Who is Kirk Cousins?
 

Ever since Kirk Cousins three game audition at the end of the 2013 when Mike Shanahan shut RG3 down, he has played mostly below average. As we know Cousins played in a string of games last season after RG3 hurt his ankle. But too many interceptions got him benched. After being named the starter to the 2015 season Cousins has been very subpar... is Cousins a developmental quarterback who will one day mature from his turnover issues...or is this who he is and will never get better?

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Only time will tell. The rest is just SPECULATION. The same speculation. .... every qb goes through early in his career. Point blank.

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That interception to Revis was the sorriest and most pitiful INT I ever saw....the way Cousins looked off Ryan Grant seeing that Revis was covering him, eyed down field, and then came back to Grant and tossing the pick to Revis... there are countless backups, third stringers, and even quarterbacks on practice squads who would not have attempted that throw.

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Back up qb....and a mighty fine one

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But i bet if you look at every one of Cousin's interceptions this year - freaking Grant is involved in some way...Not all of the picks have been solely KC's fault.

I still think if they give him the full season, he will start to improve and then that way at least he is in the battle for QB next off-season...

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He's an international man of mystery and QB for the Redskins.

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I am starting to get concerned how he struggles throwing out routes, that should not be an issue with a 4th year QB.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1126242]I am starting to get concerned how he struggles throwing out routes, that should not be an issue with a 4th year QB.[/QUOTE]


His arm is limited. Those type of throws just aren't his strength.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1126238]But i bet if you look at every one of Cousin's interceptions this year - freaking Grant is involved in some way...Not all of the picks have been solely KC's fault.

I still think if they give him the full season, he will start to improve and then that way at least he is in the battle for QB next off-season...[/quote]

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/20804/redskins-struggle-to-overcome-impact-of-kirk-cousins-interceptions]Washington Redskins struggle to overcome impact of Kirk Cousins' inter - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

Grant involved with 2 of 8 and only 1 did he share some blame.

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I have been real harsh on him this week, I have realized KC is just another guy, Rex Grossman, JC, Todd Collins, etc. He has a very AVG arm which I thought was much stronger than it was, he makes incredibly bad decisions, I'm talking freshman QB in college mistakes... The last 3 INTS he has thrown have been as bad as I've seen in the nfl in years.. Jon Gruden spoke about him today and basically said the skins are very limited on offense due to Kirk, I'm sure he is backing his bro a bit but he is right.

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Kirk Cousins is a 27 year old, 4th year pro who throws more INT's than TD's.

Really not that complicated.

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If we are going to be fair in the evaluation, then perhaps KC needs given the same amount of time as "others" (Campbell, RG3) despite wins and losses. I'm saying at least two full seasons as starter. Joe Theismann said yesterday that he thinks one of the problems with the skins is the fact that we change QB's so often. He thinks they should ride it out with KC to see if he can be the answer long term. Jason Campbell was never benched in almost 4 seasons and the dude played BAD at times....RG3 was stinking it up last year and earlier this year before the "concussion". I'm just saying they should be fair

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1126250]Kirk Cousins is a 27 year old, 4th year pro who throws more INT's than TD's.

Really not that complicated.[/quote]

But but but but but but but he needs more time!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1126250]Kirk Cousins is a 27 year old, 4th year pro who throws more INT's than TD's.

Really not that complicated.[/quote]

Maybe it'll finally click when he's a 10th year pro.

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I don't see kirk becoming the next trent green or rich Gannon but I guess it could happen

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He's our best QB until we can get a better one. That's all you need to know.

You can bet McCloughan will try to draft a better one if he gets the chance in the upcoming draft.

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[quote=Schneed10;1126274]He's our best QB until we can get a better one. That's all you need to know.

You can bet McCloughan will try to draft a better one if he gets the chance in the upcoming draft.[/quote]

winner!, winner! Chicken dinner!

We do people have such a hard fawking time understanding this?

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1126263]If we are going to be fair in the evaluation, then perhaps KC needs given the same amount of time as "others" (Campbell, RG3) despite wins and losses. I'm saying at least two full seasons as starter. Joe Theismann said yesterday that he thinks one of the problems with the skins is the fact that we change QB's so often. He thinks they should ride it out with KC to see if he can be the answer long term. Jason Campbell was never benched in almost 4 seasons and the dude played BAD at times....RG3 was stinking it up last year and earlier this year before the "concussion". I'm just saying they should be fair[/QUOTE]


Well, he's a free agent after this year. So they can't give him 2 years before making a decision on him.

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Campbell and Griffin were 1st round picks with elite physical skills so they obviously were going to be given time. Fair or not KC doesn't have that option.

Where is the guy that threw for 400+ last year? Or 12 Clev? Or Atl in 2013? I want to see that guy who was throwing and making decisions with authority. We've seen him play at a high level but the spurts of poor play always seem to creep up.

Just not sure KC is a 16 game starter. He needs more time and all his weapons. But maybe he's just better in the backup roll vs. the pressure of being a 16 game starter. I'm 50/50 on it.

Whatever KC is I just want Gruden to not fold under the pressure of the media/fans and bench him. Playing McCoy is a complete total waste of time. I'd rather risk the 16 mil and play Griffin if KC is benched.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1126228]Ever since Kirk Cousins three game audition at the end of the 2013 when Mike Shanahan shut RG3 down, he has played mostly below average. As we know Cousins played in a string of games last season after RG3 hurt his ankle. But too many interceptions got him benched. After being named the starter to the 2015 season Cousins has been very sub par... is Cousins a developmental quarterback who will one day mature from his turnover issues...or is this who he is and will never get better?[/quote]I only know Kirk's skill set and his previous production levels.
I don't know what he is or what he'll become.

Right now he is the preferred starting QB for a HC whose judgement is rightfully being called into question.

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There's no way I'd put Griffin back on the field. Ride it out with Kirk.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1126263]If we are going to be fair in the evaluation, then [B]perhaps KC needs given the same amount of time as "others" (Campbell, RG3) despite wins and losses. I'm saying at least two full seasons as starter.[/B] Joe Theismann said yesterday that he thinks one of the problems with the skins is the fact that we change QB's so often. He thinks they should ride it out with KC to see if he can be the answer long term. Jason Campbell was never benched in almost 4 seasons and the dude played BAD at times....RG3 was stinking it up last year and earlier this year before the "concussion". I'm just saying they should be fair[/quote]

With all due respect, in light of his age and experience - both off the bench and in limited starting opportunities from previous years:

No.

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[quote=Schneed10;1126274][B]He's our best QB until we can get a better one. That's all you need to know.[/B]

You can bet McCloughan will try to draft a better one if he gets the chance in the upcoming draft.[/quote]

With all due respect, in light of his age and experience - both off the bench and in limited starting opportunities from previous years:

Yes.

[Although, many more multiple pick games and I am less sold on the "our best QB" issue. Multiple consecutive INT free games from Colt, even if the ball never travels more than 20 yards in the air, makes for a better QB than Cousins.]

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1126263]If we are going to be [U][I][B][COLOR="Red"]fair[/COLOR][/B][/I][/U] in the evaluation, then perhaps KC needs given the same amount of time as "others" (Campbell, RG3) despite wins and losses. I'm saying at least two full seasons as starter. Joe Theismann said yesterday that he thinks one of the problems with the skins is the fact that we change QB's so often. He thinks they should ride it out with KC to see if he can be the answer long term. Jason Campbell was never benched in almost 4 seasons and the dude played BAD at times....RG3 was stinking it up last year and earlier this year before the "concussion". I'm just saying they should be fair[/quote]Interesting word choice 'fair'.

You are saying Kirk needs to be given the same amount of time as other QBs and you cite Campbell and Griffin. If we are being 'fair' then the comparison should be apples to apples.

If you look at the time since Jay has been HC:

Griffin--9 games--7 starts--68.7 comp%--1,694 yds--7.9 YPA--4 TDs--6 INTs--33 sacks--227 rush yards--89 passer rating--9 fumbles

Kirk--12 games--11 starts--64 comp%--3,130 yds--7.3 YPA--16 TDs--17 INTs--15 sacks--22 rush yards--81.9 passer rating--4 fumbles


Griffin was benched after only [U][I][B]5 games[/B][/I][/U] in 2014 his stat line at the time was:

Griffin--5 games--5 starts--67.8 comp%--869 yds--8.2 YPA--2 TDs--3 INTs--20 sacks--100 rush yards--88.6 passer rating--4 fumbles

That's all it took for a 1st time HC to [I][B]stop[/B][/I] developing the uber talented and (at the time) potential franchise QB he inherited. 5 games.

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[quote=30gut;1126290]Interesting word choice 'fair'.

You are saying Kirk needs to be given the same amount of time as other QBs and you cite Campbell and Griffin. If we are being 'fair' then the comparison should be apples to apples.

If you look at the time since Jay has been HC:

Griffin--9 games--7 starts--68.7 comp%--1,694 yds--7.9 YPA--4 TDs--6 INTs--33 sacks--227 rush yards--89 passer rating--9 fumbles

Kirk--12 games--11 starts--64 comp%--3,130 yds--7.3 YPA--16 TDs--17 INTs--15 sacks--22 rush yards--81.9 passer rating--4 fumbles


Griffin was benched after only [U][I][B]5 games[/B][/I][/U] in 2014 his stat line at the time was:

Griffin--5[B] games--5 starts--67.8 comp%--869 yds--8.2 YPA--2 TDs--3 INTs--20 sacks--100 rush yards--88.6 passer rating--4 fumbles[/B]
That's all it took for a 1st time HC to [I][B]stop[/B][/I] developing the uber talented and (at the time) potential franchise QB he inherited. 5 games.[/quote]

You forgot to add and "Two more injuries"

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1126250]Kirk Cousins is a 27 year old, 4th year pro who throws more INT's than TD's.

Really not that complicated.[/quote]

He is also awful on the road.

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Cousins has been given time. He isn't a rookie. He is who he is and he has regressed this year. He isn't putting good games together rather he is using a good game in between his spurts of bad gameS.

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[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1126295]Cousins has been given time. He isn't a rookie. He is who he is and he has regressed this year. He isn't putting good games together rather he is using a good game in between his spurts of bad gameS.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, his last 2 games have been as bad as Rex would have.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1126280]. I'd rather risk the 16 mil and play Griffin if KC is benched.[/quote]



:laughing2 :laughing-:laughing2:laughing-


So glad you aren't our GM.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1126297]:laughing2 :laughing-:laughing2:laughing-


So glad you aren't our GM.[/quote]

If I were the GM I NEVER would have given him the 16 million for 2016 in the first place. Pull the thread up. I was very against it.

You also have the understand that this is the fan in me talking. If I were SM there is no way in hell I would let him see the field.

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[quote=Mattyk;1126285]There's no way I'd put Griffin back on the field. Ride it out with Kirk.[/quote]

Seriously. He can't even execute simple high school things like 3 step drops. Nor can he read his progressions. Not to mention the abysmal pocket presence. Why would anyone want to put him on the field? For once just trust that the staff knows what they're doing. Right now Kirk is the best of the worst. Going to the worst of the worst is not going to help.

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[QUOTE=WRSK1NS;1126293]You forgot to add and "Two more injuries"[/QUOTE]

And a refusal to follow basic, express coaching instructions and (apparently) pissing off his teammates.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1126305]And a refusal to follow basic, express coaching instructions and (apparently) pissing off his teammates.

Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk[/quote]

Saying dumb shit

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Cousins should start the rest of the season.
- He may get better w/DJax in lineup, but he's probably a backup.
Griffin should stay on the bench, try to trade him, but if not let him go in January.
- I'd bet Griffin goes to Eagles and does really really well
We should draft a QB replacement next year.
Should also draft a good WR to replace DJax / Garcon.

We still have a chance at winning the division if we get hot.
But more likely we'll be 6-10 and will have a top 10-15 draft pick again next year.

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This year is to reconcile....who can do...what
That's....what's happening

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[quote=30gut;1126284]I only know Kirk's skill set and his previous production levels.
I don't know what he is or what he'll become.

Right now he is the preferred starting QB for a HC whose judgement is rightfully being called into question.[/quote]

This is without a doubt the best answer to my question that I've seen yet.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1126230]That interception to Revis was the sorriest and most pitiful INT I ever saw....the way Cousins looked off Ryan Grant seeing that Revis was covering him, eyed down field, and then came back to Grant and tossing the pick to Revis... there are countless backups, third stringers, and even quarterbacks on practice squads who would not have attempted that throw.[/quote]

Eli threw pretty much the same interception the other night against the Eagles. All QBs make mistakes, and most QBs make A LOT of mistakes early in their careers.

Look, he's been innacurate, inconsistent and downright bad at times. However, he has also been accurate and really good at times. Some of the INTs have been bad decisions, some of the INTs have been bad bounces, some of the INTs have been great defensive plays, some of the INTs have been the result of bad routes.

Who is Kirk Cousins? Ask me next year....

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1126319]Eli threw pretty much the same interception the other night against the Eagles. All QBs make mistakes, and most QBs make A LOT of mistakes early in their careers.

Look, he's been innacurate, inconsistent and downright bad at times. However, he has also been accurate and really good at times. Some of the INTs have been bad decisions, some of the INTs have been bad bounces, some of the INTs have been great defensive plays, some of the INTs have been the result of bad routes.

Who is Kirk Cousins? Ask me next year....[/quote]

The fact that Cousins looked off of Ryan Grant being covered by Revis, looked up field, and then made the severely mentally challenged decision to come back to Grant when he was still covered by Revis showed to me how much of a effen bum that Kirk Cousins is....

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1126319]Eli threw pretty much the same interception the other night against the Eagles. All QBs make mistakes, and most QBs make A LOT of mistakes early in their careers.

Look, he's been innacurate, inconsistent and downright bad at times. However, he has also been accurate and really good at times. Some of the INTs have been bad decisions, some of the INTs have been bad bounces, some of the INTs have been great defensive plays, some of the INTs have been the result of bad routes.

[B]Who is Kirk Cousins? Ask me next year[/B]....[/quote]

The problem is, he is in the final year of his contract and is a FA after this year. We need to know this year who he is, not next.

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[quote=Mattyk;1126244]His arm is limited. Those type of throws just aren't his strength.[/quote]

I don't agree with that Matt. I'm not sold Kirk is a starter, but his arm isn't limited. I've seen him make all the throws.