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Chico23231 04-16-2015 09:23 AM

Go ahead, Mock me! Mock Draft 2015
 
2 weeks folks, give me your mock draft. top 5, top 10, first round...

Here is where I stand right now:

1. Tampa - Winston
2. Tenn - Mariota
3. Jacksonville - Fowler, Jr
4. Raiders - Leonard Williams
5. Skins - Amari Cooper
6. Jets - Kevin White
7. Bears - Vic Beasley
8. Falcons - Randy Gregory
9. Giants - Scherff
10. Rams - La'el Collins
11. Vikings - Bud Dupree
12. Browns - Devante Parker
13. Saints - Danny Shelton
14. Dolphins - Breshad Perriman
15. 49ers - Trae Waynes

keemarley 04-16-2015 10:07 AM

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1. Tampa - Winston
2. ??????- Mariota
3. Jacksonville - Vic Beasley
4. Raiders - Leonard Williams
5. Skins - Dante Fowler (:/ meh)
6. Jets - Bud Dupree
7. Bears - Amari Cooper
8. Falcons - Randy Gregory
9. Giants - Kevin White
10. Rams - La'el Collins

SirLK26 04-16-2015 12:45 PM

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1. Tampa Bay - Jameis Winston
2. Tennessee - Leonard Williams
3. Jacksonville - Vic Beasley
4. Oakland - Kevin White
5. Washington - Dante Fowler
6. New York Jets - Marcus Mariota
7. Chicago - Danny Shelton
8. Falcons - Shane Ray
9. New York Giants - Brandon Scherff
10. St. Louis - Amari Cooper
11. Minnesota - DeVante Parker
12. Cleveland - Malcolm Brown
13. New Orleans - Trae Waynes
14. Miami - Ereck Flowers
15. San Francisco - Randy Gregory
16. Houston - Andrus Peat
17. San Diego - Kevin Johnson
18. Kansas City - La'el Collins
19. Cleveland - Breshad Perriman
20. Philadelphia - Landon Collins
21. Cincinnati - Byron Jones
22. Pittsburgh - Jalen Collins
23. Detroit - Cameron Erving
24. Arizona - Alvin Dupree
25. Carolina - Jake Fisher
26. Baltimore - Todd Gurley
27. Dallas - Marcus Peters
28. Denver - Phillip Dorsett
29. Indianapolis - Eric Kendricks
30. Green Bay - Eddie Goldman
31. New Orleans - Arik Armstead
32. New England - Dorial Green-Beckham

Kindoy 04-16-2015 03:33 PM

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Don't a lot of mocks have Fowler going ahead of Beasley?

Chico23231 04-16-2015 03:54 PM

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[quote=Kindoy;1111097]Don't a lot of mocks have Fowler going ahead of Beasley?[/quote]

We mock those so-called experts.

diehardskin2982 04-16-2015 05:00 PM

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My draft scenario: Philly trades for Mariota gives up the RG3 style ransom. Cleveland trades with us for their 2 first and their second rounder for our 1st and 2nd. we draft Gregory and Collins.

1. Tampa Bay - Jameis Winston
2. Philadelphia - Marcus Mariota
3. Jacksonville - Leonard Williams
4. Oakland - Amari Cooper
5. Cleveland - Kevin White
6. New York Jets - Vic Beasley
7. Chicago - Dante Fowler
8. Falcons - Danny Shelton
9. New York Giants - Brandon Scherff
10. St. Louis - Shane Ray
11. Minnesota - DeVante Parker
12. Washington - Randy Gregory
13. New Orleans - Trae Waynes
14. Miami - Ereck Flowers
15. San Francisco - Malcolm Brown
16. Houston - Andrus Peat
17. San Diego - Kevin Johnson
18. Kansas City - Landon Collins
19. Washington - La'el Collins
20. Tennessee - Breshad Perriman
21. Cincinnati - Byron Jones
22. Pittsburgh - Jalen Collins
23. Detroit - Cameron Erving
24. Arizona - Alvin Dupree
25. Carolina - Jake Fisher
26. Baltimore - Todd Gurley
27. Dallas - Marcus Peters
28. Denver - Phillip Dorsett
29. Indianapolis - Eric Kendricks
30. Green Bay - Eddie Goldman
31. Seattle - DJ Humphries
32. New England - Dorial Green-Beckham

KI Skins Fan 04-16-2015 05:14 PM

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1. Tampa Bay - Jameis Winston
2. San Diego - Marcus Mariota (Rivers to Tennessee)
3. Jacksonville - Leonard Williams
4. Oakland - Kevin White
5. Washington - Dante Fowler

diehardskin2982 04-16-2015 05:34 PM

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1111103]1. Tampa Bay - Jameis Winston
2. San Diego - Marcus Mariota (Rivers to Tennessee)
3. Jacksonville - Leonard Williams
4. Oakland - Kevin White
5. Washington - Dante Fowler[/quote]

If anyone made the trade for Rivers, it should be us!

KI Skins Fan 04-16-2015 06:54 PM

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1111106]If anyone made the trade for Rivers, it should be us![/quote]

That is so true!

But

If SD wants Mariota, they need to move up to #2 to make sure they get him.

On the other side of the trade, with new ownership on the way Whisenhunt needs to win now. Whisenhunt coached Rivers in SD and he knows he can win with him. Tennessee already has a decent OL, so Rivers should flourish there.

This trade just makes too much sense not to be a possibility.

30gut 04-19-2015 02:06 PM

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1. Tampa - Mariota
2. Tenn - Williams
3. Jacksonville - Beasley
4. Raiders - Fowler
5. Skins - Amari Cooper
6. Jets - Kevin White
7. Bears - J Winston
8. Falcons - Bud Dupree
9. Giants - Scherff
10. Rams - La'el Collins
11. Vikings - Gurley
12. Browns - Danny Shelton
13. Saints - Devante Parker
14. Dolphins - Trae Waynes
15. 49ers - Arik Armstread

Chico23231 04-19-2015 03:29 PM

Re: Go ahead, Mock me! Mock Draft 2015
 
[quote=30gut;1111218]1. Tampa - Mariota
2. Tenn - Williams
3. Jacksonville - Beasley
4. Raiders - Fowler
5. Skins - Amari Cooper
6. Jets - Kevin White
7. Bears - J Winston
8. Falcons - Bud Dupree
9. Giants - Scherff
10. Rams - La'el Collins
11. Vikings - Gurley
12. Browns - Danny Shelton
13. Saints - Devante Parker
14. Dolphins - Trae Waynes
15. 49ers - Arik Armstread[/quote]

Lol the ultimate," don't mind me, I'm just trolling" mock draft

Irrefutable 04-19-2015 04:30 PM

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1111106]If anyone made the trade for Rivers, it should be us![/quote]

Rivers has one year left on his contract- not interested unless he signs an extension

Daseal 04-21-2015 08:32 AM

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[quote=Irrefutable;1111225]Rivers has one year left on his contract- not interested unless he signs an extension[/quote]

I agree, a contract would have to be negotiated prior to the draft. He's also 33. I'm pretty done with the vet players. No doubt he's a very very good QB. Not worth what we'd have to give up, pay him, and how long he'd be here.

1. Tampa - Winston
2. Tenn - Mariotta (Trade possible)
3. Jacksonville - Fowler
4. Raiders - Cooper
5. Skins - Williams
6. Jets - Beasley
7. Bears - Shelton
8. Falcons - Bud Dupree
9. Giants - Scherff
10. Rams - Kevin White

KI Skins Fan 04-21-2015 04:10 PM

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[quote=Daseal;1111307]I agree, a contract would have to be negotiated prior to the draft. He's also 33. I'm pretty done with the vet players. No doubt he's a very very good QB. Not worth what we'd have to give up, pay him, and how long he'd be here.

1. Tampa - Winston
2. Tenn - Mariotta (Trade possible)
3. Jacksonville - Fowler
4. Raiders - Cooper
5. Skins - Williams
6. Jets - Beasley
7. Bears - Shelton
8. Falcons - Bud Dupree
9. Giants - Scherff
10. Rams - Kevin White[/quote]

I think your mock draft is well thought out. You seem to know team needs very well.

I'd agree that somebody is going to use the second pick on Mariota. We just don't know which team yet.

If Williams is on the board when we pick, it should take SM about a pico-second to turn in the card with his name on it.

As for St. Louis, shouldn't there be a team limit on WR's from WVU?

calia 04-21-2015 04:50 PM

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1111102]My draft scenario: Philly trades for Mariota gives up the RG3 style ransom. Cleveland trades with us for their 2 first and their second rounder for our 1st and 2nd. we draft Gregory and Collins.

1. Tampa Bay - Jameis Winston
2. Philadelphia - Marcus Mariota
3. Jacksonville - Leonard Williams
4. Oakland - Amari Cooper
5. Cleveland - Kevin White
6. New York Jets - Vic Beasley
7. Chicago - Dante Fowler
8. Falcons - Danny Shelton
9. New York Giants - Brandon Scherff
10. St. Louis - Shane Ray
11. Minnesota - DeVante Parker
12. Washington - Randy Gregory
13. New Orleans - Trae Waynes
14. Miami - Ereck Flowers
15. San Francisco - Malcolm Brown
16. Houston - Andrus Peat
17. San Diego - Kevin Johnson
18. Kansas City - Landon Collins
19. Washington - La'el Collins
20. Tennessee - Breshad Perriman
21. Cincinnati - Byron Jones
22. Pittsburgh - Jalen Collins
23. Detroit - Cameron Erving
24. Arizona - Alvin Dupree
25. Carolina - Jake Fisher
26. Baltimore - Todd Gurley
27. Dallas - Marcus Peters
28. Denver - Phillip Dorsett
29. Indianapolis - Eric Kendricks
30. Green Bay - Eddie Goldman
31. Seattle - DJ Humphries
32. New England - Dorial Green-Beckham[/quote]

Out of curiosity, if Landon Collins is still there at 19, do we take him? Safety has been so disasterous for so long, I think I'd be inclined to do so, as much as we need OL help as well. What say you?

EARTHQUAKE2689 04-21-2015 05:26 PM

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1st: Amari Cooper WR, Alabama
2nd: Laken Tomlinson G, Duke
3rd: Ameer Abdullah RB, Nebraska
4th: Anthony Harris S, Virginia
5th: BPA
6th: BPA
7th: BPA

this is with no trades obviously

Skip Bayless 04-21-2015 06:50 PM

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Hi, I've been lurking for a while here, this is my first post. Be gentle.

I moved out of the Redskin broadcast area, but continue to be a die hard fan. Id like to see us trade down, preferably with Cleveland for two firsts. Pick up an olinemen and Kevin White maybe. We did pretty good in free agency on the defensive front.

I didn't get to see every game unfortunately last year, but I have to ask did Trent Murphy play that bad while filling in for Orakpo? I agree with best player available, but it seems like people are counting Trent out already. Being as I didn't see all the games he started, I'm very curious how he is perceived in the community. I haven't seen much on him, sometimes no press is bad press.

KI Skins Fan 04-21-2015 07:15 PM

Re: Go ahead, Mock me! Mock Draft 2015
 
[quote=calia;1111336]Out of curiosity, if Landon Collins is still there at 19, do we take him? Safety has been so disasterous for so long, I think I'd be inclined to do so, as much as we need OL help as well. What say you?[/quote]

If we were to do the deal with Cleveland, I think your mock of Randy Gregory and La'el Collins in the first round would be perfect for us. Landon Collins would be a good pick too IMO but there's no need to overthink it when you already made two great picks.

p.s. Whoops! Wrong poster's mock. Stiil, great picks by the Die Hard, IMO.

KI Skins Fan 04-21-2015 07:31 PM

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[quote=Skip Bayless;1111341]Hi, I've been lurking for a while here, this is my first post. Be gentle.

I moved out of the Redskin broadcast area, but continue to be a die hard fan. Id like to see us trade down, preferably with Cleveland for two firsts. Pick up an olinemen and Kevin White maybe. We did pretty good in free agency on the defensive front.

I didn't get to see every game unfortunately last year, but I have to ask did Trent Murphy play that bad while filling in for Orakpo? I agree with best player available, but it seems like people are counting Trent out already. Being as I didn't see all the games he started, I'm very curious how he is perceived in the community. I haven't seen much on him, sometimes no press is bad press.[/quote]

Good post! Trent is a good football player. He's stout against the run but he didn't apply much pressure last season (2.5 sacks). Maybe he'll improve his pass rush this season. We wouldn't be starving for an OLB if we don't draft one but it's always good to improve the pass rush, if possible.

MTK 04-21-2015 08:03 PM

Re: Go ahead, Mock me! Mock Draft 2015
 
[quote=Skip Bayless;1111341]Hi, I've been lurking for a while here, this is my first post. Be gentle.

I moved out of the Redskin broadcast area, but continue to be a die hard fan. Id like to see us trade down, preferably with Cleveland for two firsts. Pick up an olinemen and Kevin White maybe. We did pretty good in free agency on the defensive front.

I didn't get to see every game unfortunately last year, but I have to ask did Trent Murphy play that bad while filling in for Orakpo? I agree with best player available, but it seems like people are counting Trent out already. Being as I didn't see all the games he started, I'm very curious how he is perceived in the community. I haven't seen much on him, sometimes no press is bad press.[/quote]

He's very good against the run, better than most fans realize. Still has work to do as a pass rusher but I think he's a good young player for sure.

Skip Bayless 04-21-2015 08:45 PM

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Yeah, I saw Trent didn't have many sacks, he caused two fumbles and recovered one in 8 starts. Not great but not horrible. I said WR but was misinformed on the age of Jackson and Garcon, so I take that wr idea back.

Id love to add more pass rush definitely. So many options even if we miss out on some of the higher rated players. Fowler, Ray, Beasley, Gregory, Dupree, Shelton would all be gladly welcomed, assuming Williams is gone early as everyone predicts. I just dont want the offensive line to be neglected. We have to protect whoever ends up back there, tired of hearing the excuses.

diehardskin2982 04-21-2015 10:19 PM

Re: Go ahead, Mock me! Mock Draft 2015
 
[quote=calia;1111336]Out of curiosity, if Landon Collins is still there at 19, do we take him? Safety has been so disasterous for so long, I think I'd be inclined to do so, as much as we need OL help as well. What say you?[/quote]

We have 2 new starters right now and there is no guarantee on Collins. I see him as a Strong Safety and we have like 5 of them on the roster. I was tweeting with John Keim and he mentioned we could draft La'rel to move him in at RG keeping Moses at RT. That adds some size and nastiness to that group who to me play soft.

Plus I really hate Chester.

Alvin Walton 04-25-2015 03:03 PM

Re: Go ahead, Mock me! Mock Draft 2015
 
I'll do two scenario five rounders -

1. Vic Beasley - OLB
2. TJ Clemmings - OT
3. Hroniss Grasu - C
4. Jaquiski Tartt - S
5. David Cobb - RB

The trade no one saw coming
Mariota falls to Washington.
Washington trades its #5 spot to Denver.
And its 6th round pick.
Washington gets Denvers #28 spot in the first.
Its 2nd 3rd and 2 5ths in 2015 and its 5th in 2016

1. Ereck Flowers - OT
2. Shaq Thompson OLB/Converts to safety
2. AJ Cann - OG
3. Denzel Perryman - ILB
3. Jeremy Langford - RB
4. Rakeem Nunez-Roches - DT
5. Cody Fajardo - QB
5. Tony Lippett - WR
5. Charlie Gaines - CB

Skinsfanatic 04-27-2015 02:03 PM

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Did a run through on the Fanspeak simulator, and this is what I came up with for the Skins for all 7 rounds. I would be happy with it.

1: R1P5
OLB VIC BEASLEY
CLEMSON

2: R2P6
OT ANDRUS PEAT
STANFORD

3: R3P5
OG A.J. CANN
SOUTH CAROLINA

4: R4P6
FS DERRON SMITH
FRESNO STATE

5: R5P5
CB SENQUEZ GOLSON
OLE MISS

6: R6P6
WR STEFON DIGGS
MARYLAND

7: R7P5
QB CONNOR HALLIDAY
WASHINGTON STATE

EARTHQUAKE2689 04-27-2015 03:09 PM

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No way Diggs makes it to the 6th round

skinsfaninok 04-27-2015 09:02 PM

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1. TB - J.Winston QB (FSU)
2. SD (Trade with Tenn) - M. Mariotta QB (ORE)
3. JAX - D Fowler Jr OLB (UF)
4. OAK - A Cooper WR (ALA)
5. WAS - L Williams DT (USC)
6. NYJ - K White WR (WVU)
7. CHI - E Flowers OL (MIA)
8. ATL - V Beasley OLB (CLEM)
9. NYG - B Scherff OT (IOWA)
10. STL - D Parker WR (UL)
11. MIN - B Dupree OLB (KENT)
12. CLE - D Shelton DT (WASH)
13. NO - T Waynes CB (MICH ST)
14. MIA - L Collins S (ALA)
15. SF - R Gregory OLB (NEB)
16. HOU - B Perriman WR (UCF)
17. TENN - T Gurley RB (UGA)
18. KC - A Peat OL (STAN)
19. CLE - J Strong WR (ASU)
20. PHI - S RAY OLB (MIZZ)
21. CIN - M Brown DT (TEXAS)
22. PITT - S Thompson OLB (WASH)
23. DET - A Armstead DE (ORE)
24. MIN FROM ARZ (PETERSON TRADED TO CARDS) - M GORDON RB (WISC)
25. CAR - DORIAL GREEN-BECKHAM WR (MIZZOU)
26. BAL - K Johnson - CB (WF)
27. DAL - D Johnson RB (MIA)
28. DEN - B Hundley QB (UCLA)
29. IND - D Perryman ILB (MIA)
30. GB - PJ Williams CB (FSU)
31. NO - D Randall S (ASU)
32. NE - K Alexander LB (LSU)

Hog1 04-27-2015 09:34 PM

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[quote=Skip Bayless;1111350]Yeah, I saw Trent didn't have many sacks, he caused two fumbles and recovered one in 8 starts. Not great but not horrible. I said WR but was misinformed on the age of Jackson and Garcon, so I take that wr idea back.

Id love to add more pass rush definitely. So many options even if we miss out on some of the higher rated players. Fowler, Ray, Beasley, Gregory, Dupree, Shelton would all be gladly welcomed, assuming Williams is gone early as everyone predicts. I just dont want the offensive line to be neglected. We have to protect whoever ends up back there, tired of hearing the excuses.[/quote]

Welcome to the WP Skip!
You picked a great week to come out of the........closet

Chico23231 04-27-2015 09:39 PM

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[quote=Hog1;1111723]Welcome to the WP Skip!
You picked a great week to come out of the........closet[/quote]

If we could just lure stephen a smith to the path we would have it made! However..

Hog1 04-27-2015 09:43 PM

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Stephen A is.....radical man
Or at least his Shtick is.

DYoungJelly 04-27-2015 09:54 PM

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[quote=Mattyk;1111344]He's very good against the run, better than most fans realize. Still has work to do as a pass rusher but I think he's a good young player for sure.[/quote]

He was on Redskins Nation the other day with no "s" Larry Michael.

He has definitely gotten bigger and said he had made this offseason's focus on lower body strength and getting off the ball quicker.

I thought he snap reaction was really good last year, but lacks a good quick move.

I think he is gonna perform well this year.

He is going to be a really good player but I doubt he will ever turn into an elite pass rusher.

los panda 04-27-2015 10:00 PM

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if we take a rb higher than round 5 or 6, he better start.

EARTHQUAKE2689 04-27-2015 11:35 PM

Re: Go ahead, Mock me! Mock Draft 2015
 
I have two, one if we trade with the Browns and one where we don't:

(No trade)

1st: Amari Cooper WR, Alabama
2nd: Jake Fisher OT, Oregon
3rd: Ameer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska
4th: Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB, Oregon
5th: Nick O'Leary TE, Florida State
6th: BPA
7th: BPA

If we trade with the Browns (My scenario has us getting their 12th, 19th, and 3rd round pick)

1st: Alvin "Bud" Dupree OLB, Kentucky
1st: La'el Collins OT, LSU
2nd: Byron Jones CB/S, UConn
3rd: Stefon Diggs WR, Maryland
3rd: A.J. Cann OG, South Carolina
4th: Tevin Coleman RB, Indiana
5th: Nick O'Leary TE, Florida State
6th: BPA
7th: BPA

The Dull Roar 04-28-2015 06:57 PM

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I just did this draft on the Fanspeak simulator. Obviously this is without any trades. I actually feel really good about the guys i managed to land. The first 4 to go were Winston, Williams, Beasley, then Cooper.

1. OLB| Dante Fowler jr.| Florida
2. S | Quinten Rollins| Miami Ohio
3. CB | Ronald Darby| Florida State
4. OT | Rob Havenstein| Wisconsin
5. TE | Jesse James| Penn State
6. G | Jamon Brown| Louisville
7. C | Max Garcia| Florida

In rounds 1-3, I was able to add guys who i believe will fill most of the remaining holes on the defense with pretty damn good players in my opinion. I had planned to go offensive line with some of these early picks but I love all three of those players so i couldn't resist picking them.

For rounds 4-7 my goal was pretty much to help RG3 (or whoever our quarterback will be for most of the season) as much as possible. In order to do this I tried to patch up the line as much as possible with big maulers and road graders who were 310+ lbs. Some of them fell as far as they did not because of a lack of athleticism, but because of unrefined technique. I think Coach Callahan could help them out with that. As for the TE, Jesse James, I think he could come in and be a good insurance policy to Jordan Reed and would add tight end to our roster who is capable of blocking.

I believe that all of these players could come in and compete for a starting spot on this roster from day one so i was pretty excited that the draft simulator fell this way.

skinsfaninok 04-28-2015 10:04 PM

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1111739]I have two, one if we trade with the Browns and one where we don't:

(No trade)

1st: Amari Cooper WR, Alabama
2nd: Jake Fisher OT, Oregon
3rd: Ameer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska
4th: Ifo Ekpre-Olomu CB, Oregon
5th: Nick O'Leary TE, Florida State
6th: BPA
7th: BPA

If we trade with the Browns (My scenario has us getting their 12th, 19th, and 3rd round pick)

1st: Alvin "Bud" Dupree OLB, Kentucky
1st: La'el Collins OT, LSU
2nd: Byron Jones CB/S, UConn
3rd: Stefon Diggs WR, Maryland
3rd: A.J. Cann OG, South Carolina
4th: Tevin Coleman RB, Indiana
5th: Nick O'Leary TE, Florida State
6th: BPA
7th: BPA[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't mind Cooper honestly or even white but my favorite is williams, I just believe he's a can't miss player and an instant probowl guy day 1. Fowler also

EARTHQUAKE2689 04-28-2015 11:39 PM

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1111805]I wouldn't mind Cooper honestly or even white but my favorite is williams, I just believe he's a can't miss player and an instant probowl guy day 1. Fowler also[/quote]

Williams I feel that way about too, Fowler not so much.


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