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First cuts are two days away, who you got making the final roster?


QB - Griffin, Cousins, McCoy

OL - Williams, Lavuao, Lichtensteiger, Scherff, Moses, Long, Compton, Kouandjio, Cofield

RB - Morris, Jones, Thompson, Young

WR - Garcon, Jackson, Roberts, Grant, Crowder, Spencer

TE - Reed, Hamm, Carrier


DL - Hatcher, Knighton, Paea, Jean-Francois, Baker, Golston, Kearse

OLB - Kerrigan, Smith, Murphy, Jeffcoat

ILB - Robinson, Riley, Compton, Spaight, Plummer

CB - Culliver, Hall, Amerson, Rogers

S - Goldson, Ihenacho, Johnson, Robinson, Jarrett


P - Way

K - Forbath

LS - Sundberg

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[quote=SirLK26;1118262]First cuts are two days away, who you got making the final roster?


QB - Griffin, Cousins, McCoy

OL - Williams, Lavuao, Lichtensteiger, Scherff, Moses, Long, Compton, Kouandjio, Cofield

RB - Morris, Jones, Thompson, Young

WR - Garcon, Jackson, Roberts, Grant, Crowder, Spencer

TE - Reed, Hamm, Carrier


DL - Hatcher, Knighton, Paea, Jean-Francois, Baker, Golston, Kearse

OLB - Kerrigan, Smith, Murphy, Jeffcoat

ILB - Robinson, Riley, Compton, Spaight, Plummer

CB - Culliver, Hall, Amerson, Rogers

S - Goldson, Ihenacho, Johnson, Robinson, Jarrett


P - Way

K - Forbath

LS - Sundberg[/quote]

Who do you have as the back-up C?

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I don't see Breeland on your list.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1118263]Who do you have as the back-up C?[/quote]

Long. He got some reps there this offseason, and if I kept LeRibeus or Reiter as backup centers Compton would be the only backup tackle. Went with Cofield instead.

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I would try to trade Roberts to Carolina who are thin at the WR position and add Ross to the roster.

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Breeland is off the roster Week 1 due to his suspension. He'll be back Week 2.

I like the idea of trading Roberts away, but who takes his place? Grant's more of an outside receiver, and is Crowder ready?

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[url]https://twitter.com/Rich_TandlerCSN/status/638006252333854721[/url]

Tandler sums it up.

I don't think Hamm will make the final cut.

Based on the metrics over the course of the season and next year's cap, would we be better cutting Griffin and keeping Ty Long as a kick off specialist?

Or perhaps somebody else?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1118276][url]https://twitter.com/Rich_TandlerCSN/status/638006252333854721[/url]

Tandler sums it up.

I don't think Hamm will make the final cut.

Based on the metrics over the course of the season and next year's cap, would we be better cutting Griffin and keeping Ty Long as a kick off specialist?

Or perhaps somebody else?[/quote]

the points differential worst to first on kickoffs is 23 points/year (if you think FO's analysis is accurate). we were -8.4 on kickoffs, best was +10.4 (worst -12.6) - those numbers are points (based on average scoring chance of a drive based on starting field position).

if we're never starting rgiii, we might want to jettison him and his drama (no one's going to trade for him at 16m/year), but in the long run, we're not winning anything this year, so it doesn't really matter.

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do we think WR Ross will make the team? I'd like to see it happen

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I really don't think Griffin will be on the roster day 1...

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Keep Roberts he's a solid 3 for another yr. Then crowder can take it

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1118300]Keep Roberts he's a solid 3 for another yr. Then crowder can take it[/quote]

Crowder is ready in my opinion, so is Grant. Get some salary cap space and add Ross to the roster.

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Metrics did not win out. Ty Long gone:

[url]https://twitter.com/CHICKatCSN/status/638102046118440960[/url]

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[quote=Chico23231;1118297]do we think WR Ross will make the team? I'd like to see it happen[/quote]

I like Ross, but I don't see how. I doubt they keep more than 6 receivers and Spencer is more valuable on special teams.

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I really want to see Griffin get cut, but I dunno if they do it. Gotta cut or trade roberts, doesn't matter if Crowder is ready, Roberts makes too many mistakes.

Amerson could get cut, he has to be close.

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i think keim said cutting griffin is a 6.7m cap hit (and we have 8.6m free). i doubt we let him play though or find a trade with the option already attached.

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[quote=That Guy;1118368]i think keim said cutting griffin is a 6.7m cap hit (and we have 8.6m free). i doubt we let him play though or find a trade with the option already attached.[/quote]

Cutting Griffin would cost us the exact same as if he was on the roster. There is no additional hit to be had. His contract is guaranteed so its the same either way. The cap hit is the extra person added to the 53 that wouldnt have normally made the team since there would be one less roster spot (the one that RG3 would have).

If his cap hit for this year is 6.7 mil (which sounds about right but I honestly dont know the exact number), then he costs 6.7 mil if he is on the roster. If we cut him, he still counts 6.7 mil against the cap due to his contract being guaranteed. There is no extra hit to our cap. Its just whether that salary is for a roster player or we are paying it to someone no longer on the roster (aka dead money).

So if we have 8.6 mil available on our cap now, and we cut Griffin. Then we have 8.6 mil still available with one more roster spot to pay for.

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[quote=Skinzman;1118370]Cutting Griffin would cost us the exact same as if he was on the roster. There is no additional hit to be had. His contract is guaranteed so its the same either way. The cap hit is the extra person added to the 53 that wouldnt have normally made the team since there would be one less roster spot (the one that RG3 would have).

If his cap hit for this year is 6.7 mil (which sounds about right but I honestly dont know the exact number), then he costs 6.7 mil if he is on the roster. If we cut him, he still counts 6.7 mil against the cap due to his contract being guaranteed. There is no extra hit to our cap. Its just whether that salary is for a roster player or we are paying it to someone no longer on the roster (aka dead money).

So if we have 8.6 mil available on our cap now, and we cut Griffin. Then we have 8.6 mil still available with one more roster spot to pay for.[/quote]

8.6 - 6.7 = 1.9m

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[quote=That Guy;1118372]8.6 - 6.7 = 1.9m[/quote]

Yes, yes it does... Also... 13 - 9 = 4

Who cares.

The 6.7 mil figure is already apart of the cap. You dont add a second 6.7 mil if he gets cut. That would mean his cap hit this year would be 13.4 mil if they added a second one to it. The remaining cap space that we have already includes his cap hit this year.

Cutting him doesnt change the cap hit since its guaranteed and already figured into the remaining cap number. It only means we pay that plus the salary of whoever is added to the roster that takes his roster spot. Which most likely would be someone making league minimum or close to it seeing as that would be the 53rd player on the roster that would have gotten cut had we kept him.

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[quote=That Guy;1118372]8.6 - 6.7 = 1.9m[/quote]

Even without words you managed to come off as condescending. I'm impressed..

You're not seeing the whole picture. The 6.7 you're referring to is guaranteed, meaning it's ALREADY INCLUDED in our total cap. They've already subtracted it from the budget. It's a sunk cost no matter what.

The point is now whoever we sign is eating straight out of that total 8.6mil cap we have left, which is a "hit."

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So far so good. :D

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[quote=Skinzman;1118374]Yes, yes it does... Also... 13 - 9 = 4

Who cares.

The 6.7 mil figure is already apart of the cap. You dont add a second 6.7 mil if he gets cut. That would mean his cap hit this year would be 13.4 mil if they added a second one to it. The remaining cap space that we have already includes his cap hit this year.

Cutting him doesnt change the cap hit since its guaranteed and already figured into the remaining cap number. It only means we pay that plus the salary of whoever is added to the roster that takes his roster spot. Which most likely would be someone making league minimum or close to it seeing as that would be the 53rd player on the roster that would have gotten cut had we kept him.[/quote]

maybe i didn't articulate, but you said we'd have 8.6m without griffin, and that's wrong. we'd have 1.9m (according to keim). we'd also have 1.9m with him since his 2015 money is guaranteed.

If i'm misquoting or misunderstanding him, please let me know.

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[quote=That Guy;1118558]maybe i didn't articulate, but you said we'd have 8.6m without griffin, and that's wrong. we'd have 1.9m (according to keim). we'd also have 1.9m with him since his 2015 money is guaranteed.

If i'm misquoting or misunderstanding him, please let me know.[/quote]

The 8.6 mil figure is from your post where you said his cap hit then put the 8.6 mil in parenthesis as to what we have remaining. If we have 8.6 mil in cap space now, then nothing changes by cutting him since his money is guaranteed and already figured into the cap space. The remaining cap space we have now will already include his salary into it. The money goes from being money paid to a player on the roster to dead money, but there is no additional hit for him.

The only change to our cap is paying the player that would take his roster spot.

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I would like to see these three young players make the team: Justin Rogers, Jackson Jeffcoat, and Kyshoen Jarrett.

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I think Jarrett is close to a lock and that Rogers and Jeffcoat are likely to make the cut as well.

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Love to see Jeffcoat get there......

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There is a chance that 7 of this years draft class will make the team. When was the last time we have this many rookies make the team?

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1118959]There is a chance that 7 of this years draft class will make the team. When was the last time we have this many rookies make the team?[/quote]

when vinny forced zorn to keep all his draft picks.

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QB: Kirk, Colt, Bob (3)

RB: Morris, Jones, Thompson (3)

FB: Young (1)

WR: Jackson, Garcon, Roberts, Crowder, Grant, Spencer (6)

TE: Reed, Carrier, Hamm (3)

OL: Williams, Scherff, Lichtensteiger, Long, Moses, Compton, Luavao, LeRebius, Kuoandijo (9)

DL: Hatcher, Knighton, Paea, RJF, Baker, Golston, Kearse (7)

OLB: Kerrigan, Smith, Murphy, Jeffcoat (4)

MLB: Robinson, Riley, Compton, Spaight (4)

CB: Culliver, Hall, Breeland, Amerson, Rogers (5)

S: Goldson, Ihenacho, Johnson, Robinson, Jarret (5)

K: Forbath
P: Way
LS: Sundberg (3)

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[quote=That Guy;1118372]8.6 - 6.7 = 1.9m[/quote]

Cutting Griffin doesn't cost us or save us any cap room. We currently have X million in salary cap space, and that figure included Robert's guaranteed salary. If we keep him, our salary cap space is still X million. If we cut him, our salary cap space is still X million. I don't think you grasp that.

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/cap/]Washington Redskins 2015 Salary Cap Table | Spotrac[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1118998]Cutting Griffin doesn't cost us or save us any cap room. We currently have X million in salary cap space, and that figure included Robert's guaranteed salary. If we keep him, our salary cap space is still X million. If we cut him, our salary cap space is still X million. I don't think you grasp that.

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/cap/]Washington Redskins 2015 Salary Cap Table | Spotrac[/url][/quote]

you're responding to something from 4 days ago that's already been clarified twice, including a later post by me, so yes, i grasp that.

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[quote=That Guy;1119002]you're responding to something from 4 days ago that's already been clarified twice, including a later post by me, so yes, i grasp that.[/quote]


Sorry...was in between watching game and drafting fantasy football to read the rest.

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Def hope.jeffcoat and.Ross make.the.team... That is all.

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[quote=Meks;1119011]Def hope.jeffcoat and.Ross make.the.team... That is all.[/quote]

I think Spencer's teams play keeps him on the roster

That 6th WR spot is more of a special teams spot

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Either Roberts or Ross get traded, could they have been showcasing Ross? I say trade Roberts if possible and gain some cap space.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1119015]Either Roberts or Ross get traded, could they have been showcasing Ross? I say trade Roberts if possible and gain some cap space.[/quote]

Roberts would actually cost us cap space if we were to cut or trade him this year. Next year we can move on from him with a savings, but not now.

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Any chance they keep both Spencer and Ross?

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[quote=MrBalls;1119031]Any chance they keep both Spencer and Ross?[/quote]

I'd say next to none. Spencer could go on the practice squad if they keep Ross.

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[url=http://realredskins.com/2015/09/04/bubble-watch-final-version-predicting-the-redskins-53-man-roster/]Bubble watch final version: Predicting the Redskins’ 53-man roster | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

lol at the comments of the people killing Tandler for not keeping Ross on his final roster.

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[quote=Chico23231;1119033][url=http://realredskins.com/2015/09/04/bubble-watch-final-version-predicting-the-redskins-53-man-roster/]Bubble watch final version: Predicting the Redskins’ 53-man roster | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

lol at the comments of the people killing Tandler for not keeping Ross on his final roster.[/quote]

Comments like those are generally why I would never be a sports journalist. It has to be soul crushing.