Portis, Champ, and Smoot
 

Tonite at the Wizards game 4 against the Heat, where we lost to the best team in the Eastern Conference (Congratulations guys on a landmark season, building a great foundation for the future), they showed Champ, Portis, and Smoot hanging out together. Champ Bailey got a loud boo from the crowd. Definetely a funny site.

Funniest thing was on the "kiss me" cam promotion, where they zoom in on couples to kiss on the jumbo-tron, they zeroed in on Champ and G-Wiz, the mascot, and G-Wiz jumped on him.

Just thought you guys should know.

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I saw the three of them when they pointed them out, but the kiss me thing sounds halarious. I didnt watch the entire game, but did they make note of Smoot at all? I know the first time they just pointed out Bailey and Portis.

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Portis defiently can compete with Neon on his snappy outfit. Think he wanted to be noticed? Thought that stuff went out in the 70's. And hanging with 2 guys who we thought wanted to be Redskins for life, lame. Did they boo Smoot?

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Smoot and Bailey can go %$#$#^$ themselves... I was a huge Smoot fan but he showed me nothing in the offseason. He went to a team who alwyas has problems after we got Gibbs back and started rebuilding??? He is super lame...

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[QUOTE=RedskinsJunkie]Smoot and Bailey can go %$#$#^$ themselves... I was a huge Smoot fan but he showed me nothing in the offseason. He went to a team who alwyas has problems after we got Gibbs back and started rebuilding??? He is super lame...[/QUOTE]

I definetely wish Smoot resigned with us after laying his heart out on the line. It hurt to lose him. However, the Vikings being a team who always has problems... over the last 5 years, at least they have had an overall winning record. And one of there biggest problems is now on the Raiders. The Vikings signed some marquis FA's for their defense which brings mixed reactions. I believe the Vikings will not improve their defense the way many expect them to. It is tough to mold your defense with so many new, middle-big-name free agents. What do you guys think?

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Smoot was a free agent, Gibbs used skewed logic to chase him out of town, therefore, we lost him. The Vikes gave him a more frontloaded contract worth a bit more (which means he'll actually see more cash) than what we offered him.

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players are people. Fans forget that often. they probraly were friends and will continue to be friends. The players also probraly love the dc area and dc fans so they often come back. the business side of football is what makes turns heroes into villians, when like all people they're just trying to get the best value for their services. Smoot and Bailey are most likely Wizards fans, while we all know portis is a heat fan. go figure

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Exactly, people act like these guys should cut ties with each other when they change teams? Please. They make friendships in Washington and it doesn't turn into what we like to turn it into.

Do I like the way Champ left? No. But in all -- who cares, we have Portis.

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It's a show me the money type of business. Why should fans have any animosity towards a player who leaves is beyond me. Smoot did what was best for him. We all know the Redskins do what's best for them all the fucking time. I still have love for Champ. I seriously don't think anything he said about the team was nasty in nature. Now the question I have is Portis hanging out with Champ or Smoot?

All NBA teams seems to do the Kiss thing. I was at a Sonics game two months ago and they were showing couples on the Jumbo screen and egged them on to Kiss. They had this one "couple" who they showed on the screen and the woman would not kiss the bloke. Just down right refused and shook her head in disgust. The crowd booed the hell out of her and finally she caved in and gave him a quick kiss on the cheeks. The crowd continued to boo her for the flaky kiss. Funny shit.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Smoot was a free agent, Gibbs used skewed logic to chase him out of town, therefore, we lost him. The Vikes gave him a more frontloaded contract worth a bit more (which means he'll actually see more cash) than what we offered him.[/QUOTE]

Any chance you get to take a shot at Gibbs eh Daseal? How did he chase him out?

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Gibbs said Smoot was one of the core guys. I read nothing about him not liking Smoot. What about a guy like Brady? He could have milked the Patriots for more $$$ but he did the right thing for the team. Smoot sould have done the same. The money wasn't all that different.

As for Champ, I kind of understand why he left... The team was in Turmoil every year and the turnover was ridiculous, but Smoot saw what the team could do under Gibbs and Williams...

As for the Vikes, yes they have major issues all of the time....
A. Ownership, who is it going to be?
B. Scalping any Superbowl tix anyone???
C. The original Whizzinator gaffe?
D. Losing Moss might help the locker room but he is a major player.
E. Current ownership saying that Tice was about to get fired

And it probably goes on from there...

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The total number wasn't much different on Smoot's contract, but the amount of cash he was going to actually see was a totally different story.

Gibbs said he was a core guy, yet said that since he didn't play as well as Springs, he didn't deserve more money than him. Sorry, but that doesn't work in today's NFL. Should we go out and give Marcus Washington a payraise because he outperformed Arrington? Was Samuels the best lineman last year, no. However we had no gripe giving him one of the most massive contracts in Redskins history. He said that, but didn't walk the walk with other guys. Also, Smoot doesn't have any questions about his durability, and has been here thick and thin through this team. In my opinion, that makes him worth more than Springs.

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You also forgot F, Redskins. Consistant Contender for a playoff bid.

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In my opinion, Smoot is overrated. Althoug he may have been a decent cover corner for the Redskins, he was too frail to be a force in the run defense. To me it seemed that everytime he threw himself at a running back, he got injured. Smoot is 5'11'' 174; Carlos Rogers is 6'0'' 198. Both seem to have the same speed, yet Rogers is a much more physical athlete. I think the front office did the right thing in letting Smoot walk rather than paying him something he was not worth. The Front Office disappointed me in not matching Antonio Pierce's offer from the Giants. He seemed to understand Greg Williams' defense and had everyone playing and reacting to the right spots. Athletically, Pierce was not that gifted (UFA); mentally he was brilliant this let both him and his team overcome any lack of athletcism. We have a potential to fill his void with someone on the roster who is more gifted than Pierce athletically, but the question remains whether or not we will be able to replace his mental skills. I guess the front office felt they could get somebody to replace Pierce' abilities at a much more bargain value and not have to give him a contract that was worth more than Marcus Washington's. Being skins fans, we hope it plays out well for the defense and the team.

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Time will tell if letting Smoot and Pierce walk was the right move. Financially, it would have made things really tight down the road if we brought both of them back. Rogers could prove to be a better fit in this D with his physical style, and we seem to have good depth at LB.

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if you guys remember alot of teams passed on smoot during his draft , the skins finally took him in the 2nd round (i think) smoot came in with a chip on his shoulder and said how happy he was that the skins took a chance on him. he talked and talked about how much he loved the skins and the fans then when his contract expires he bolts to the vikes for a LITTLE extra money. too me, that shows very little class on the part of smoot. he was the # 2 cb behind champ and then was the # 2 cb behind springs. he should not have been paid a penny more than springs but all is well, the skins now have a better cb in carlos rogers.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan1982]In my opinion, Smoot is overrated. Althoug he may have been a decent cover corner for the Redskins, he was too frail to be a force in the run defense. To me it seemed that everytime he threw himself at a running back, he got injured. Smoot is 5'11'' 174; Carlos Rogers is 6'0'' 198. Both seem to have the same speed, yet Rogers is a much more physical athlete. I think the front office did the right thing in letting Smoot walk rather than paying him something he was not worth. The Front Office disappointed me in not matching Antonio Pierce's offer from the Giants. He seemed to understand Greg Williams' defense and had everyone playing and reacting to the right spots. Athletically, Pierce was not that gifted (UFA); mentally he was brilliant this let both him and his team overcome any lack of athletcism. We have a potential to fill his void with someone on the roster who is more gifted than Pierce athletically, but the question remains whether or not we will be able to replace his mental skills. I guess the front office felt they could get somebody to replace Pierce' abilities at a much more bargain value and not have to give him a contract that was worth more than Marcus Washington's. Being skins fans, we hope it plays out well for the defense and the team.[/QUOTE]


nice post. welcome to the board !

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smoot left for more money plain and simple, i can't defend someone that does that, do i hate him? no i just don't like what he did, do i hate champ? yes. Smoot was a real d bag for leaving really a d bag. I don't care that the contract was front loaded or what ever if he really cared for the fans he would stick w/ the team. I don't wan't to hear what we would do in his situation, none of us were ever were in that situation so none of us knows what we would do. but i can look at examples, Tom brady as was said took less money, actually less money to stay with his team, yes they were a super bowl team but still, Randy Moss, yes thee randy moss pushed back the amount of money he was getting in the beginning(front loaded) of his contract to the later years(end loaded) so his NEW! team could get more players. Clearly in my eyes smoot is faulty here, in no way can we take shots at gibbs.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan1982]In my opinion, Smoot is overrated. Althoug he may have been a decent cover corner for the Redskins, he was too frail to be a force in the run defense. To me it seemed that everytime he threw himself at a running back, he got injured. Smoot is 5'11'' 174; Carlos Rogers is 6'0'' 198. Both seem to have the same speed, yet Rogers is a much more physical athlete. I think the front office did the right thing in letting Smoot walk rather than paying him something he was not worth. The Front Office disappointed me in not matching Antonio Pierce's offer from the Giants. He seemed to understand Greg Williams' defense and had everyone playing and reacting to the right spots. Athletically, Pierce was not that gifted (UFA); mentally he was brilliant this let both him and his team overcome any lack of athletcism. We have a potential to fill his void with someone on the roster who is more gifted than Pierce athletically, but the question remains whether or not we will be able to replace his mental skills. I guess the front office felt they could get somebody to replace Pierce' abilities at a much more bargain value and not have to give him a contract that was worth more than Marcus Washington's. Being skins fans, we hope it plays out well for the defense and the team.[/QUOTE]
welcome, HTTR

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I think we're going to end up paying Rodgers a lot more than we'd owe Smoot in the near future.

And it wasn't "a little more cash" that sent Smoot walking. The contracts were near the same, but from the rumored structures Smoot gets a lot more from MN.

Yes, he left for more money. Welcome to the NFL. These guys aren't Redskins fans, very few of them are. They are mercenaries and that goes for nearly everyone. I love how everyone touted Coles as a "Gibbs guy" and the perfect Redskin, now everyone hates him because he didn't like where the organization was headed.

The problem is this: we can't keep giving up our home grown players to spend 1st round choices to get (although more physically talented) unproven players at positions of need. Think of the options we would of had at the #9 pick with BMW available and no need for CB. We could have probably made a killing in a trade, or gotten a good WR.

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when your talking 10 mil bonus and 26 mil contract vs. 10 mil bonus and 30 mil contract. thats a little more cash. i'm just giving examples , i don't know the exact numbers but come on a few mil dollers. he's a freakin millionare regardless of if he stays or goes. he loved the skins ( my ass ) he was money hungry.

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The problem was all of the 26M was at the end of his contract, where as the 30M was at the begining of his contract. It's all about the structure.

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what about the 10 mil bonus, fred new the skins were in cap trouble and couldn't front load the 26 portion. thats were the loyalty part should have come into play from fred.

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Okay, I know this is going to be a shock to you, but we're a perenial loser. That's not fun. So you're telling me he can get more moeny and go play for a team that went to the playoffs last year? You're telling me he didn't grow up a Redskins fan? He doesn't have the loyalty we have? I guarantee that patriots would be a different story if they weren't winning Super Bowls. The Eagles are having people upset over money (not just TO, Cory Simon, ETC) and they've been winning a lot lately. Just how the game is.

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yea and the vikes were awsome. come on, he went from the #1 d in the nfc to a very crappy d. he left for money , thats the way the game is. the patriots are the exeption. the eagles lost just as many or more players than the skins this off season.

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A very crappy, totally revised D. Let's not forget they lost their best corner for most of the year, I think the Vikings will be a good defensive team and more physical in the offensive game (though they still need a back)

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It's obvious that Rodgers will be a more solid CB than Smoot. He actually has similiar talent and athleticism of Bailey without the attitude or confidence. :oink:

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daseal don't you ever have anything positive to say about the redskins?

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Smoot left for the money.

I believe he did want to stay with the Redskins, but only at the right price.

Another team came along and offered him more than the Skins were willing to pay, simple as that.

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[QUOTE=BossHog]It's obvious that Rodgers will be a more solid CB than Smoot. He actually has similiar talent and athleticism of Bailey without the attitude or confidence. :oink:[/QUOTE]

How is that obvious? He hasn't proven anything. He was drafted higher and that's it. I don't mind Rodgers, but I don't think it's at all obvious he'll be better than Smoot.

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[QUOTE=heybigstar]Tonite at the Wizards game 4 against the Heat, where we lost to the best team in the Eastern Conference (Congratulations guys on a landmark season, building a great foundation for the future), they showed Champ, Portis, and Smoot hanging out together. Champ Bailey got a loud boo from the crowd. Definetely a funny site.

Funniest thing was on the "kiss me" cam promotion, where they zoom in on couples to kiss on the jumbo-tron, they zeroed in on Champ and G-Wiz, the mascot, and G-Wiz jumped on him.

Just thought you guys should know.[/QUOTE]

I would've booed not only Champ but Smoot too..........back your bags and leave town already Smoot.....On NFL Network, Vikings cam that it was quiet without Randy Moss.....but all the Viking players predicted that SMOOT would fill the void.................

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fred smoot is supposed to appear on vikings cam on nfl total access on thursday for anyone who wants to watch.

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[QUOTE=mooby]daseal don't you ever have anything positive to say about the redskins?[/QUOTE]

Daseal is being real. No offense to sportscurmedgeon, but I like the fact that Daseal doesn't say negative things for the sake of saying them. It's always a good idea to have another perspective to compare and base opinions on. That's what makes this site great. If we all were spouting puppy dogs and rainbows, we would be writers over at redskins.com.

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It's amazing that all you guys don't have NFL jobs, seeing as how you're all geniuses when it comes to running an NFL franchise.

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[QUOTE=cpayne5]It's amazing that all you guys don't have NFL jobs, seeing as how you're all geniuses when it comes to running an NFL franchise.[/QUOTE]

That seems unneccesarily harsh, not like you at all cpayne. what's up?

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[QUOTE=Daseal]The total number wasn't much different on Smoot's contract, but the amount of cash he was going to actually see was a totally different story.

Gibbs said he was a core guy, yet said that since he didn't play as well as Springs, he didn't deserve more money than him. Sorry, but that doesn't work in today's NFL. Should we go out and give Marcus Washington a payraise because he outperformed Arrington? Was Samuels the best lineman last year, no. However we had no gripe giving him one of the most massive contracts in Redskins history. He said that, but didn't walk the walk with other guys. Also, Smoot doesn't have any questions about his durability, and has been here thick and thin through this team. In my opinion, that makes him worth more than Springs.[/QUOTE]You realy can't use the Samuels example in your argument he already had a huge contract before Gibbs was here. They just restructured his deal to help with cap space. I don't have a problem with a player leaveing for more money in todays NFL but would perfer not loosing one. What would one of use do if we had been with a company for a long time and were offered the same job with another company for more money?

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Hey, we complained about the Redskins not being fiscally responsible in the past. The team is trying to be more responsible with money. You're gonna lose a "star" player from time to time. Can't have it both ways.

Smoot was loved (and still is) by 'Skins fans because he did have a pretty good season this year and he had a great personality. Gibbs did think of Smoot as being a core Redskin. But, so what? We lost Bailey - clearly the top CB in the league, and our defense improved. We can't give every player we like the exact contract he wants - there comes a time when you draw the line.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Okay, I know this is going to be a shock to you, but we're a perenial loser. That's not fun. So you're telling me he can get more moeny and go play for a team that went to the playoffs last year? You're telling me he didn't grow up a Redskins fan? He doesn't have the loyalty we have? I guarantee that patriots would be a different story if they weren't winning Super Bowls. The Eagles are having people upset over money (not just TO, Cory Simon, ETC) and they've been winning a lot lately. Just how the game is.[/QUOTE]

They back door the playoffs every year, and now we have gibbs back. He is trying to turn the team around and only time will tell... but I can tell you this,

Mike Tice Sucks and Minnesota might have gotten better this off season but who knows...

No way will he get closer to a SB there than here...