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Is it just me or does it look to you guys that or coaching staff has made a point to improve on our special teams. Feild position is one huge way to help our offense this season and they indirectly will win some games for us. Have any of you noticed this trend?

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I think they did. I mean they drafted 2 FB's and LB's, and those guys are probably going to be spending plenty of time on special teams. Gibbs has always been a big special teams guy. Most of his players started off by playing ST.

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If we can block we have about 12 capable returners now...

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[QUOTE=Daseal]If we can block we have about 12 capable returners now...[/QUOTE]

Thats for sure.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]If we can block we have about 12 capable returners now...[/QUOTE]


True, we do have plenty. Heres my list:

Antonio Brown
Santana Moss
Chad Morton
Rock Cartwright
Ladell Betts
James Thrash
David Patten? (I'm not sure if he ever did it in NE)

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[QUOTE=Daseal]If we can block we have about 12 capable returners now...[/QUOTE]


Dude, if we use all 12 on returns we may just stand a chance. Do you think the ref's will notice?

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I'm anxious to see what Antonio Brown can do for an entire season. Again, I'm anxious to see what could happen if we put Brown AND Morton back there.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I'm anxious to see what Antonio Brown can do for an entire season. Again, I'm anxious to see what could happen if we put Brown AND Morton back there.[/QUOTE]Do you think Morton will still be around this year?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I'm anxious to see what Antonio Brown can do for an entire season. Again, I'm anxious to see what could happen if we put Brown AND Morton back there.[/QUOTE]

Can we please cut Morton, I think Brown can do the job just fine.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I'm anxious to see what could happen if we put Brown AND Morton back there.[/QUOTE]

I'm anxious to see chad morton on another team

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]True, we do have plenty. Heres my list:

Antonio Brown
Santana Moss
Chad Morton
Rock Cartwright
Ladell Betts
James Thrash
David Patten? (I'm not sure if he ever did it in NE)[/QUOTE]

Don't forget Carlos Rogers

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]Dude, if we use all 12 on returns we may just stand a chance. Do you think the ref's will notice?[/QUOTE]We are the Skins they notice pentalties that aren't even pentalties. If we played 10 we would get flaged for not enough men on the field.

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[QUOTE=Duffman003]I'm anxious to see chad morton on another team[/QUOTE]

I'm NOT anxious to see the cap hit we would take for it, in addition to the fact that it never hurts to have another great return man waiting in the wings.

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On Mike and Mike earlier this week Joe Gibbs was on and he specifically said the later picks were to help Danny (Smith) and the special teams

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I'm glad he addressed that. If I remember correctly, we didn't do so well on kick and punt coverage.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I'm glad he addressed that. If I remember correctly, we didn't do so well on kick and punt coverage.[/QUOTE]We were Ranked as follows:
20 punt return
12 kickoff return
26 punt return defense
14 kickoff return defense
Post #2 had a link to an article on this

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I think our special teams will be much stronger. Singing Pruliou(sp) from Buffalo. Since the off season several quiet moves plus the draft. I am not sure on Morton. How much cap relief will we get if we let him go? Is he worth another season in that reguard if he is under contract. I do not like Jeff Chandler . I hope Hall returns to form in camp this year.

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I dont think that Morton will be gone, I think that Morton and Brown will handle all return duties. I may be wrong but doesnt Gibbs like to do reverse's on kickoff return? I remember when we had D. Howard Gibbs did that a couple of time with him and Mitchell...

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No way, Morton is history. I bet it'll be Antonio Brown and James Thrash taking over the return duties. You know Gibbs loves Thrash.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I'm NOT anxious to see the cap hit we would take for it, in addition to the fact that it never hurts to have another great return man waiting in the wings.[/QUOTE]

He was a great returner for the Jets, he hasn't done anything here..........

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanforlife]He was a great returner for the Jets, he hasn't done anything here..........[/QUOTE]
Thats true he has not done much here, but he cant be the whole return team also, our special teams have far ben steller as a whole since he has ben here. It takes all 11 guys to get it done if one fails the whole squad(SP) fails...

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The key word here is team. Morton is one guy of 11. If you do not have the guys who will finish blocks, bust wedges, and hustle in front of you you are doomed. I returned kicks in high school and a little in college and you are only as good as your teammates will allow you to be in the return game.

Yes Morton is a disapointment, but the entire team has been as well since Morton arrived.

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Cutting Morton now would hurt our 2005 salary cap. He is currently on our 2005 salary cap for $1.04 Million. Cutting him now would make his cap hit $1.5 Million, taking away $0.46 Million of our precious cap room, of which we have about $2 million (and we still need to deal with Santana Moss, Rod Gardner, and sign our rookies). Not gonna happen.

Cutting Morton after June 1 would be pretty smart though. His current '05 cap figure would go from $1.04 million, to $0.5 million, giving us an extra $0.54 million in room to play with. That would come in handy for dealing with the issues that face us. If we did this, we'd carry $1.0 million in dead cap money in 2006. But that is less than his scheduled $2.3 million 2006 figure.

I'd say there's a good chance we'll axe him after June 1.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Cutting Morton now would hurt our 2005 salary cap. He is currently on our 2005 salary cap for $1.04 Million. Cutting him now would make his cap hit $1.5 Million, taking away $0.46 Million of our precious cap room, of which we have about $2 million (and we still need to deal with Santana Moss, Rod Gardner, and sign our rookies). Not gonna happen.

Cutting Morton after June 1 would be pretty smart though. His current '05 cap figure would go from $1.04 million, to $0.5 million, giving us an extra $0.54 million in room to play with. That would come in handy for dealing with the issues that face us. If we did this, we'd carry $1.0 million in dead cap money in 2006. But that is less than his scheduled $2.3 million 2006 figure.

I'd say there's a good chance we'll axe him after June 1.[/QUOTE]
Why Rod Gardner? Isnt he in his last year of his contract?

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I think Morton is finished with us, maybe we keep him around for specials if his cap # isn't that bad, but there's no comparison between him and Brown or Moss on kickoffs, I am very exited to see brown on kick's especially punt's, the few times we used him he was as explosive as I have seen, Daryl Green type of explosion, as Portis said "he's the fastest human he's ever seen" as for Moss he is recognized as an elite return man.

It's true you need blocking to get off a good return, but I believe in the return game the player carrying the ball is as equally important as his blockers, and Morton wasen't creating something out of nothing, both Brown and Moss have the ability to do that.

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I would make a good special teams player...people tell me I'm special all the time.

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"Life Goes On" type special?

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]Why Rod Gardner? Isnt he in his last year of his contract?[/QUOTE]

Yes he is. I just meant that they still have to decide what they're going to do with him. I think they were counting on trading him to get the $1.5 million in cap room it would save, but since they weren't able to, now they have only about $2 million to sign Moss and the rookies. I wouldn't rule out Gardner getting axed outright, because they might need the cap room that bad.

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Especially if there are some promising rookies that need to get signed.

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Mortons stats: yr #atmps avg
punt ret 2001 30 9.3
2002 4 12.8
2003 4 12.8
2004 13 6.2
kick ret 2001 44 23.4
2002 58 26.0 2tds
2003 58 26.0 2tds
2004 16 22.4

Look at his stats for 2002 and 2003 they are the same in all categories

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[QUOTE=firstdown]Mortons stats: yr #atmps avg
punt ret 2001 30 9.3
2002 4 12.8
2003 4 12.8
2004 13 6.2
kick ret 2001 44 23.4
2002 58 26.0 2tds
2003 58 26.0 2tds
2004 16 22.4

Look at his stats for 2002 and 2003 they are the same in all categories[/QUOTE]

Dude I don't know where you got your numbers but they're wrong.

Punt Returns
YEAR TEAM # YDS Avg
2002 NYJ 4 51 12.8
2003 WAS 19 188 9.9
2004 WAS 13 80 6.2

Kick Returns
YEAR TEAM # YDS Avg
2002 NYJ 58 1509 26.0
2003 WAS 44 1029 23.4
2004 WAS 16 358 22.4

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5195"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5195[/url]

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Dude I don't know where you got your numbers but they're wrong.

Punt Returns
YEAR TEAM # YDS Avg
2002 NYJ 4 51 12.8
2003 WAS 19 188 9.9
2004 WAS 13 80 6.2

Kick Returns
YEAR TEAM # YDS Avg
2002 NYJ 58 1509 26.0
2003 WAS 44 1029 23.4
2004 WAS 16 358 22.4

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5195"]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?statsId=5195[/url][/QUOTE]
They were from nflplayers.com that explains how he had duplicate numbers in 2002 and 2003 . Thanks.

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I'm convinced we did much to improve our ST with our last four draft choices. It seems we had ST in mind after our first two selections.All four of these guys I hope will help. Sally Jenkins touched on this subject in her article in the Post this morning. We have not done well in the latter rounds of the draft, and I'm hoping this year will be an exception.

We seem to always have good return men but for some odd reason they never do well, including Deon. Maybe we get some true STeamers and less stars and the result will be different. I remember what a stickler George Allen was for ST. He kept Bill Mallencheck on the team a couple years just to block kicks, beleiving that ST would win at least two games for us each season. Maybe we can somehow get back to that type special teams play in the future. And, how many think Antonio Brown may get a look at wide receiver in some situations?

Good ST in 05

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One question I have about specials teams play... I was kinda young back then but didn't Gibbs put more tricks into his ST, especially kick returns?

I kinda remember at some point you would see the Skins doing some end around or laterals in their ST play.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]Is it just me or does it look to you guys that or coaching staff has made a point to improve on our special teams. Feild position is one huge way to help our offense this season and they indirectly will win some games for us. Have any of you noticed this trend?[/QUOTE]Look at the Gibbs teans of past the all had good special teams.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]Is it just me or does it look to you guys that or coaching staff has made a point to improve on our special teams. Feild position is one huge way to help our offense this season and they indirectly will win some games for us. Have any of you noticed this trend?[/QUOTE]

I completedly agree. The last several picks were all done with that in mind. Our kick/punt return situation could stand some clarification, I think.