Skins trade for Thrash?
 

I live in Philly and a local notable reporter here is saying that the Eagles will trade the Skins for a 6th round pick within the next 36 hours.

Obviously, Gibbs is more of an expert than anyone of us, but this move really confuses me. We obviously have a crowded WR corp (Coles, Gardner, McCants, Jacobs, Russell, Cloman, Swayne), which obviously means some big things might happen.

After hearing some others, we may trade Gardner to get possibly a 3rd rounder and keep McCants (who won't cost as much and can be signed to just a 1 year deal). Thrash would be the 3rd WR with Jacobs possibly getting some major playing time. However, whoever turns out to be the 4th WR probably won't play much. Gibbs doesn't usually have 4 WR on the field...

Anything is possible.

I hope not, he stunk it up in Washington before. Give him to the Giants. Make him the new Brian Mitchell... less talented Brian Mitchell.

[QUOTE=Daseal]I hope not, he stunk it up in Washington before. [/QUOTE]

He did no such thing. He is no world class WR but he played hard to earn a spot on the team. I like the guy because he is a hard worker.

He would be a good addition to the special teams unit.

I'd rather keep the 6th round pick and have some semblance of a draft.

So if I'm understanding this right essentially what we're saying here is Bryan Johnson for Thrash (via a 6th round pick), granted BJ doesn't stay in the division

I'd rather Johnson or the pick any day over Thrash

I agree, I think we should keep all the picks we can get our hands on. Even if we can just get a guy to mess around with, he could end up working out. We really dont need thrash, were already stacked at Wide-Out

[QUOTE=skins93]I live in Philly and a local notable reporter here is saying that the Eagles will trade the Skins for a 6th round pick within the next 36 hours.

Obviously, Gibbs is more of an expert than anyone of us, but this move really confuses me. We obviously have a crowded WR corp (Coles, Gardner, McCants, Jacobs, Russell, Cloman, Swayne), which obviously means some big things might happen.

After hearing some others, we may trade Gardner to get possibly a 3rd rounder and keep McCants (who won't cost as much and can be signed to just a 1 year deal). Thrash would be the 3rd WR with Jacobs possibly getting some major playing time. However, whoever turns out to be the 4th WR probably won't play much. Gibbs doesn't usually have 4 WR on the field...[/QUOTE]

So is the reporter actually saying Thrash for a 6th round pick or just that there will be a trade? And is it this year's 6th?

Eagles just got 4 compensatory draft picks
 

According to the official site of the Philidelphia Eagles, they have received 4 compensatory draft picks in the upcoming draft (2- 4th rounders, 2- 7th rounders) boosting their total number of picks to 10. This might dissuade the Eagles from trading Thrash for a 6th rounder. On the bright side, I don't think Thrash would have been a very good addition, since we already have a relatively deep core of wideouts.
I say the 'skins should either use the new pick or trade it to another team in a package with some other player(s) we don't particularly need. Tell me what you think. :thumb:

Well if this trade is true, its one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Thrash, i mean trash. The guy sucks, plus WR is about the one position where we are overloaded. If this is true, then Gibbs has def. shown, that while he is one hell of a coach, he's not much of a GM.

[QUOTE=Winskins]According to the official site of the Philidelphia Eagles, they have received 4 compensatory draft picks in the upcoming draft (2- 4th rounders, 2- 7th rounders) boosting their total number of picks to 10. This might dissuade the Eagles from trading Thrash for a 6th rounder. On the bright side, I don't think Thrash would have been a very good addition, since we already have a relatively deep core of wideouts.
I say the 'skins should either use the new pick or trade it to another team in a package with some other player(s) we don't particularly need. Tell me what you think. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

First of all, Welcome to the Warpath Winskins! Good to have you on board. Tell us a bit more about yourself

I think I'd rather hold on to the pick. Maybe get some cheap diamond in the rough with the 6th pick

Winskins I think you are right. I think he will be cut in june so why give up a draft pick?

[QUOTE=smootsmack]First of all, Welcome to the Warpath Winskins! Good to have you on board. Tell us a bit more about yourself

I think I'd rather hold on to the pick. Maybe get some cheap diamond in the rough with the 6th pick[/QUOTE]

Well I'm a student a UMCP, true skin's fan, and I finally found a website with a lot of good opinions.
Thanks for the welcome smootsmack!

Thrash is a Redskin WOW?????
 

Just when you thought you have seen every thing. In the Wahington Post it said we traded our 5th round pick! Did we real need him that bad? It seem that WR is very nice but maybe that means McCants might not be signed because of cap room?

WTF is going on? Are they going to trade one of our WRs? Maybe they brought him in for special teams? What are his current cap numbers? Maybe they want to suck his brains and find out what the Eagles do? Does god exist? How old is the universe? These are all question that need answers.

That's hilarious, Saden.

Is this a done deal now? I better go check the WP.

Ha ha ha, that was a great post Saden! I'm still laughing

Anyway, I don't get this at all. Anyone want to explain to me how he fits in with McCants, Taylor, Jacobs, and Gardner?

And now besides all the coaches that have come back we've also reacquired Sellers, Raymer, Rasby, Thrash (am I forgetting someone)? Anyone else find that a bit odd?

Smack there is one Head banger Gus Frerotte!!!

I think it's been kicked around here a bit as to the status of gardner? and it sound's like to me as well as what was said in the post that gardner may be on his way out, and gibb's apparently likes MCant's a lot, it would be nice if we could package up gardner and a pick next year and jump back into the first rd. maybe the skin's are thinking along the lines of a lot of us, If you can't make up your mind between taylor or winslow, then don't, get them both, or we may use it on a D-lineman, interesting stuff, I wonder if marty is interested in gardner? he did draft him, and he had pretty good success his rookie year under marty.

Looks like the fifth rounder is a 2005 pick. I like that. If we can trade Trotter for a fourth or fifth round pick, we might just have a real draft on our hands.

We have to trade Rod Gardner now. I wonder if we could get a 2nd or 3rd for him.

The devil called me, he said everything's freezing over down there
 

:confused: This news caught me a bit off guard and I couldn't understand what logic could be behind it at first, but I guess it seems that since Gibbs places a high value on special teams that he wants to get a talented kick/punt returner (maybe he say something he didn't like at training camp). Thrash is a decent receiver and this could fuel some more trade rumors about Rod Gardner, but I guess we'll have to see about that.
By the way, do you think that this will be the end of Chad Morton's career as a Redskin?

[QUOTE=Winskins]By the way, do you think that this will be the end of Chad Morton's career as a Redskin?[/QUOTE]

No ... Morton is a real talent who can be a great return man again in the right system. Gibbs likes depth at key positions. Morton and Thrash give him that. You're right though ... I think this is a special teams move more than anything else.

This is probably one of the dumbest moves I have ever seen. It is cleary evident now that Joe Gibbs has no idea what he's doing in terms for building a team. I said it before and I'll say it again WE NEED A GM. Here we go again pissing away all are draft picks. James Trash, aren't we already loaded at reciever. Yes. And can't we draft a guy who is solid on special teams. Yes. I would never questions Gibb's ability to coach. He is the best of all time. But this is just dumb. And we know Synder can't say no to Gibbs.

I think there is too much invested financially in Morton to put an end to his Redskin career. And if, in fact, Thrash is coming here to solidify our special teams how must that make him feel. One minute he's getting a fat contract to be McNabb's top receiver the next he's signaling for fair catches from Jeff Feagle punts

next thing you know we'll be hearing the Skins have sent a 2007 6th rounder to Miami for Derrius Thompson

The Philadelphia Inquirer is reporting that the deal won't be final until 4 PM Tuesday because the Redskins need time to clear some cap space to accommodate Thrash. I wonder who's going to be cut ... maybe Larry Moore?

Maybe we could get Albert Connel too if he's not in jail!!!! :food-smil

[QUOTE=skins009]This is probably one of the dumbest moves I have ever seen. It is cleary evident now that Joe Gibbs has no idea what he's doing in terms for building a team. I said it before and I'll say it again WE NEED A GM. Here we go again pissing away all are draft picks. James Trash, aren't we already loaded at reciever. Yes. And can't we draft a guy who is solid on special teams. Yes. I would never questions Gibb's ability to coach. He is the best of all time. But this is just dumb. And we know Synder can't say no to Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

You never know man...one of our WR might not be happy and wants a trade or McCants deal isn't a done deal. My guess is they have a plan albeit a twisted plan.

[QUOTE=skins009]This is probably one of the dumbest moves I have ever seen. It is cleary evident now that Joe Gibbs has no idea what he's doing in terms for building a team. I said it before and I'll say it again WE NEED A GM. Here we go again pissing away all are draft picks. James Trash, aren't we already loaded at reciever. Yes. And can't we draft a guy who is solid on special teams. Yes. I would never questions Gibb's ability to coach. He is the best of all time. But this is just dumb. And we know Synder can't say no to Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

I appreciate your willingness to go against the flow of popular opinion ... but I think you're wrong. What may seem dumb to someone who isn't anywhere the nerve center of Redskins Park doesn't seem that dumb to someone who's in the middle building a team, someone using a tried-and-true blueprint for success. This move addresses special teams -- Gibbs' baby -- more than anything else. There will be more trades to come, rest assured.

So far this offseason we've added Portis, Brunnell, Griffin, etc., all of whom fill a critical role in Gibbs' system. I'd say he knows what he's doing.

skins009, are you a closet cowboy fan. have faith in gibbs. he's got 3 rings. how many do you have?

[QUOTE=Ghost]The Philadelphia Inquirer is reporting that the deal won't be final until 4 PM Tuesday because the Redskins need time to clear some cap space to accommodate Thrash. I wonder who's going to be cut ... maybe Larry Moore?[/QUOTE]

Maybe Trung?

Could be Dave Flore. There real is no hope for him to play again. It will be a med buy out deal now or in June!

Well, two things come to mind here.

One: Gardner's days are numbered. Bringing in another receiver and making noises about pying Mcants (and calling him the next Monk!) point to that. The question is what can we get, and how much can we clear on the cap by moving him.

Two: Special teams. Either Gibbs really wants to have two threats, or Morton may be in trouble. What can we get for him, and how much cash can we save? He's pricey, but productive.

Both Gardner and Morton have some value. Maybe we'll package em? And throw in Trotter for good measure? Hmmmm....very interesting.

In the real world trading three cap hits like that for a pick is great for the team pushing them out the door! What teams out there are there that would even look at that deal...players or pick? If you can find it. Make it so!!!!

[QUOTE=JWsleep]Well, two things come to mind here.

One: Gardner's days are numbered. Bringing in another receiver and making noises about pying Mcants (and calling him the next Monk!) point to that. The question is what can we get, and how much can we clear on the cap by moving him.

Two: Special teams. Either Gibbs really wants to have two threats, or Morton may be in trouble. What can we get for him, and how much cash can we save? He's pricey, but productive.

Both Gardner and Morton have some value. Maybe we'll package em? And throw in Trotter for good measure? Hmmmm....very interesting.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%. Maybe Gibbs saw something at minicamp that he felt a need to fix ... perhaps something not right with Chad ... or he could just want depth or Thrash for punts and Chad for KOs. It would be great if we could add a boatload of draft picks as a result of all these moves.

I must once again beg to differ with all you guys. Its is true that gibbs won 3 superbowl rings, but that was coaching. This is something completely different building a team. Which bobby Beathared was a master at. Gibbs is essiantially doing what they did in his first stint. Trying to load up at every position. See mark Brunell, Griffen, Springs, and now Thrash. While they are all good players, we broke the bank for all of them. Severally overpaying for all of them. And while everybody is happy now, just what 2 years, when the cap devil comes. Gibbs doesn't understand the concept of cheap labor. I have no problem with putting a high proyority on special teams, just draft a player to do it. And let me put out another little hint to everybody, when the Skins front office acts completely radical to EVERY other team in the league. its not because they know something nobody else knows. Its because we have a dumb ass owner running the team, who didn't know what he was doing before, and now can't say no to Gibbs.

[QUOTE=skins009]And let me put out another little hint to everybody, when the Skins front office acts completely radical to EVERY other team in the league. its not because they know something nobody else knows. Its because we have a dumb ass owner running the team, who didn't know what he was doing before, and now can't say no to Gibbs.[/QUOTE]

I've been hearing about the salary cap ramifications of Snyder's moves since he bought the team. Remember how adding Bruce Smith, Jeff George and Deion were going to ruin the Redskins' cap? Never happened, did it? Snyder is willing to overpay but not all that money is guaranteed and not all of it counts against the cap. We're lucky to have an owner who's willing to spend. Ask the Bengals and some other teams what it's like to have a cheap owner. They'll tell you it sucks. Regardless, this is Joe Gibbs' team now. And I'll go with him everytime, no matter how many of my fellow fans are exasperated by his personnel moves.

And even if you are right and this does turn out to be a fruitless trade, what's the harm? We lose a 5th round pick in 2005. BFD.

I might have missed it but where did it say this was entirely Gibbs' decision?

Regardless, I think it's important to remember that building a team is a marathon, not a sprint. Sometimes you need see the forest for trees...and other cliches and proverbs.

At this moment, I'd agree that trading for Thrash is an unnecessary move. However, all indications are Jacobs looked strong in minicamp, McCants is about to get a new contract it seems (probably indicative of a no. 2 or 3 receiver, and Coles is Coles. So let's say we add Thrash to bolster our special teams and provide a solid veteran on our receiving core to help tutor Taylor who for all intents and purposes is a rookie and McCants who is still very raw.

So the odd man out is Gardner. He's young, he's already been a 1,000 yard receiver. He doesn't have a significant injury history. I think he'll easily get the team a 3rd round pick. And they can get a 4th for Trotter. What has been the biggest beef with the Redskins offseason? That they're mortgaging their future by giving away all their draft picks. But with Gardner and Trotter trades now you've got a 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th. Plus you've added Washington, Springs, Portis, Brunell, etc.

Yeah it's a lot of "ifs" and "maybes" but isn't that what makes it fun?

i think we'll get at least a fifth round pick for gardner, so that gives us the pick back. plus i think thrash is good value for the fifth round... how soon we forget how productive he can be when he's a number 3 WR.

I'm not saying this particular move is gonna kill us, after all its just a 5th round pick. I just think its clear now that we need a expert running the team, and Gibbs coaching it. I don't think he understands today's nfl from a manangement stand point. Nor should he be expected too, he's a coach.