frenzy, there must be some sense of relief.


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Big question is who is leaking to the media

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I don't see how RG3 can recover from this here in DC. Would there even be a reason to bring him back next year?

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I don't see how RG3 can recover from this here in DC. Would there even be a reason to bring him back next year?[/quote]

Goes to Texans wins franchises first super bowl...

again Ask brad johnson about that shit.

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I don't see how RG3 can recover from this here in DC. Would there even be a reason to bring him back next year?[/quote]

Bring him back for pre-season at the absolute least.

If I was him I'd be demanding a trade. There's gotta be a team hurting for a QB that'd be willing to take a chance on him starting. (I'm looking at you, Jets)

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I wonder if RG3 is the emergency 3rd QB or is he the backup.

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[quote=calia;1096100]What is odd is the reversal in 24 hours. Was the film review that bad? I wonder how RGIII is taking the news. After the stomping he endured on Sunday not to mention the media frenzy, there must be some sense of relief.


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The All 22 film was awful. I mean. .. Ive seen Tebow and Leaf play better

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I can't think of a greater fall from grace in recent NFL annals. It was two years ago this week that Griffin threw 4 TD's against Philly on Sunday, and followed that with 4 more TD passes against Dallas on Thanksgiving. This very public humbling was definitely necessary. Gruden was on the verge of losing the locker room, especially DJax and Garçon.

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I think Colt is going to surprise people.

Just saying.

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[quote=CASKINS;1096103]Goes to Texans wins franchises first super bowl...

again Ask brad johnson about that shit.[/quote]

Holy shit I said the same thing today! It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

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I mean. . I dunno how to feel... While I think we may not have losses with colt starting the past three friggin games... I do think it doesn't allow them to see what they need to, to start thinking about next season. As far as Robert being here or not. Unless gruden has already made his mind up, and one could say he has... I dunno I really just don't know anymore lol, but I think it was a mistake to bring him back at all if this is what you would do after he plays poorly and our season is already over.

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Hopefully we're able to get some wins with him, because otherwise I bet Gruden's seat gets a little hot. Unfortunately all the really bad teams are behind us.

I'm really curious as to what Snyder's role in this decision was.

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" A Colt 45 and two zig zags, should be a helluva Sunday"-Afroman

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Imagining at least one fellow skin fan here:
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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1096101]Big question is who is leaking to the media[/quote]

Saw this on ES:

[quote]Burgundy Blog ‏@BurgundyBlog 3m
3 minutes ago
Would’ve been a small group privy to this info. Best thing ever would be if this is finally the false news to bait the mole.[/quote]

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Knew it was coming.

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Who is the back up Cousins or RG3. Colt won't make it behind that line. We play RG3 against the hard defenses and play Colt and Kirk against the easy defenses. [B]Jay[/B] the DC media just set you up and in t-minus 5 days they will begin the process of tearing you down.

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San Francisco has one of the NFL's better defenses they got Aldon Smith back off suspension two weeks ago and he looked like his old self against the Redskins, probably the league's best pass rusher. Still Griffin looked totally lost, like a guy who came out as a sophomore starting an NFL game as a 20 year old. I realize injuries have slowed his quickness and he is trying to be more of a pocket passer, but still he looks like an opossum in the headlights. The guy is shell shocked, has no confidence and seems to have forgot how to do the simplest things, like he is going to have a nervous breakdown. We all know Colt McCoy isn't the long term answer, Cousins is a turnover machine, what do you do?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1096135]San Francisco has one of the NFL's better defenses they got Aldon Smith back off suspension two weeks ago and he looked like his old self against the Redskins, probably the league's best pass rusher. Still Griffin looked totally lost, like a guy who came out as a sophomore starting an NFL game as a 20 year old. I realize injuries have slowed his quickness and he is trying to be more of a pocket passer, but still he looks like an opossum in the headlights. The guy is shell shocked, has no confidence and seems to have forgot how to do the simplest things, like he is going to have a nervous breakdown. We all know Colt McCoy isn't the long term answer, Cousins is a turnover machine, what do you do?[/quote]

Let's judge Gruden for Gruden. Actually I think Gruden has given up. Her didn't get to pick his coordinators and his coordinators suck.

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Damn, I grow weary of this shitshow. By the time he leaves, we'll be lucky if we can get a 6th round pick for him. That's what playing for us does for players' careers, we buy them for 3 firsts and a 2nd, and he leaves for 6th or 7th.

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Yay we're saved

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The Texas Noodle for the win!

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1096131]Who is the back up Cousins or RG3. Colt won't make it behind that line. We play RG3 against the hard defenses and play Colt and Kirk against the easy defenses. [B]Jay[/B] the DC media just set you up and in t-minus 5 days they will begin the process of tearing you down.[/quote]
So the 1-8 Tampa was the hard defense, and Dallas' vastly improved defense was the easy defense?

Could you ever play the devil advocate of your own position? Or do you see RG3 as a sacred cow of the Redskins, untouchable for any reason?

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The OL excuse is greatly exagurated. Griffin at times had immediate pressure, and made rushed mistakes. I also saw him hold the ball multiple times for 4-6 seconds. In the NFL, that's all you get even with a good line. The line was giving AlfMo some running room. Our line won't be confused for the top half of the league, but they're more than capable of giving him time to throw to his wide open WRs he's missing. RG3 is done. Time to give it up.

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I like when my team wins. And I like when the players put in are the ones that give us the greatest chance of doing such. Even if they aren't a long term solution. I don't ever want to tank to get a better pick. Even if we are 2-13. I still want the win on Sunday. Right now colt 45 seems to give us the best chance. I am a fan of players such as griff, but I'm a much larger fan of the redskins as a team than any individual player.

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I realize I'm the only person maybe, in the world, to say this... I think Cousins should be going in at this point.

It makes no sense, to me, to put McCoy in there now. I wanted him to stay in after the Dallas game, and I honestly believe we'd be 6-5 right now if he'd played the last 3 weeks...

But, again, here is where I'm on Crazy Island by myself...

I think that Cousins will be the one to be a [I]Great[/I] quarterback for someone... and I hope it's us. Yes, he threw interceptions... and yes, once he did, he looked like a guy who freaked out that he made a mistake and got frantic and made other mistakes... but THAT.. to ME... looks like what young, talented quarterback looks like.

Remember that Cousins has started a total of 9 games in the NFL! I realize that a 3 INT game and a 4 INT game stand out... but in his 4 other games this season... 7 TD's to 2 INT's. Eli Manning just threw 5 in a game 2 weeks ago...

Against 2 of the absolute best defenses in the NFL that he had to face back-to-back weeks (Seattle & Arizona), he averaged more than 300 yards passing, 4 TD's to the 3 picks against 'zona.

He's the one that needs to finish being evaluated and not written off. Check these numbers of great QB's early in their career:

Elway - 25 TDs - 29 INTs in first 2 seasons
P. Manning - 100... yes 100 INTs in his first 5 seasons (that's 20 per season)
Farve - 19 TDs - 24 INTs in his SECOND FULL season
E. Manning - 17, 18, and 20 INTs first 3 full seasons (and just last year tossed 18 TDs to 27 INTs!)

My point is... If you have watched our games this year you had to see that Cousins fit balls into teeny tiny windows that McCoy and Griffin NEVER would. He MOVED this offense... period. The WRs got the ball! ... The tight ends got the ball...

And... check this out...
He threw 10 TDs in 5 games, which out him on pace for a 30+ TD season. Remember the last 'Skins QB to do that? Me either. It was done ONCE (31)...by Sonny Jorgensen.. in 1967.

To me, honestly... he looked exactly like a guy who knew this was his one shot in life to be an NFL starting QB (here or elsewhere) and once he made a mistake, he would get frantic to make up for it, and make another... People forget how much internal pressure must have been on this guy every week. He KNEW this was his one shot because he wasn't a first rounder. These other elite QBs struggled in their first 9 starts... but could relax, play through the dumb throws... but their talent was evident... to me... Cousins arm-talent is evident.

I truly think he could be a Farve or Eli Manning-type guy, who when he's on... with the weapons we have on offense.. could possibly get hot every year or so and win us a big one... while, in other years, make you want to throw a brick through your TV.

But either way, right now... HE'S the one that needs another shot... McCoy is not the future and we have to figure out who is...

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[quote=CASKINS;1096103]Goes to Texans wins franchises first super bowl...

again Ask brad johnson about that shit.[/quote]

Brad Johnson was playing good (RG3 isnt) so Tampa knew it was getting a solid pro QB. For some reason the owner decided BJ had to go because Jeff George was the answer which isnt surprising because this organization always seems to want whoever they dont have. At the time most people knew bringing in JG for BJ was a mistake and that was in fact true.

Houston might win a Super Bowl with RG if Houston is willing to put in 3-5 years trying to develop him.

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[quote=CASKINS;1096103]Goes to Texans wins franchises first super bowl...

again Ask brad johnson about that shit.[/quote]

Traded to St. Louis for a 4th round pick. Fisher will call Snyder everyday when they win the super bowl with the QB the skins traded them for.

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Don't like it one bit, kids gotta play. I guess gruden wants to get rg3 pissed and maybe motivated

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;1096161]I realize I'm the only person maybe, in the world, to say this... I think Cousins should be going in at this point.

It makes no sense, to me, to put McCoy in there now. I wanted him to stay in after the Dallas game, and I honestly believe we'd be 6-5 right now if he'd played the last 3 weeks...

But, again, here is where I'm on Crazy Island by myself...

I think that Cousins will be the one to be a [I]Great[/I] quarterback for someone... and I hope it's us. Yes, he threw interceptions... and yes, once he did, he looked like a guy who freaked out that he made a mistake and got frantic and made other mistakes... but THAT.. to ME... looks like what young, talented quarterback looks like.

Remember that Cousins has started a total of 9 games in the NFL! I realize that a 3 INT game and a 4 INT game stand out... but in his 4 other games this season... 7 TD's to 2 INT's. Eli Manning just threw 5 in a game 2 weeks ago...

Against 2 of the absolute best defenses in the NFL that he had to face back-to-back weeks (Seattle & Arizona), he averaged more than 300 yards passing, 4 TD's to the 3 picks against 'zona.

He's the one that needs to finish being evaluated and not written off. Check these numbers of great QB's early in their career:

Elway - 25 TDs - 29 INTs in first 2 seasons
P. Manning - 100... yes 100 INTs in his first 5 seasons (that's 20 per season)
Farve - 19 TDs - 24 INTs in his SECOND FULL season
E. Manning - 17, 18, and 20 INTs first 3 full seasons (and just last year tossed 18 TDs to 27 INTs!)

My point is... If you have watched our games this year you had to see that Cousins fit balls into teeny tiny windows that McCoy and Griffin NEVER would. He MOVED this offense... period. The WRs got the ball! ... The tight ends got the ball...

And... check this out...
He threw 10 TDs in 5 games, which out him on pace for a 30+ TD season. Remember the last 'Skins QB to do that? Me either. It was done ONCE (31)...by Sonny Jorgensen.. in 1967.

To me, honestly... he looked exactly like a guy who knew this was his one shot in life to be an NFL starting QB (here or elsewhere) and once he made a mistake, he would get frantic to make up for it, and make another... People forget how much internal pressure must have been on this guy every week. He KNEW this was his one shot because he wasn't a first rounder. These other elite QBs struggled in their first 9 starts... but could relax, play through the dumb throws... but their talent was evident... to me... Cousins arm-talent is evident.

I truly think he could be a Farve or Eli Manning-type guy, who when he's on... with the weapons we have on offense.. could possibly get hot every year or so and win us a big one... while, in other years, make you want to throw a brick through your TV.

But either way, right now... HE'S the one that needs another shot... McCoy is not the future and we have to figure out who is...[/quote]

I wonder if they are letting KC learn more so they can go into training camp next year with KC ready to go as the starter.

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[quote=Chico23231;1096169]Don't like it one bit, kids gotta play. [B]I guess gruden wants to get rg3 pissed and maybe motivated[/B][/quote]

I think that is a good guess. Or maybe Gruden doesn't want him to hurt his confidence. Or maybe both.

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[QUOTE=Hail to the Redskins;1096161]I realize I'm the only person maybe, in the world, to say this... I think Cousins should be going in at this point.



It makes no sense, to me, to put McCoy in there now. I wanted him to stay in after the Dallas game, and I honestly believe we'd be 6-5 right now if he'd played the last 3 weeks...



But, again, here is where I'm on Crazy Island by myself...



I think that Cousins will be the one to be a [I]Great[/I] quarterback for someone... and I hope it's us. Yes, he threw interceptions... and yes, once he did, he looked like a guy who freaked out that he made a mistake and got frantic and made other mistakes... but THAT.. to ME... looks like what young, talented quarterback looks like.



Remember that Cousins has started a total of 9 games in the NFL! I realize that a 3 INT game and a 4 INT game stand out... but in his 4 other games this season... 7 TD's to 2 INT's. Eli Manning just threw 5 in a game 2 weeks ago...



Against 2 of the absolute best defenses in the NFL that he had to face back-to-back weeks (Seattle & Arizona), he averaged more than 300 yards passing, 4 TD's to the 3 picks against 'zona.



He's the one that needs to finish being evaluated and not written off. Check these numbers of great QB's early in their career:



Elway - 25 TDs - 29 INTs in first 2 seasons

P. Manning - 100... yes 100 INTs in his first 5 seasons (that's 20 per season)

Farve - 19 TDs - 24 INTs in his SECOND FULL season

E. Manning - 17, 18, and 20 INTs first 3 full seasons (and just last year tossed 18 TDs to 27 INTs!)



My point is... If you have watched our games this year you had to see that Cousins fit balls into teeny tiny windows that McCoy and Griffin NEVER would. He MOVED this offense... period. The WRs got the ball! ... The tight ends got the ball...



And... check this out...

He threw 10 TDs in 5 games, which out him on pace for a 30+ TD season. Remember the last 'Skins QB to do that? Me either. It was done ONCE (31)...by Sonny Jorgensen.. in 1967.



To me, honestly... he looked exactly like a guy who knew this was his one shot in life to be an NFL starting QB (here or elsewhere) and once he made a mistake, he would get frantic to make up for it, and make another... People forget how much internal pressure must have been on this guy every week. He KNEW this was his one shot because he wasn't a first rounder. These other elite QBs struggled in their first 9 starts... but could relax, play through the dumb throws... but their talent was evident... to me... Cousins arm-talent is evident.



I truly think he could be a Farve or Eli Manning-type guy, who when he's on... with the weapons we have on offense.. could possibly get hot every year or so and win us a big one... while, in other years, make you want to throw a brick through your TV.



But either way, right now... HE'S the one that needs another shot... McCoy is not the future and we have to figure out who is...[/QUOTE]


Agree 100%


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Cool...I was really hoping we'd be [URL="http://articles.dailypress.com/2002-11-19/sports/0211190127_1_switch-qbs-spurrier-s-world-offensive-linemen"]here[/URL] again

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[quote=donofriose;1096166]Traded to St. Louis for a 4th round pick. Fisher will call Snyder everyday when they win the super bowl with the QB the skins traded them for.[/quote]

You are an evil-minded person and you will probably languish in Hell for even thinking that. On the other hand, that sounds about right for the living Hell that is being a Redskins fan.