Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

although he has not heard from the Redskins


they are signing a kicker named Hopkins

Re: Kai reportedly cut
 

Good, his KO were terrible.

RG3 is next; and Gruden better start producing or he will follow.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

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re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

I support this move...Forbath wasnt anything special.

McC not putting up with this garbage

Re: Kai reportedly cut
 

Personally I think that is unfortunate.

I may be mistaken, but I think that Kai was the most accurate kicker in Redskins history.

It, however, seems that the team was sort of determined to get rid of him.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

Idk, at least Kai was consistent on field goals. I hated his kickoffs as much as the next guy but he was our first relatively consistent field goal kicker in a while.

Re: Kai reportedly cut
 

[quote=kct1975;1120642]Personally I think that is unfortunate.

I may be mistaken, but I think that Kai was the most accurate kicker in Redskins history.

It, however, seems that the team was sort of determined to get rid of him.[/quote]

Well his KO was effing garbage and Kai max range for field goal is something like 45 yards. We can do much, much better

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=mooby;1120643]Idk, at least Kai was consistent on field goals. I hated his kickoffs as much as the next guy but he was our first relatively consistent field goal kicker in a while.[/quote]

Not worth it. The yardage we give up on kickoffs is worth more to the other team in terms of expected points than the difference between 75% (assumed dingus off the street) and 80% (Kai) on FGs. Nevermind the FGs that Kai can't even attempt because he doesn't have the leg.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

He was 24-27 on FGs last year, hope the Redskins didn't go out of their way to find trouble.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=Schneed10;1120645]Not worth it. The yardage we give up on kickoffs is worth more to the other team in terms of expected points than the difference between 75% (assumed dingus off the street) and 80% (Kai) on FGs. Nevermind the FGs that Kai can't even attempt because he doesn't have the leg.[/quote]

I figured they did the numbers on this. If our new kicker can hit the same percentage of shots as Kai did and put kickoffs in the endzone this will definitely be an upgrade. I just hope our new guy isn't one of those that has the leg but doesn't have the accuracy.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=Buffalo Bob;1120646]He was 24-27 on FGs last year, hope the Redskins didn't go out of their way to find trouble.[/quote]

Accurate on the kicks he attempted. The trouble is 24-27 fails to measures the kicks he never attempted because Jay knew he didn't have the leg. Were there 3-5 FGs in the 50+ range that Jay just didn't try? It's hard to know, but I'd rather have a K that can get touchbacks and make my 2-minute offense's target the 37 yard line instead of the 30.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=Buffalo Bob;1120646]He was 24-27 on FGs last year, hope the Redskins didn't go out of their way to find trouble.[/quote]

I would agree here. Not sure they should panic and mess around with an inexperienced kicker with a stronger leg. Hope it works out.

Re: Kai reportedly cut
 

In today's NFL, KOs are a critical part of the game. You have to be able to kick out of end zone

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

Important statistical perspective:

[QUOTE]Since the start of the 2012 season, Forbath had made 87.1 percent of his kicks (60-69), ranking him 19th in the NFL over that period. He's 26th in accuracy since the 2013 season (84.3 percent), according to ESPN Stats & Information.[/QUOTE]

So 87% over the last 3 years is only good for 19th in the NFL. These days kickers are way more accurate than they ever were before. Don't go thinking they necessarily threw the baby out with the bathwater here, Kai's supposed strength as a FG kicker isn't really a strength at all.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

Looks knee jerk on the surface but it's really not. He didn't have a strong camp and obviously they've been looking to replace him for a while now.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=Schneed10;1120653]Important statistical perspective:



So 87% over the last 3 years is only good for 19th in the NFL. These days kickers are way more accurate than they ever were before. Don't go thinking they necessarily threw the baby out with the bathwater here, Kai's supposed strength as a FG kicker isn't really a strength at all.[/quote]


I don't think you can take those statistics at face value. A kicker whose home field is a dome, outdoor turf, or grass in a good weather city has an advantage.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

field position matters, and our coverage teams are terrible, so we really need the other guys starting on the 20 every time, it'd eliminate half of our coverage problems.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

I thought Amerson should have been the fall guy long before Kai, but it's good if the message is sent that the status quo of mediocrity is not good enough around here anymore.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

Personally I thought Hocker had a better camp last training camp and the team should have went with him. After all, they did draft him. Now the guy who Hocker beat out at the Saints is now hired to replaced Forbath. Think about that Mickey Mouse shit.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

The Saints were working out kickers last week so let's not anoint Hocker just yet. Plus the competition was close between them.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

If Hopkins can boom them into the end zone every time, I'll take him missing a 40+ FG every now and then.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=SouperMeister;1120681]I thought Amerson should have been the fall guy long before Kai, but it's good if the message is sent that the status quo of mediocrity is not good enough around here anymore.[/quote]

I imagine Amerson is gone once Breeland is back and playing.

re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1120683]Personally I thought Hocker had a better camp last training camp and the team should have went with him. After all, they did draft him. Now the guy who Hocker beat out at the Saints is now hired to replaced Forbath. Think about that Mickey Mouse shit.[/quote]

They may have had different goals (longer distance over accuracy or vice versa). And you know what Forbath brought so maybe you keep him but on a very short leash. Heck we were all glad when Gano left but Carolina has kept him for a while. Kickers move around, and good ones eventually find the right place.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=That Guy;1120663]field position matters, and our coverage teams are terrible, so we really need the other guys starting on the 20 every time, it'd eliminate half of our coverage problems.[/quote]

Yep it is a lot easier to replace one kicker than 10 crappy coverage players.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1120709]Yep it is a lot easier to replace one kicker than 10 crappy coverage players.[/quote]

Yup. And we should probably think about punting out of bounds. Seriously. We are just getting killed with kick coverage.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=Schneed10;1120648]Accurate on the kicks he attempted. The trouble is 24-27 fails to measures the kicks he never attempted because Jay knew he didn't have the leg. Were there 3-5 FGs in the 50+ range that Jay just didn't try? It's hard to know, but I'd rather have a K that can get touchbacks and make my 2-minute offense's target the 37 yard line instead of the 30.[/quote]

Sums it up nicely.

Metrics!

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

How many KO runbacks did we have yesterday? One?
At this time we (and we showed it yesterday) cannot risk a lot of returns of any kind.....

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=Schneed10;1120645]Not worth it. The yardage we give up on kickoffs is worth more to the other team in terms of expected points than the difference between 75% (assumed dingus off the street) and 80% (Kai) on FGs. Nevermind the FGs that Kai can't even attempt because he doesn't have the leg.[/quote]

Great post. It's simple math for GM SM.

It was nice having that "automatic" feeling from 45 in... but from a numbers perspective this move makes perfect sense.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

former Seattle CB Will Blackmon visiting Tuesday

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

While I liked that Forbath was money under 40 yards, the fact he was so iffy 40+ was unnerving. Also, short kickoffs. Damn, aren't we almost kicking from mid-field at this point? Gotta at least make it to the back of the endzone.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=Irrefutable;1120723]former Seattle CB Will Blackmon visiting Tuesday[/quote]

he's okay, but, i mean, you're not going to find good starters at this point. I do like that we're continuing to cycle guys in and kick the tires.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

Don't like it. Remember the missed kicks we suffered through before Forbath. It was dismal. Plus now we can look forward to turning every extra point into an ass clenching experience.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

^The grass is always greener...

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=81forHOF;1120833]Don't like it. Remember the missed kicks we suffered through before Forbath. It was dismal. Plus now we can look forward to turning every extra point into an ass clenching experience.[/quote]

Or he could be the next Jan Strenerud.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

Thank you Mr. Forbath for your service.

You were serviceable.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

Im not against releasing Kai,but this guy doesnt sound any good to me either?
This preseason, Hopkins made three of five field goal attempts with a long of 27.Thats not very good.Yeah his kickoffs were good but we need the points.Most of our drives stall short of the endzone,we need someone who can get us points.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[QUOTE=mooby;1120643]Idk, at least Kai was consistent on field goals. I hated his kickoffs as much as the next guy but he was our first relatively consistent field goal kicker in a while.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=81forHOF;1120833]Don't like it. Remember the missed kicks we suffered through before Forbath. It was dismal. Plus now we can look forward to turning every extra point into an ass clenching experience.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1120882]Im not against releasing Kai,but this guy doesnt sound any good to me either?
This preseason, Hopkins made three of five field goal attempts with a long of 27.Thats not very good.Yeah his kickoffs were good but we need the points.Most of our drives stall short of the endzone,we need someone who can get us points.[/QUOTE]
Just wanted to say that I completely agree.

While Kai Forbath didn't seem to have as strong a leg as other kickers, he was very accurate.

I seriously hope that the Redskins haven't completely screwed themselves by letting Kai go.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

Some teams have carried 2 kickers.. We are carrying a QB that no one would let near 2 miles of the field for risk of a catastrophic injury so why not cut RG3, keep Cobra Kai and sign Hopkins? Seems like a more robust approach at least until a top tier guy could be signed later.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

Forbath's lack of long range on FGs also did him in.

I was a KF supporter, but I don't have a big problem with rolling the dice on a younger guy with bigger upside. Especially one that should be able to consistently put kickoffs through the back of the end zone.

Re: Redskins release Kai Forbath, sign Dustin Hopkins
 

[quote=Mattyk;1121196]Forbath's lack of long range on FGs also did him in.

I was a KF supporter, but I don't have a big problem with rolling the dice on a younger guy with bigger upside. Especially one that should be able to consistently put kickoffs through the back of the end zone.[/quote]

Exactly!
Kai had a good FG percentage because most of his kicks were short.
He did not make one 50+ yard FG all of last year.