JG or GM?
 

Would you give up Gibbs to have a proven GM and not so proven Head Coach?

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No. Gibbs brings so much more to the table than a knowledge of talent.

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Got To Keep Gibbs He Will Get Us There

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Gibbs all the way.......

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Surprise, surprise

Gibbs

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No way. Gotta stick with Gibbs...he knows talent. Besides Brunell, his track record so far is pretty damn good! So I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if I don't agree with something they do.

Also, people always talk about "needing a GM", but sorry, these guys don't grow on trees and it is just as hard to find good ones as it is with head coaches....usually, the good, proven ones are taken.

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I get the feeling this will be a landslide dont you? GIBBS

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I don't buy into the "we need a GM" theory. For one thing I don't even know what people mean by that. I think some would just be happy to have someone with that official title.

However, it's constantly brought up here that we need a GM, and like I said in another thread I don't think Gibbs would be here if he wasn't the final decision maker on football decisions (somewhere in the distance, a curmudgeon speaks of Snyder-Coles-and big screen TVs). So I was just curious if anyone would say they'd give Gibbs up for say Terry Robiskie and Charley Casserly

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I vote Gibbs we have a GM and thats Dany boy.

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Not a chance you give up on Gibbs. Now if he wanted to bring in a GM, I wouldn't be opposed to that, but hell, I dont even care if he has 5 losing seasons here before he hangs it up.... He came back and put his heart into our team and thats all we can ask as fans from anyone. And if anyone's heart is in the right place when it comes to our team... its Joe Gibbs. I think we're in good hands.

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It seems to me the people who DO bring it up, normally just bring it up because someone a LOOONG time ago said it and they thought it's a good idea even though they probably don't even know what a GM DOES.

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So who voted "No"? Why don't you come out and say why you voted No?

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Oh my goodness, it's blasphemy to even ask that question. I wouldn't mind another Bobby Beathard heading up the talent search, but I'd like Gibbs to have final say. And there's no coach in NFL history I'd rather have. Including Vince Lombardi, that's how much I think of Joe.

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Why bother with this type of speculation?

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This one is easy. You have to want Joe Gibbs.

You cannot want a proven genius at GM and "Whoever" as the HC. Think about "Whoever" in terms of:

Richie Kotite

Ray Handley

Dave Campo

Wayne Fontes

Rich Brooks

...and the list goes on...

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that is a dumb poll. that's like asking we if I like pink or blue?

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[QUOTE=ChounsMan]that is a dumb poll. that's like asking we if I like pink or blue?[/QUOTE]So what color is it?

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[QUOTE=ChounsMan]that is a dumb poll. that's like asking we if I like pink or blue?[/QUOTE]


No, it's not when you consider the amount of criticism Gibbs gets here for the players he has acquired. ie Brunell, Portis, and now Campbell.

Not saying your one of them Chounsman and I'm not saying Gibbs shouldn't be criticized, but it does happen here.

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[QUOTE=CRT3]Why bother with this type of speculation?[/QUOTE]

Because people keep saying we need a GM without considering what sacrifices that would mean. At least I don't think they consider it

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I would not give up Joe Gibbs for anyone.

I would like to buy Vinny's bus ticket for him though...

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i vote keep JG... i accidently hit the wrong vote b/c i didn't read the question the first time (i thought it asked would you rather have another GM or Joe Gibbs as GM, not an ultimatum lol)...

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OK, where's SKINZ_DOMIN8?

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Because people keep saying we need a GM without considering what sacrifices that would mean. At least I don't think they consider it[/QUOTE]
We do need a GM but the speculation is Joe Gibbs would then go. That is the speculation part.

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I guess I'm the lone dissenter, I worshipped the ground Gibbs walked on but I think he might be in over his head trying to do coaching and other duties. He most certainly can't keep track of what's going on with the cap and I believe that we need a true GM. That idiot Cerrato should go back to working NFL game day on ESPN. Gibbs most success came when he had 2 great GM's Bethard and Casserly and this should be the structure we have now. As a 6-10 team we do not have the luxury of a QB project that might pan out in the future. We had other pressing needs.

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Gibbs in a second. No question.

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Gibbs. Period.

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Gibbs, with one caveat: Another offseason like this one and I may be as committed to Gibbs as he is to Ramsey.

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Who cares about the offseason? As long as we win during the season, that is all that counts.

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I completly agree with you. Look at all the coaches who tried to be GM and a coach. They failed miserably. gibbs should concentrate on one thing whether it be coaching or GM. Seeing his draft his year especially Campbells selection makes me worry about him as a GM though. Look at Holmgreen, Shannahan and Marty who all tried to be GM n coach but did not succeed as much as they did when they were just coaching.
I have a scenario for u. What if Gibbs becomes a Gm and Greg Williams becomes a head coach. I could see that happening down the road. don't know whether it would be a great thing or not..
[QUOTE=djdunick]I guess I'm the lone dissenter, I worshipped the ground Gibbs walked on but I think he might be in over his head trying to do coaching and other duties. He most certainly can't keep track of what's going on with the cap and I believe that we need a true GM. That idiot Cerrato should go back to working NFL game day on ESPN. Gibbs most success came when he had 2 great GM's Bethard and Casserly and this should be the structure we have now. As a 6-10 team we do not have the luxury of a QB project that might pan out in the future. We had other pressing needs.[/QUOTE]

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this has not been a bad offseason. we lost pierce and smoot , who cares, they were good players but every team loses good players. the skins have signed and drafted better players than were lost this offseason. the worst thing about this offseason is taylor and moss not being at the voluntary workouts and that is not gibbs fault. gibbs has been nothing but great for the skins . last years draft was good and so was this years.

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Gibbs. Period.

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I think this question is really setting up a straw man. Why couldn't the Redskins have Gibbs and a quality GM? Casserly was here at the end of Gibbs' last run and obviously Bobby Bethard was GM before him. Dan Snyder's unwillingness to reliquish the reins of control to anyone - except maybe Gibbs - seems to me to constitute the fundamental problem.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]this has not been a bad offseason ... the skins have signed and drafted better players than were lost this offseason. [/QUOTE]

Really? What position did the 'Skins upgrade this offseason? As far as I can tell, there's not a legitimate upgrade at any position. It's arguable that neither Moss nor Patten is even as good as Coles. We have yet to see how Rogers stacks up against Smoot. Pierce will be sorely missed. Where's the upside?

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moss and patten are upgrades to coles and gardner in their play and more importantly in their attitudes, casey raback is an upgrade to cory raymer,carlose rogers is an upgrade to smoot( i was never a believer in smoots abilities , smoot was at best a # 2 cb , i feel that carlose rogers will be a # 1 cb by 2006 ) i have yet to see an upgrade at mlb but i'm confident that greg williams will chose someone as good or better than pierce.
there you go.

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Joe Gibbs is a great leader, as far as personel and playcalling. I say bring in a GM and an offensive coordinator.

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Wait a sec ... Even in a miserable year, Coles caught more balls than Moss did in his best year. Patten would probably be a #3 receiver on another team and, as much as Gardner gets slammed on this site, is a negligible improvement. You're right about Raback. It's a little unfair to Smoot to say that Rogers, who has yet to play a down in the NFL, represents a clear upgrade. Rogers may be a better player eventually, but he's not right now. As for Pierce, what suggests that someone "as good or better" than Pierce is available? What suggests that we'll get that mystery 'backer?

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what was the skins biggest problem last year ? the offense. what part of the offense ? the passing game. why ? could not effectivly run the ball. why ? (1) wr could not stretch the field. why ? coles needs toe operation and gardner is ftat out slow. (2) offensive line could not block well enough. why ? janson did not play and cory ramer is pathetic.
SOLUTIONS
start up front. upgrade at the center position ( CASEY RABACK )
get new, faster, more consistant wr (MOSS , PATTEN )
not to mention get jansen back healthy, start patrick ramsey

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its pretty simple what gibbs wants to do. he wants good play from the o-line so he can run the ball, he wants wr that can get open downfield so he can throw deep. the wr need to be fast as well as quick so the opposing team's safeties have to respect them. that makes it easier to run the ball. coles was really hampered by his toe and gardner was just to slow. moss and patten are upgrades because they are both fast and quick. you can say what you want about patten but don't be surprised if he leads the skins in receptions this season, he is a very good wr. my feelings on smoot are just my personal opinions, i was just never impressed with him. i truly believe carlos is an upgrade and i truly believe the skins have made the right upgrades on offense. only time will tell.

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[QUOTE=Grayacre]Wait a sec ... Even in a miserable year, Coles caught more balls than Moss did in his best year. Patten would probably be a #3 receiver on another team and, as much as Gardner gets slammed on this site, is a negligible improvement. You're right about Raback. It's a little unfair to Smoot to say that Rogers, who has yet to play a down in the NFL, represents a clear upgrade. Rogers may be a better player eventually, but he's not right now. As for Pierce, what suggests that someone "as good or better" than Pierce is available? What suggests that we'll get that mystery 'backer?[/QUOTE]


You're kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth. You're saying that none of our acquistions are improvements over what we had this past season, yet you're saying that's true because they haven't stepped onto the field yet....so it's equally unfair to say they're not improvements by the simple fact that we haven't seen them play yet.

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[QUOTE=Grayacre]Really? What position did the 'Skins upgrade this offseason? As far as I can tell, there's not a legitimate upgrade at any position. It's arguable that neither Moss nor Patten is even as good as Coles. We have yet to see how Rogers stacks up against Smoot. Pierce will be sorely missed. Where's the upside?[/QUOTE]

[b][i]Pierce will be soreley missed!?!?!? [/i][/b]A freakin year ago noone knew who the hell pierce was.. and next year no one will know again. Trotter was one of the best MLB in the league (back when it was him and Urlacher going to the pro bowl for NFC) and we didnt use him for what he was, so he sucked for us and we let him go. The exact opposite will be true for Antonio Pierce. Pierce wasn't a starter until that ancient cripple Barrow got hurt, and he did do well for us, but it was more the system that succeeded. No matter who was hurt, our D stepped up and made plays.

I miss smoot because of his attitude, but in GW's system you have to be able to TACKLE a freaking QB when you have a wide open shot. How many times did we see his ass flying through the air right by a wide open QB. Rogers has proven to be a physical well rounded corner, but you'll see that.

And my little sister would be an upgrade for Coles's last season. Ninety catches for how many yards??? You do the math. And how many balls did he drop. He was a hell of an athelete who never gave up and played with heart, but he wasn't productive last year. James Thrash plays with just as much heart.