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Chico23231 12-16-2014 09:02 AM

New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
Hey folks, most intelligent people knew holding on to Haslett after last year was a tragic mistake and after another year of a burning heap of garbage we certainly will be looking for new guy this offseason. So tell me who would you like and who we should be watching during our favorite time of the year, the offseason.

Anybody from the current staff?

My dream scenario is when Harbaugh is shown the door in San Fran, that we would back up a ton of money and give Vic Fangio complete control of the defensive side of the ball.

Other names I would look at would be Wade Phillips and Kevin Coyle (if that Dolphins staff is let go).

My second dream hire would be Rex Ryan, but I believe he will be back at HC rather quickly.

Paul Guenther is a name that will be in the mix, kinda unsure about him.

Thoughts?

Chico23231 12-16-2014 09:08 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
Hey I found a quote this morning that pissed me off and inspired this thread. From our boy Baccardi Rambo when asked big difference between Skins and Bills staff: "(Bills)Coaches require you to watch film"

sigh

HailGreen28 12-16-2014 09:15 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=Chico23231;1100123]Hey I found a quote this morning that pissed me off and inspired this thread. From our boy Baccardi Rambo when asked big difference between Skins and Bills staff: "(Bills)Coaches require you to watch film"

sigh[/quote]Holy crap. It's little offhand comments like that, and Cooley's comments about pulling into Redskins Park during the week and nobody being there.

This team is looking more and more like a joke. And I don't think it started with Gruden, or Shanahan. I think it's been going on a long time.

SFREDSKIN 12-16-2014 10:16 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
My wish would be Todd Bowles ( he's going nowhere unless is HC)

My realistic DC if/when he gets fired is Ron Rivera

Alternate DC Ray Horton or Brian Baker

Schneed10 12-16-2014 10:18 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
Wade Phillips

MTK 12-16-2014 10:20 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[QUOTE=Chico23231;1100123]Hey I found a quote this morning that pissed me off and inspired this thread. From our boy Baccardi Rambo when asked big difference between Skins and Bills staff: "(Bills)Coaches require you to watch film"



sigh[/QUOTE]


Shouldn't have to be a requirement really. It's like a professor requiring students to study their textbooks.

skinsfan69 12-16-2014 10:21 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=Chico23231;1100123]Hey I found a quote this morning that pissed me off and inspired this thread. From our boy Baccardi Rambo when asked big difference between Skins and Bills staff: "(Bills)Coaches require you to watch film"

sigh[/quote]

Rambo sucks. He got two picks and the entire Redskin fanbase thinks he's something special all of a sudden.? If he has to stay on the field for any length of time, he's going to get exposed.

Also why didn't he watch film on his own time? It shouldn't be a requirement. If you're a pro and take your job seriously then you should already watch film. Obviously he didn't.

MTK 12-16-2014 10:21 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
There will be plenty of capable DC's available. Problem is until the talent issue is addressed it won't make much of a difference who's calling the plays.

MTK 12-16-2014 10:23 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1100137]Rambo sucks. He got two picks and the entire Redskin fanbase thinks he's something special all of a sudden.? If he has to stay on the field for any length of time, he's going to get exposed.

Also why didn't he watch film on his own time? It shouldn't be a requirement. If you're a pro and take your job seriously then you should already watch film. Obviously he didn't.[/QUOTE]


Reminds me of Chris Horton when he was here. 2 picks in one game as a rook and he lived off that rep for years.

Chico23231 12-16-2014 10:25 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=Mattyk;1100136]Shouldn't have to be a requirement really. It's like a professor requiring students to study their textbooks.[/quote]

you would think...but. I know I was the type, like many I knew, who studied their text when they absolutely had too

Film study should be hibitual for professionals, but for young guys(say less than 3-4 years) then I think a requirement is a good way to mold a player.

Proof is in the pudding, Buffalo defense is flat ballin this season

MTK 12-16-2014 10:31 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[QUOTE=Chico23231;1100140]you would think...but. I know I was the type, like many I knew, who studied their text when they absolutely had too



Film study should be hibitual for professionals, but for young guys(say less than 3-4 years) then I think a requirement is a good way to mold a player.



Proof is in the pudding, Buffalo defense is flat ballin this season[/QUOTE]


Rambo still sucks. Anyone can luck into some picks. Let's see his tackling improve and I'll believe.

Evilgrin 12-16-2014 10:31 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
I think we let guys go home with film and expect them to watch it, which is not a good idea. Rambo is in a different position then alot of guys with guaranteed money also. When practice is over nowadays you can't force guys to stay and watch, its against CBA rules. If we have guys that don't watch film, they should just be cut.

Chico23231 12-16-2014 10:34 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=Mattyk;1100143]Rambo still sucks. Anyone can luck into some picks. Let's see his tackling improve and I'll believe.[/quote]

Yeah I agree Rambo sux, but my point was film study doesnt seem like a priority for our team. Cooley made the same point the week before...Its a problem.

And one of those int literrally bounced into Rambo's hands

MTK 12-16-2014 10:38 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[QUOTE=Chico23231;1100145]Yeah I agree Rambo sux, but my point was film study doesnt seem like a priority for our team. Cooley made the same point the week before...Its a problem.



And one of those int literrally bounced into Rambo's hands[/QUOTE]


Yeah I hear you.

The good news it's hard to imagine Haslett coming back. Someone has to be the fall guy and he seems to be the best candidate. I hope we can the whole defensive staff.

diehardskin2982 12-16-2014 11:31 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
I hate that argument about talent because its simply not true. The coaches are supposed to develop the talent and they can't just assume that players are going to be professional.

I hope that they clean house on the defensive side. My pick for DC would be Ken Norton Jr., Jerry Gray, Leslie Frazier or Mike Singletary.

Chico23231 12-16-2014 11:38 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=diehardskin2982;1100153]I hate that argument about talent because its simply not true. The coaches are supposed to develop the talent and they can't just assume that players are going to be professional.

I hope that they clean house on the defensive side. My pick for DC would be Ken Norton Jr., Jerry Gray, Leslie Frazier or Mike Singletary.[/quote]

Ken Norton Jr, def should get some consideration for jobs

Kope 12-16-2014 12:02 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=Mattyk;1100146]Yeah I hear you.

The good news it's hard to imagine Haslett coming back. Someone has to be the fall guy and he seems to be the best candidate. I hope we can the whole defensive staff.[/quote]

Dont know about the whole defensive staff. LB play has been much better and the run fit overall this year has been a lot better. Tackling has been better as well.

I guess I think the front 7 has been playing to their potental, which means DL, LBs are in sync. Kerrigan is playing better than he has in the past. The back end is horrid and the coordination between the front 7 and the backend is bad as well.

As for Haslett, yes he needs to go, he has been average at best, more often bottom half. Rex would be great, but dont know if he would come here.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/HaslJi0.htm]Jim Haslett Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

KI Skins Fan 12-16-2014 12:04 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
Every name that has been mentioned in this thread as a prospective new DC sounds better to me than keeping Haslett. I really don't want a low key guy like Frazier or Phillips, though. I'd prefer an energetic leader like Rex Ryan or Mike Singletary.

Lotus 12-16-2014 12:05 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
Clean house on the defensive side, let the new DC choose his staff.

New DC possibilities:
Wade Philips
Rex Ryan
Vic Fangio

KI Skins Fan 12-16-2014 12:14 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=Lotus;1100161]Clean house on the defensive side, let the new DC choose his staff.

New DC possibilities:
Wade Philips
Rex Ryan
Vic Fangio[/quote]

In the booth Vic Fangio? Not for me. I want the DC on the sideline interacting with his players.

Rotten1980 12-16-2014 12:14 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=HailGreen28;1100125]Holy crap. It's little offhand comments like that, and Cooley's comments about pulling into Redskins Park during the week and nobody being there.

This team is looking more and more like a joke. And I don't think it started with Gruden, or Shanahan. I think it's been going on a long time.[/quote]

Rambo would definitely have a bone to pick with a team that cut him first year, and now he's being coached up to the pro level. But that statement is a burner if at all true.

I have a hard time believing Shanahan didn't require film time. It seems like discipline and preparation has completely gone out the window since then.

KI Skins Fan 12-16-2014 12:17 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
Would I be completely out of my mind to suggest Ray Lewis? He would be charismatic if nothing else. Yeah, I guess I'm nuts, but still...

Chico23231 12-16-2014 12:20 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=KI Skins Fan;1100163]In the booth Vic Fangio? Not for me. I want the DC on the sideline interacting with his players.[/quote]

dont care, he's gotten results

ArtMonkDrillz 12-16-2014 12:20 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=KI Skins Fan;1100167]Would I be completely out of my mind to suggest Ray Lewis? He would be charismatic if nothing else. Yeah, I guess I'm nuts, but still...[/quote]Personally, hiring ray lewis in ANY capacity would be a close second to drafting Jameis Winston on the list of things that would cause me to stop following this team.
Not to mention the fact that lewis has zero coaching experience.

Ruhskins 12-16-2014 12:21 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
Rex Ryan is probably going to end up on TV rather than coaching next season:

[url]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/544864879006715904[/url]

NC_Skins 12-16-2014 12:27 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=Ruhskins;1100173]Rex Ryan is probably going to end up on TV rather than coaching next season:

[url]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/544864879006715904[/url][/quote]

He should get a look as a HC come this off-season.

Rex Ryan isn't going to go to a DC spot though. It's HC or TV.

KI Skins Fan 12-16-2014 12:33 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=Ruhskins;1100173]Rex Ryan is probably going to end up on TV rather than coaching next season:

[url]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/544864879006715904[/url][/quote]

Selling women's shoes on QVC?

hutch17 12-16-2014 12:35 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=Chico23231;1100154]Ken Norton Jr, def should get some consideration for jobs[/quote]

So should Cal Naughton Jr.

[IMG]http://www.monologuedb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/John-C.-Reilly-Cal-Naughton-Jr.-Talladega-Nights.jpg[/IMG]

diehardskin2982 12-16-2014 12:56 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=Rotten1980;1100165]Rambo would definitely have a bone to pick with a team that cut him first year, and now he's being coached up to the pro level. But that statement is a burner if at all true.

I have a hard time believing Shanahan didn't require film time. It seems like discipline and preparation has completely gone out the window since then.[/quote]

I wouldn't put it on Shanny as much as I put it on Morris. The position coach would be at fault on that one.

Chico23231 12-16-2014 12:58 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=hutch17;1100182]So should Cal Naughton Jr.

[IMG]http://www.monologuedb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/John-C.-Reilly-Cal-Naughton-Jr.-Talladega-Nights.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

We got that now

saden1 12-16-2014 02:10 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=Mattyk;1100136]Shouldn't have to be a requirement really. It's like a professor requiring students to study their textbooks.[/quote]

Teaching and mentoring is part of the job too.

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jamf 12-16-2014 11:04 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=skinsfan69;1100137]Rambo sucks. He got two picks and the entire Redskin fanbase thinks he's something special all of a sudden.? If he has to stay on the field for any length of time, he's going to get exposed.

Also why didn't he watch film on his own time? It shouldn't be a requirement. If you're a pro and take your job seriously then you should already watch film. Obviously he didn't.[/quote]

We have a team of non pros.
No one is sending Rambo to the pro bowl but with two games left he has more ints in one quarter of football than any player on the Redskins has all year.

jamf 12-16-2014 11:09 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
Please no Phillips or Ryan.

We need to find a guy familiar with the modern game.
Go with a young guy like Bowles.

But it's bruce Allen, so he will hire a good ole boy.

skins89moss 12-16-2014 11:41 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=Mattyk;1100138]There will be plenty of capable DC's available. Problem is until the talent issue is addressed it won't make much of a difference who's calling the plays.[/quote]

So you ok with Jim Hasslet coming back as long as we aquire more talent ?

WillH 12-16-2014 11:48 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
We've tried making big free agent splashes, we've tried new coaching staff after new coaching staff, we've tried several different front office structures and staff. I just wish we had one stable patient vision to believe in.

I'd like to see someone come in clean house, bring in legitimate position coaches, trade any player of value, and slowly and methodically build a team through the draft over several years of steady improvement until we are a contender.

I won't hold my breath

skins89moss 12-16-2014 11:52 PM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
I would like to get Greg Williams as the DC or Rex Ryan as our HC . I not sure about Gruden at this point . He appears he isn't prepared to be a HC. We got it wrong with him. His offense doesn't fit RG3 and that's why he came here. Give me a Defensive minded head coach and bring in a OC like the Patriots OC Josh McDaniels to run the offense. He made Tebow better in Denver so maybe he can put a offense that RG3 can improve in. My ideal Situation is to hire Jim Harbaugh . I say we clean house and start from scratch .

REDSKINS4ever 12-17-2014 03:28 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
I would love to have London Fletcher as our DC....he was a coach on the field....

MTK 12-17-2014 06:55 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[QUOTE=skins89moss;1100309]So you ok with Jim Hasslet coming back as long as we aquire more talent ?[/QUOTE]


Nope I didn't say that.

donofriose 12-17-2014 07:18 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1100314]I would love to have London Fletcher as our DC....he was a coach on the field....[/quote]

No thank you. Coaching and playing the game are two completely different things.

donofriose 12-17-2014 07:25 AM

Re: New Defensive Coordinator 2015
 
[quote=skins89moss;1100311]I would like to get Greg Williams as the DC or Rex Ryan as our HC . I not sure about Gruden at this point . He appears he isn't prepared to be a HC. We got it wrong with him. His offense doesn't fit RG3 and that's why he came here. Give me a Defensive minded head coach and bring in a OC like the Patriots OC Josh McDaniels to run the offense. He made Tebow better in Denver so maybe he can put a offense that RG3 can improve in. My ideal Situation is to hire Jim Harbaugh . I say we clean house and start from scratch .[/quote]

Didn't Josh get fired before Tebow actually started? Who is like Josh in the NFL? Because there is no way McDaniels leaves NE for the exact same position in Washington.

Harbaugh is a good coach. Just not sure what he would be able to do with this team. That San Fran team had good players when he arrived. Plus the one thing about Harbaugh is he is not getting criticized enough for how bad Kaep has looked this year. He is supposed to be a QB genius.

What about Trestman as an OC?


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