With the 5th pick in the draft the Washington Redskins select...
 

Dante Fowler Jr


Thats my feeling, what's yours? Who do you want and who do you think we select?

I think Randy Gregory, Beasely and Fowler are my favorites...Shelton, Cooper and Mariota are under strong consideration by the organization. I trust Scott, should be interesting.

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I say Fowler, Beasley, even Williams, whoever falls on their lap after the other teams pick ahead.

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Williams, Beasley, Fowler... in that order.

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does randy gregory seriously weigh less than 240?

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since lawrence taylor, has such a slender [under 240] pass rusher recorded double digit sacks?

von miller is the closest i could think of but he's 250, i believe. von miller's combine profile says he was 246 at the time.

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Amari Cooper, Leonard Williams, Dante Fowler Jr.

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If Williams is gone then Cooper, but I really believe in Murphy

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Trade down.

If that is not an option for this thread, then I say Fowler. He has the size that McC covets.

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Williams, Cooper, Fowler - in that order.

I expect the two QB's to be gone along with Williams. Oakland may pick Knight rather than Cooper but my gut says the pick Williams or Cooper with Jax taking the other.

At that point, it becomes a question of Fowler v. Beasley. Between the two, I really do not know who is likely to be the better pro, and I am not certain which way Scot McC is leaning. To me, it all depends on who Scot McC thinks is the better "football" guy.

I [B][I][U]DO NOT [/U][/I][/B]want Gregory or Knight. As I have said in other places, I would rather risk they become HOF'ers for someone else than have either become Justin Blackmon for us. (My concern for Knight is more that he is a one-year wonder against less than stellar competition - I have not heard any concerns about his character).

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I really dont think the weed stuff affects Gregory stock with McC...thats my gut feeling. Randy Gregory is high on our draft board...Gruden is a bigggg fan

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[quote=los panda;1110440]since lawrence taylor, has such a slender [under 240] pass rusher recorded double digit sacks?

von miller is the closest i could think of but he's 250, i believe. von miller's combine profile says he was 246 at the time.[/quote]i didn't think so!

i like gregory but not #5 overall. but i don't feel extremely strong about that, he may be worth it. i certainly don't know

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In a strange way I'm rooting for them to take Mariota, if only because it means Scot McCloughan likes him. And given how much he liked Russell Wilson, I'd see it as a very good sign if McC thought highly enough of Mariota. I'm not sure if that is circular logic but it basically shows my faith in McCloughan.

All that said, I think Fowler is the pick.

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let's get a poll going in here.

with "trade down" being a choice

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[quote=los panda;1110449]let's get a poll going in here.

with "trade down" being a choice[/quote]

I am hoping for a trade down since there seems to be some good pass rushers later in the draft. Now, if Leonard Williams is there at 5, which I dont personally think is possible, then you take him barring an absolutely crazy trade offer.

As for our pick if we stay at 5, Im hoping for either Beasley or Fowler. Imo, Beasley will be the better pass rusher, Fowler will be the better overall OLB. I understand the logic of a WR with that pick, but im still hoping for help with the pass rush with the number 5 since a WR being dominant requires getting him the ball. And unless we improve across the OL and QB, the best WR isnt going to help us much, where as a dominant defense can.

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What if Mariota is there at 5 and Mclovin doesn't pick him, people will swear DS made him pass on him. We can't win with the media.

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NO WR'S PLEASE. Seriously, get one in the 4th round that can be a #3 and be a punt returner. We need a pass rusher or someone that can protect the QB.

Why wouldn't we take Beasley? He seems to be the most complete OLB in the draft. Plus no off the field issues.

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We've done the trade down thing already and it netted us Jarvis Jenkins, Leonard Hankerson, and Roy Helu. Let that bull sink in. We traded up and got RG3, I wanna stay where we are and take the BPA

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1110453]We've done the trade down thing already and it netted us Jarvis Jenkins, Leonard Hankerson, and Roy Helu. Let that bull sink in. We traded up and got RG3, I wanna stay where we are and take the BPA[/quote]1 dirt-cheap semi-starter, 1 dirt-cheap depth wr, and 1 dirt-cheap role player.

i don't mind.

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[quote=los panda;1110454]1 dirt-cheap semi-starter, 1 dirt-cheap depth wr, and 1 dirt-cheap role player.

i don't mind.[/quote]

rather take a chance on a major impact player at 5, no question

you can find all 3 of those above in free agency for pennies

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[quote=Chico23231;1110455]rather take a chance on a major impact player at 5, no question

you can find all 3 of those above in free agency for pennies[/quote]do you consider the terence newman and/or miles austin contracts as pennies contracts?

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a good trade this time with the Rams:

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/draft-chatter-redskins-rams-hypothetical-trade-fair-one]Draft chatter: Redskins-Rams hypothetical trade a fair one | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

A good OLB will be available at #10 in the first round, and you can add a safety / guard in the 3rd and 4th

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[quote=los panda;1110456]do you consider the terence newman and/or miles austin contracts as pennies contracts?[/quote]

I just think I rather take my chance on an impact player

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[quote=Chico23231;1110458]I just think I rather take my chance on an impact player[/quote]i understand. i am asking you if those are the type of free agent contracts that you referred to for pennies.

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[quote=los panda;1110454]1 dirt-cheap semi-starter, 1 dirt-cheap depth wr, and 1 dirt-cheap role player.

i don't mind.[/quote]

It was basically 3 dirt cheap garbage players whom which, none of them are on the team just 3 years later

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1110453]We've done the trade down thing already and it netted us Jarvis Jenkins, Leonard Hankerson, and Roy Helu. Let that bull sink in. We traded up and got RG3, I wanna stay where we are and take the BPA[/quote]

That history does not matter at all, that was with incompetent talent evaluators and DS chiming in. We actually have someone who knows what they are doing in charge now. [B]In Scot we trust[/B].

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[quote=los panda;1110459]i understand. i am asking you if those are the type of free agent contracts that you referred to for pennies.[/quote]

1 year deals for guys who arent worth the 5.5 million they signed for. the players are the pennies in this case.

What did Jenkins and Hank sign for?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1110453][B]We've done the trade down thing already and it netted us Jarvis Jenkins, Leonard Hankerson, and Roy Helu. Let that bull sink in.[/B] We traded up and got RG3, I wanna stay where we are and take the BPA[/quote]

Quake, it makes zero f'ing sense to apply the poor results of a Bruce Allen/Shanahan draft move to the Scot McCloughan era.

Give Scot those three picks and I guarantee he comes up with a lot better results than Bruce did.

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[quote=hutch17;1110461]That history does not matter at all, that was with incompetent talent evaluators and DS chiming in. We actually have someone who knows what they are doing in charge now. [B]In Scot we trust[/B].[/quote]

I do think this is the year to go all in with the trade down scenario. Now if there is a guy you want available, you take him, but, this year, and this year only, we have as our GM a guy who was looking at all the college players and generating reports for several different teams in need of different positions. We ought to try and take advantage of that fact.

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I believe in BPA in general. I believe more picks = more chances to add starters

But I also believe that when you are sitting in the top 10, you shouldnt trade down so far that all of your grade A players are gone.

I dont care if we trade down but i dont want to trade down so far that all the potential grade A players like shelton, ray, scherff or even beasley are gone.

We have the no. 5 overall pick. There seems to be plenty of grade A talent for the top 10 to 12 picks. id like to stay in the top 10.

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[quote=hutch17;1110461][B]That history does not matter at all, that was with incompetent talent evaluators and DS chiming in. We actually have someone who knows what they are doing in charge now.[/B] [B]In Scot we trust[/B].[/quote]

Actually Bruce Allen was, and still is, a member of our personnel team as well as the leader of the franchise. It was Allen who gave us the McNabb trade, for example. He's still in charge. He's McC's boss.

Before someone says, "They said Scot has full control," please understand that they said the same under Shanahan, yet Allen gave us both the McNabb trade and the RGIII trade.

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[quote=Schneed10;1110464]Quake, it makes zero f'ing sense to apply the poor results of a Bruce Allen/Shanahan draft move to the Scot McCloughan era.

Give Scot those three picks and I guarantee he comes up with a lot better results than Bruce did.[/quote]

I get that, still not a fan of the whole trading down game

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1110476]I get that, still not a fan of the whole trading down game[/quote]

Explain

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[quote=Schneed10;1110477]Explain[/quote]

As soon as I get out of this meeting I will explain my side

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Trading down isn't a bad thing to do. Just depends on the situation. But if there's a potentially great player on the board, and I think there is w/ Beasley, then you take him. End of discussion. Trading down certainly hasn't worked here, doesn't mean it won't. But we could have JJ Watt, instead we have Kerrigan. Not a draft expert but unless someone blows us away with something, I'd stay put and draft Beasley.

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"Here’s what a few football people who were at the league meetings are thinking about the breakdown of this draft: [B]Nine prime picks[/B], then eight or 10 really good prospects, then maybe 30 or so of the same-level player. The top nine: quarterbacks [B]Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, defensive tackle Leonard Williams, wideouts Kevin White and Amari Cooper, pass-rushers Dante Fowler and Vic Beasley, offensive tackle Brandon Scherff and cornerback Trae Waynes. After that, beauty starts to be in the eye of the beholder.[/B] I had one GM tell me: “The 17th pick on our board might be the 53rd pick on another team’s board—and that could be a team we really respect.”

In other words, even if the Redskins trade back into a pick somewhere in the early teens they could be looking at a major drop off in the quality of the player they will get in the first round.

There is always the debate over quality or quantity. The crowd that wants to trade down thinks that giving McCloughan more selections will increase the chances that he can find future contributors. But there is also something to be said for getting a single impact player who has a very high chance of being successful and who can make other players around him better.

[url=http://realredskins.com/2015/03/31/need-to-know-why-the-redskins-might-not-want-to-trade-down-in-the-draft/]Need to Know: Why the Redskins might not want to trade down in the draft | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

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If we stay at #5, get Fowler.

If Fowler's gone, trade down with target on the following, in order:
- Waynes, CB, MSU
- Flowers, OT, Miami
- Peat, OT Stanford
- Dupree, DE//OLB, Kentucky

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[quote=Chico23231;1110462]1 year deals for guys who arent worth the 5.5 million they signed for. the players are the pennies in this case.

What did Jenkins and Hank sign for?[/quote]i think they signed 1 year deals worth roughly $1m each?

so jenkins and hank are the pennies? these are the kind of players you meant could be found in free agency for pennies?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1110486]If we stay at #5, get Fowler.

If Fowler's gone, trade down with target on the following, in order:
- Waynes, CB, MSU
- Flowers, OT, Miami
- Peat, OT Stanford
- Dupree, DE//OLB, Kentucky[/quote]
That would be a plan . I just hope we don't draft a WR in rd 1 .

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[quote=skinsfan69;1110480]Trading down isn't a bad thing to do. Just depends on the situation. But if there's a potentially great player on the board, and I think there is w/ Beasley, then you take him. End of discussion. [B]Trading down certainly hasn't worked here, doesn't mean it won't. But we could have JJ Watt, instead we have Kerrigan. [/B]Not a draft expert but unless someone blows us away with something, I'd stay put and draft Beasley.[/quote]

At the same time, where Watt was drafted tells you we can trade back and still get an elite player.

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[quote=budw38;1110488]I just hope we don't draft a WR in rd 1 .[/quote]Agree 100%!