Gibbs Skeptical that Gardner Will Return
 

After being miserable as a Redskin in 2004, Rod Gardner asked Redskins' head coach Joe Gibbs that he be traded or released. Gibbs, wanting to develop a core group of Redskins who wanted be in D.C., seemed willing to honor Gardner's request and the team sought to trade him prior to last month's draft. However, no other team was willing to part with Washington's asking price of a 3rd round draft pick.

Shortly after the draft, Gibbs supposedly made efforts to have Gardner return to the team for the 2005 season. Gardner, who is entering the final year of his contract, balked at Gibbs' overtures and failed to attend the off-season workouts.

Today, Gibbs informed the media that he is "skeptical" that Gardner would return to the team. So, with no one willing to trade a 3rd round pick for Gardner and Gibbs having made public Gardner's unwillingness to return to the team, what should the 'Skins do?

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Cut, cut, cut, if that's his attitude.

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Kill him, cut off his head and put it on a pike as a warning to other malcontents.

No for real I say might as well drop him I don't see trade value and we could use the cap space.

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If we catn get anythign for him dont cut him, hes cheap and has a ton of incentive to procduce this year. its his contract year and wants to get big money to go elsewhere.

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allocate him to Europe and bring in Nathan Black!! lol

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[QUOTE=jrocx69]allocate him to Europe and bring in Nathan Black!! lol[/QUOTE]

LOL...That may be the best idea yet.

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OK....Moss, Jacobs, Patten, Gardener and Brown are our recievers for now.
Does that mean Thrash, McCants and Holiday will be cut?...
They are all big recievers....
Gardener will be the only one with some size left
If Gardener is gone then who will take his place?
Why bring in Holiday? Competition will already be fierce for Gardeners spot.
Remember the Smurfs? Are we going small ball now?
Who do you think will be our starting five?
Forgive my curiosity.

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[QUOTE=aprius]OK....Moss, Jacobs, Patten, Gardener and Brown are our recievers for now.
Does that mean Thrash, McCants and Holiday will be cut?...
They are all big recievers....
Gardener will be the only one with some size left
If Gardener is gone then who will take his place?
Why bring in Holiday? Competition will already be fierce for Gardeners spot.
Remember the Smurfs? Are we going small ball now?
Who do you think will be our starting five?
Forgive my curiosity.[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt that Thrash will be cut, he is way to valuable on special teams. McCants maybe cut but I dont think so either.

IMO, here is our starting WR trio,
Moss, Jacobs, Patten, with Thrash and McCants working in on other packages and Brown may see some time at wide receiver but mostly he and Chad Morton will be our return men...

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Keep Antonio Brown and Chad Morton?

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]I highly doubt that Thrash will be cut, he is way to valuable on special teams. McCants maybe cut but I dont think so either.

IMO, here is our starting WR trio,
Moss, Jacobs, Patten, with Thrash and McCants working in on other packages and Brown may see some time at wide receiver but mostly he and Chad Morton will be our return men...[/QUOTE]

Morton is gone...
Brown is out in your scenario because usually we keep 5 recievers....

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[QUOTE=aprius]Morton is gone...
Brown is out in your scenario because usually we keep 5 recievers....[/QUOTE]
Morton maybe gone come June 1st, but as of now he is still on the team, and as for Brown I am willing to bet that he will be our main return man next year. I highly doubt that Gibbs will use Moss only because of the contract he just signed. Moss is going to be our new #1 wr. We may only carry 5 recievers but like I said I am willing to bet that Brown will be our return man.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]If we catn get anythign for him dont cut him, hes cheap and has a ton of incentive to procduce this year. its his contract year and wants to get big money to go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]


I agree, I wouldn't reward him for being a no show when mandatory camp starts, I would start fining him the max every day he's out, and let him know we are content to allow him to sit the bench for the season driving his market value down from inactivity. He want's out then he does everything he can to see we can't recoupe so much as a 3rd rd draft pick, I would take the bull by the horns and in so doing send a message to anyone else who want's to play games.

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So will it be Moss, Patten, Jacobs, Brown and Thrash with Gardener, McCants and all UDFA's cut? like I said...we usually keep 5 recievers...And I was asking about our roster after training camp

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I still dont see us cutting McCants, but that is just me.

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If things can't be smoothed over with Gardner just cut him and save the $2M.

This thing about needing a big WR is overrated anyway. What good did he do us the last few years??

Production is the key, not size.

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Anyone think that Moss will be sharing return duties?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]This thing about needing a big WR is overrated anyway. What good did he do us the last few years??

Production is the key, not size.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, and if anybody really thinks we NEED a big WR, we have one in McCants. Gardner is completely useless at this point.

My solution: Keyshawn him ala John Gruden. Don't cut him and let him re-sign with another team, don't trade him for essentially nothing, just tell him to stay home. Send a message.

Of course I would support cutting him if we can actually use his cap space to sign someone else........but I don't see us needing it right now.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Anyone think that Moss will be sharing return duties?[/QUOTE]

I really doubt Gibbs would go for it unless it's a critical game or situation.

He's too fragile and too important to our WR corps to risk on returns.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]Agreed, and if anybody really thinks we NEED a big WR, we have one in McCants. Gardner is completely useless at this point.

My solution: Keyshawn him ala John Gruden. Don't cut him and let him re-sign with another team, don't trade him for essentially nothing, just tell him to stay home. Send a message.

Of course I would support cutting him if we can actually use his cap space to sign someone else........but I don't see us needing it right now.[/QUOTE]

We need his cap space to sign our rookies, which include two first-rounders. We could make room by cutting Barrow, Hall, Morton, or Gardner after June 1.

I think you can take it to the bank that Gibbs will cut Gardner after June 1. He's not all about screwing players over to send a message. He likes to let them go on to find other jobs, and do what's best for their careers. When he does that, it shows the players still on the team that Joe Gibbs is a man of his word and he's going to be honest and respectful, and treat you like a man. That goes a long way in gaining respect in the locker room, it's one of the biggest ways that Gibbs is able to unify the team so well.

He won't keep Gardner against his wishes. He'll cut him, take the cap room, and let Rod go do what he wants to do.

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I say cut him, and move on. He doesn't want to be here so let him go. I definitely won't miss him.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I really doubt Gibbs would go for it unless it's a critical game or situation.

He's too fragile and too important to our WR corps to risk on returns.[/QUOTE]

True. I always forget about Brown. I hope Moss doesn't get hit TOO hard this year. I also forgot how fragile he was. Hopefully he'll just go deep and not have to worry about going over the middle...

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]True. I always forget about Brown. I hope Moss doesn't get hit TOO hard this year. I also forgot how fragile he was. Hopefully he'll just go deep and not have to worry about going over the middle...[/QUOTE]

See, I wonder if that's a misconception. Moss has been fragile in the past because of hamstring issues, not really because of hits he's taken. It's not like he's had injuries because he's been leveled while going over the middle, he has missed games because of pulled and strained hamstrings.

When you have bad hamstrings and they're sore, you might appear to be tentative while going over the middle because your legs hurt, and because you can't run in there with the same vigor you usually do.

I'm going to give him a chance to prove that he can go over the middle fearlessly. If his hamstrings are healthy and he starts pulling a Todd Pinkston in the middle of the field, then me and him are going to have words. But until I see that I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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If I remember correctly, I remember him being a little Pinkstonesque. My memory today is shaky at best because of Cinco de Mayo last night, BUT I do remember him being a little skiddish going over the middle.

I'm definitely going to give him a chance, because some people do complete 180s for the right team and coach.

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Cutting Gardner would be stupid. The only reason Gardner was not traded was that the Redskins wanted a 3rd round pick for him and he is not worth that much. Had the Redskins been willing to accept a 4th round pick 2 months ago he would already be traded. The skins need to lower their demands and trade him. I would rather have a 4th round pick then nothing. If no trade is available I would let him hold out before cutting him.

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[QUOTE=celts32]Cutting Gardner would be stupid. The only reason Gardner was not traded was that the Redskins wanted a 3rd round pick for him and he is not worth that much. Had the Redskins been willing to accept a 4th round pick 2 months ago he would already be traded. The skins need to lower their demands and trade him. I would rather have a 4th round pick then nothing. If no trade is available I would let him hold out before cutting him.[/QUOTE]

This is a good point because I think we'd get the same cap relief whether we cut him or traded him after June 1. Might as well get something for him even if it's a 7th rounder in the 2012 draft, just get something.

I disagree that if we can't trade him we should keep him around though. Cut him and let him go. It would be stupid in light of the team's rejection of 4th and 5th round picks before the draft, but cutting him would be better than keeping a disgruntled player just to prove a point.

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Gardner wasn't traded 'cause his demands for a contract were rediculous. I don't think It was because teams didn't want to give up a 3rd rounder.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]This is a good point because I think we'd get the same cap relief whether we cut him or traded him after June 1. Might as well get something for him even if it's a 7th rounder in the 2012 draft, just get something.

I disagree that if we can't trade him we should keep him around though. Cut him and let him go. It would be stupid in light of the team's rejection of 4th and 5th round picks before the draft, but cutting him would be better than keeping a disgruntled player just to prove a point.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Gardner would sit out in a contract year and if proves to be a distraction he will only lower his value in the off season. He may actually play well this year since nothing motivates these guys more than money. The best case scenario is still to trade him for a 4th round pick and turn the page on the Rod Gardner era. I just can't cut a player that people had interest in trading for a couple months ago.

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Gardner has seen obviously his worth in other teams' eyes and apparently to those teams, Gardner is not worth a third round draft pick.

So yeah, if you can get something out of him, trade him. Keep him IF he is willing to work with the team for a year, but Gardner has not showed any signs of being agreeable.

So, with Gardner not willing to work with Gibbs, you have to cut him.

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let him go and then wait til he comes across the middle against the hammer(36)
then we can say na na nana hay hay hay goodbye!!!!!!1

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[QUOTE=dirtbag2112]Gardner wasn't traded 'cause his demands for a contract were rediculous. I don't think It was because teams didn't want to give up a 3rd rounder.[/QUOTE]

There was no team willing to give up a 3rd round draft choice for Gardner. They should have taken a 4th and been done with it.

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It's not as easy saying Gardner wasn't dealt simply because the Skins wouldn't settle for less than a 3rd round pick, Gardner is looking for a contract extension as well and that definitely threw a wrench in the works.

Probably a smart move by Gardner when you think about it. He'll likely be released and then he can control where he goes.

It's tough to trade a middle of the road player especially when he only has 1 year left on his current deal, and on top of that the likelihood he'll be released outright is so great.

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Other teams were willing to trade for Gardner, provided he would be willing to extend his deal. Gardner wants to let his deal play out, so he can sign a contract based on stats in an offense that (presumably) would showcase his 'talents" better than ours would. In other words, Gardner for 3 or 4 years is worth a third round pick, Gardner for one year is not.

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Send him a small screen TV and sit at home....no seriously though, give him his walking papers and if there were bonuses that are suppose to be paid to him they should ask that he returned it.

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i read somewhere that he had the nick name 50/50. to me that means throw him him the ball and there's a 50/50 chance he will catch it.just cut'em and move on this is a team, he's a playboy who plays around on week nights but not on sundays.