Your First round pick for the skins?
 

I know it's early, but we have nothing else positive to talk about. Name your pick and why?


Randy Gregory- DE Nebraska

Amari Cooper- WR Alabama

Brandon Scherff- OT IOWA

Landon Collins- S Alabama

Andrus Peat- OT Stanford

Other...

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I just keep hearing great things about Stanford Andrus Peat OT and USC DE Leonard Williams

Id like to keep it in the trenches, I dont think there are great choices in the secondary first round.

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Landon Collins for me. I wouldn't mind another pass rusher either, but pass rush and safety play goes hand in hand, and I'm afraid we have 3 or 4 half decent pass rushers in one hand but 0 safeties in the other hand.

Kerrigan's pressure could make Collins look pretty good, some rushed throws could mean INTs if we actually had a rangy safety back there.

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Also yeah, a stud offensive lineman would be nice. Put him on the right side. Let Moses learn how to play guard.

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McShay, in his first mock, has taking Shane Ray OLB/DE Missouri. Not sure we would go that route after drafting Trent Murphy. Anything in the trench on either side of the ball is fine with me.

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It's a good year for defensive linemen/pass rushers. Gregory, Shane Ray, Leonard Williams, Shawn Oakman, Danny Shelton, etc. Trade back several spots and get one of these guys. We're way too old on the defensive line, and even Baker isn't anything more than solid. Offensive line can wait a round or two, and the safety class doesn't seem to be very strong this year.

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Shane Ray or Leonard Williams.

Landon Collins is a close second behind them, he just has some coverage issues.

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[quote=SirLK26;1100421]It's a good year for defensive linemen/pass rushers. Gregory, Shane Ray, Leonard Williams, Shawn Oakman, Danny Shelton, etc. Trade back several spots and get one of these guys.[/quote]

Damn the trade back, stay where you are and take the best prospect that can help you. That trade back is how we have Kerrigan and not a possible JJ Watt or Robert Quinn

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I am in the Landon Collins boat. We need our own Earl Thomas leading the secondary and he can be that type of player.

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Collins is more a strong safety...i dont know. Is he another Mark Barron? Id be worried about taking him top ten.

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[quote=SirLK26;1100421]It's a good year for defensive linemen/pass rushers. Gregory, Shane Ray, Leonard Williams, Shawn Oakman, Danny Shelton, etc. Trade back several spots and get one of these guys. We're way too old on the defensive line, and even Baker isn't anything more than solid. [B]Offensive line can wait a round or two[/B], and the safety class doesn't seem to be very strong this year.[/quote]

Are you kidding? How many useless third round OL should we have on our team? The [U]only[/U] way for this FO to identify a good OL is to draft a first rounder who is a consensus stud. They'll screw up any other OL pick.

With our first pick I want the Skins to pick the best OT in the draft. Then, I want the Skins to move up into the late first round and pick the best OG in the draft. This is my dream.

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Collins has issues in coverage. Cooper is a Redskin type of pick since they're obsessed w/ WR's. They need to do what Jerry Jones is doing, take a big ass guard or tackle that can road grade and protect the QB. That's what use to win around here. I'd be looking hard at Peat.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1100426]I am in the Landon Collins boat. We need our own Earl Thomas leading the secondary and he can be that type of player.[/quote]

Collins has outstanding athleticism and range no doubt about it, but I just don't see him coming close to becoming an Earl Thomas type of player. It's a position I also don't believe is worthy of a top 5 pick unless it's a can't miss ball hawking prospect ah-la Sean Taylor, Eric Berry or even ET and Collins, for all his qualities isn't that. I'm keeping an eye on Derron Smith out of Fresno State. He'll likely be available from round 2 on, although I expect him to put up some tidy numbers at the combine. Maybe even pair him with someone like Da'Norris Searcy in FA.

I've personally flip-flopped then between offensive and defensive line myself. Ronnie Stanley (Notre Dame) is shooting up boards and could be this years Greg Robinson. He'd instantly provide us with a bookend tackle on the right side, with the ability to slide over to the left if necessary. TJ Clemmings out of Pittsburgh is another who despite his lack of experience (converted defensive end) has fantastic tools. Could also play some guard. They'd be two in particular I'd have absolutely no problem with.

Finally defense and admittedly, this maybe makes the most sense if the circumstances are right. By that I mean a trade down, would be an option to consider, after which someone like Eddie Goldman, the big tackle out of Florida State could be a perfect fit as either a nose or end. He plays both the run and pass very well and would give us a much needed shot of youthful talent.

In a nutshell then, if we can't find a trade partner I'd take Stanley. However, if that's an option then I'd certainly explore it if the terms are right. There are no Watts in this draft anyway IMO.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1100432]Are you kidding? How many useless third round OL should we have on our team? The [U]only[/U] way for this FO to identify a good OL is to draft a first rounder who is a consensus stud. They'll screw up any other OL pick.

With our first pick I want the Skins to pick the best OT in the draft. Then, I want the Skins to move up into the late first round and pick the best OG in the draft. This is my dream.[/quote]

So you're among those that say if an offensive lineman(or any position I suppose) isn't good enough to start as a rookie, he'll never be good enough? Why wouldn't you give Long and Moses another season at the very least before writing them off "useless?"

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Trade down, get an OL, S or DE whatever the best player at that position who's available. If RGIII is traded, then I would consider Mariota.

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Great post Starry! I read that Collins is more of a strong safety as well but has the talent to transition to a FS role.

My hope is that we sign Iupati to take the LG position, moving Lauvao to RG. Moses showed promise to me, if he had another year to develop with a strong coach he could start. His injury worries me.

If Cooper is as good as they say he is I would consider drafting him then trade Garcon. But I like to take risk.

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[quote=SirLK26;1100459]So you're among those that say if an offensive lineman(or any position I suppose) isn't good enough to start as a rookie, he'll never be good enough? Why wouldn't you give Long and Moses another season at the very least before writing them off "useless?"[/quote]

Long is useless right now because he isn't playing and I have to wonder if Long will ever be able to start if he can't beat out Chester. Moses is hurt, of course, but I doubt that he'll ever be a stud at OT. LeRibeus is ballast.

I believe that a [U]dominant[/U] (not just good enough) OL is key to the long term success of a team. That's why I want two studs for the OL. Long and Moses may be OK as backups.

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I want Leonard Williams. We need studs to create inside pressure. Even the Addition of just Hatcher this year has made the world of a difference with Kerrigan, imagine adding a Gerald Mccoy type prospect to that mix.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1100466]Trade down, get an OL, S or DE whatever the best player at that position who's available. If RGIII is traded, then I would consider Mariota.[/quote]

I agree, trade back in the first round, and add picks. They need help everywhere..... OL, TE, S, QB, - and good scouts / GM

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1100475]Long is useless right now because he isn't playing and I have to wonder if Long will ever be able to start if he can't beat out Chester. Moses is hurt, of course, but I doubt that he'll ever be a stud at OT. LeRibeus is ballast.

[B]I believe that a [U]dominant[/U] (not just good enough) OL is key to the long term success of a team. That's why I want two studs for the OL.[/B] Long and Moses may be OK as backups.[/quote]

I don't understand why fans and more importantly, our FO does not realize this.

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McShay is an idiot!! He said that our biggest need was a pass rusher!?!?
ummmm O-LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=tc2deuce;1100508]McShay is an idiot!! He said that our biggest need was a pass rusher!?!?
ummmm O-LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

He didn't say that was our biggest need he said Shane Ray would fill a need.

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I want us to draft oline and oline and oline. Maybe trade down and get more oline. It's the more important part of the team. It'll help us run, pass. a safety is needed but that won't have the impact of oline oline and oline

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The redskins need big bodies. I've been harping on this the last two years. BPA at OL or front seven. Do this over and over until we are elite there. If we happen into the top two you could seriously consider a QB - which is the only position more important than big bodies. If our big players are better than other teams, we have a coach and a QB, we'll win a bunch of games. If not we probably won't. It's not rocket science it's football.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1100472]Great post Starry! I read that Collins is more of a strong safety as well but has the talent to transition to a FS role.

My hope is that we sign Iupati to take the LG position, moving Lauvao to RG. Moses showed promise to me, if he had another year to develop with a strong coach he could start. His injury worries me.

If Cooper is as good as they say he is I would consider drafting him then trade Garcon. But I like to take risk.[/quote]

Seen that myself chief. Collins' speed and athleticism is there to see as the scouts have noted, and it’s what puts him in a position to make plays in coverage right now. I guess my concern with that then is that it’s fine in college, but will it translate to the pro’s where instincts are what separates the truly great safeties from the rest of the bunch? Don’t get me wrong I think he’ll be a heck of a player but again, top 5 is just a little high for me. if it’s a true ball-hawk you’re after then Gerod Holliman, who I mentioned on another thread previously has the off the chart instincts which Collins lacks, but as a tackler he’s non-existent. Reluctant in fact it seems when it comes to contact. Makes me wonder if I truly had to pick one player based on skillset, what would I be reassured is the easier to coach into a player through time and experience? Play recognition? Or technique(/guts!)?

I considered Iupati myself as it goes, but I still like the idea of using the draft to address the trenches early on, and FA for skill positions. My ideal draft would be to trade down in the 1st if possible and hopefully acquire an additional 2nd in the process. With both those picks then, if we could come away with Eddie Goldman and Malcolm Brown (Texas) to name two personal preferences, then that’s a pair of immediate contributors to go alongside the few talented guys we currently have on the defensive front. But going back to the offensive line then, I’d love for Long and Moses to work out and it’s still very early days. But as it stands, it’s an area of genuine weakness both in terms of starters and depth. It’s why I’d take TJ Clemmings with our existing 2nd, and hope that someone like Spencer Drango (Baylor) is available in the 4th, as like Clemmings, he can play inside or outside and whilst he’s more of the big bodied type, his agility is impressive for his frame. CBS has him pegged as a 2nd rounder admittedly, but he missed last season with a back injury which required surgery, so I would imagine teams will be mindful of that, especially given the position he plays.

As for Cooper, all things said I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he is indeed the pick tbh. I get the argument that receiver is a luxury right now given the holes in the rest of the team, but if he’s there at #5 and you’re going into the draft with a BPA mentality, then you’d be genuinely hard pressed to find someone better. He just does everything so well and I love watching the kid play. He’d also be an upgrade over Garcon, who appears to be talking himself out of DC.

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As of now we have the 5th pick...we would probably miss out on Lenoard Williams who is top prospect. With 5th I would take top OT available. If we do lose out we have the possibility of being as high as #2 pick but no lower than the #4 pick. I think the #3 pick would put us is a great spot for Williams or possibly a trade if someone wants one of the QB's if Williams is picked in one of top 2 spots.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1100466]Trade down, get an OL, S or DE whatever the best player at that position who's available. If RGIII is traded, then I would consider Mariota.[/quote]

Yep! I agree. Trade down!

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i would have to say peat or sheriff ,we need o-line help so bad.

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Definitely OL. One thing that's tough about pass rushers is the bust-rate. I read an article a few years back saying that was one of the most "busted" positions outside of WR. OL has the lowest bust rate of any position.

Jury is still out on Murphy, but right now he's looking like a better Adam Carriker.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1100558]Definitely OL. One thing that's tough about pass rushers is the bust-rate. I read an article a few years back saying that was one of the most "busted" positions outside of WR. OL has the lowest bust rate of any position.

Jury is still out on Murphy, but right now he's looking like a better Adam Carriker.[/quote]

I wasn’t sold on the Murphy pick admittedly, more down to the logic behind it at the time (pretty sure it happened after we’d resigned Orakpo), but he’s been quietly grading out pretty well. Only a few weeks back he was ranked 4th highest OLB in a 3-4 scheme against the run, which for a rookie is a very nice return.

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Right. Not sure how people took my comment, but a better Adam Carriker was a complement. Really tough against the run and I'll take that.

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I would really like us to shift to the Seattle base defense. The 3-4 is not working here IMO

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1100569]I would really like us to shift to the Seattle base defense. The 3-4 is not working here IMO[/quote]

Totally agree....

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I'd say the best thing to do is get a safety 1st round just because there is more depth at O-line in this draft than safety. I think Collins is like a 8-11 pick, so maybe we could even move back and still get him. If you do that you [I]could [/I]use the extra picks to move up to late 1st round for an OL. Being a 1st rounder means an extra year on the rookie contract.

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bpa

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We likely will have a top 6 pick. You don't use such a pick on the OL except for LT, and we already have one of those. Paying two LT salaries is a cap buster. So IMO we don't draft a tackle right away.

Alternatively:
Landon Collins, the Alabama safety as folks have discussed

Or:
Shawn Oakman, DE, Baylor. Feed the defensive front.

Or:
trade back into the later first, picking up a second rounder, then:
late first: Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
early second: AJ Cann, guard, South Carolina
late second (from trade): Derron Smith, FS, Fresno St.

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[quote=bigant;1100554]i would have to say peat or sheriff ,we need o-line help so bad.[/quote]

I thought Peat announced he was returning to school

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[B]It looks like they now have a top 4 pick.....maybe they will trade up and get a QB[/B]

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Take the best lineman available, offensive or defensive. The Skins have invested fewer high draft choices on linemen of all teams in the NFC East, so it's no wonder that the team sucks in the trenches.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1100569]I would really like us to shift to the Seattle base defense. The 3-4 is not working here IMO[/quote]The 3-4 requires a great Nose Tackle to achieve dominance, and there are very few athletic 340 pound men on the planet.

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[quote=irrefutable;1100601]i thought peat announced he was returning to school

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[b]it looks like they now have a top 4 pick.....maybe they will trade up and get a qb[/b][/quote]

nnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!