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While everyone is all fired up and paranoid over refugees and ISIS, meanwhile our own brand of terror continues to be a problem and yet the media never wants to call it what it is (white Christian terrorism) and our politicians never do anything about it.

And you can't tell me attacks on a Planned Parenthood aren't in part fueled by irresonsible GOP rhetoric. They need to step up and take some responsibility.

And how the heck does a guy shoot up a PP including shooting 5 cops and end up being taken alive, while a black man with a knife walking away from police ends up getting shot 16 times in cold blood? It's a F'd up world we live in.

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I assume your just slinging shit to see where it splatters?
ISIS? Paranoia.......?


[url=http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/23/politics/state-worldwide-travel-alert-paris-terrorist-attacks/]State Department issues worldwide travel alert - CNNPolitics.com[/url]
GOP responsible for PP attacks? really?
I have an interesting philosophy. Maybe we hold people accountable for their own action..what say?
As far as the white christian terrorists. It's probably the liberal media covering up for them, right?
For me, I'll throw the switch on all they asses. Christian...Peace loving Muslim....Donald the Duck terrorist.....
I am a equal opportunity executioner.....
Nice to see this on the main page again

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Rachel Maddow did a story the other night about ties Ted Cruz has with violent Anti-abortionists.

[url=http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/cruz-ducks-questions-about-religious-radicals-574539331709]Cruz ducks questions about radical religious right endorsement | MSNBC[/url]

Also I love how yet again the crazy right says we can't talk about gun control because it would be "using a tragedy." Except this nation has a gun tragedy every day.

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[quote=MTK;1130140]While everyone is all fired up and paranoid over refugees and ISIS, meanwhile our own brand of terror continues to be a problem and yet the media never wants to call it what it is (white Christian terrorism) and our politicians never do anything about it.

And you can't tell me attacks on a Planned Parenthood aren't in part fueled by irresonsible GOP rhetoric. They need to step up and take some responsibility.

And how the heck does a guy shoot up a PP including shooting 5 cops and end up being taken alive, while a black man with a knife walking away from police ends up getting shot 16 times in cold blood? It's a F'd up world we live in.[/quote]

Whoooaaa...

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Domestic terrorism been here since the the country was born...and the comparison vs foreign terrorism is Apple and oranges. Anti abortions nuts...nothing new. I would agree our government and this adminstration isn't doing enough to keep the country safe against either.

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[quote=Hijinx;1130166]Rachel Maddow did a story the other night about ties Ted Cruz has with violent Anti-abortionists.

[url=http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/cruz-ducks-questions-about-religious-radicals-574539331709]Cruz ducks questions about radical religious right endorsement | MSNBC[/url]

Also I love how yet again the crazy right says we can't talk about gun control because it would be "using a tragedy." Except this nation has a [B]gun tragedy every day.[/B][/quote]

We have a people problem.....

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[url=http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect-made-comment-about-no-more-baby-n470706]Planned Parenthood Shooting Suspect Made Comment About 'No More Baby Parts': Sources - NBC News[/url]

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It drives me nuts how we are having this nationalism movement occurring when there is a genuine reason for concern for Syrian refugees. The vetting process in the U.S. is sound there is no reason to backburner it. When Cubans or those fleeing Nazi Germany fled and became refugees we welcomed them and in both of those incidents we were at war with an ideology we feared.

On the flip side please stop calling this white terrorism just call it domestic terrorism.

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It would be nice if we did start calling our own terrorists, it's what they are. Not gunman, or thugs, straight up terrorists.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1130194]It [B]drives me nuts[/B] how we are having this nationalism movement occurring when there is a genuine reason for concern for Syrian refugees. [B]The vetting process in the U.S. is sound there is no reason to backburner it.[/B] When Cubans or those fleeing Nazi Germany fled and became refugees we welcomed them and in both of those incidents we were at war with an ideology we feared.

On the flip side please stop calling this white terrorism just call it domestic terrorism.[/quote]

It may not make you feel as warm and fuzzy as you think......

Administration officials have acknowledged that checking the accuracy or authenticity of documents provided by refugee applicants against foreign government records can be especially difficult involving countries that don't cooperate with the U.S. government, such as Syria. It can also complicate U.S. efforts to check foreign government records for local arrests or lesser bureaucratic interactions, such as bank records, business licenses or civil filings. "We do the best we can with the information we have," one U.S. official said.—FBI Director James Comey told Congress weeks ago that the FBI sees a risk with Syrian refugees and "we will work hard to mitigate it." He said the biggest challenge is that a background check is as only as good as the information available. "That's the challenge we are all talking about, is that we can only query against that which we have collected. And so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home but ... there will be nothing show up because we have no record on that person," Comey said.


[url=http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/11/19/things-to-know-about-syrian-refugees-and-the-vetting-process]Things to know about Syrian refugees and the vetting process - US News[/url]

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Interesting Hog. I was listening to "On Point" two Wednesdays ago and they were talking to someone from NSA that was saying differently. I would not be surprised if this is the case of one hand not talking to the other i.e. not knowing what or where to send the information at hand.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/paris-attacks-syrian-refugees-backlash/]Syrian refugees not welcome in 31 U.S. states - CNN.com[/url]

[B]New York: 'Virtually no vetting'[/B]
A senior White House security official attempted to allay concerns about the vetting of Syrian refugees.

Refugees wait for a boat to a new life
5 photos: Refugees wait for a boat to a new life
On NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday, White House Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes said, "We have very extensive screening procedures for all Syrian refugees who have come to the United States. There is a very careful vetting process that includes our intelligence community, our National Counter Terrorism Center, the Department of Homeland Security, so we can make sure that we are carefully screening anybody that comes to the United States."

New York Rep. Peter King, speaking on Fox News, cast doubt on Rhodes' comments.

[[B]I]"What he said about the vetting of the refugees is untrue. There is virtually no vetting cause there are no databases in Syria, there are no government records. We don't know who these people are."[/I]
[/B]
It would be interesting to know how many Syrian refugees have been denied access as a result of the.....vaunted vetting process.

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Do these idiot GOP governor know they have ZERO say in US immigration policy or are they brain dead?

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My professor from college, who i still keep in touch with, recently posted this article on his FB and it really makes you think:

[url=http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/04/3599271/austin-shooter-christian-extremism/]The Christian Terrorist Movement No One Wants To Talk About | ThinkProgress[/url]

Lots of folks are quick to point out how violent the Muslim religion supposedly is, but doing some research it seems that radical Christians are at least on par with some of the incidents that have occurred. For all of the goodness contained within, the Bible is a decidedly horrifying and violent book, with many in-depth recountings of mass murder, rape, etc.. People will argue the "new testament vs Old testament", but it makes no difference.

I am not against people having religion or going to church, etc, but i guess the argument could be made that in the USA, we are slowly seeing hate groups / supremacists rise up and do what they are doing in the name of Christianity.

Matty is correct -the crazy Christians that do that stuff within the USA - need labeled terrorists, because thats what they are.

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[quote=Hog1;1130726][url=http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/paris-attacks-syrian-refugees-backlash/]Syrian refugees not welcome in 31 U.S. states - CNN.com[/url]

[B]New York: 'Virtually no vetting'[/B]
A senior White House security official attempted to allay concerns about the vetting of Syrian refugees.

Refugees wait for a boat to a new life
5 photos: Refugees wait for a boat to a new life
On NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday, White House Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes said, "We have very extensive screening procedures for all Syrian refugees who have come to the United States. There is a very careful vetting process that includes our intelligence community, our National Counter Terrorism Center, the Department of Homeland Security, so we can make sure that we are carefully screening anybody that comes to the United States."

New York Rep. Peter King, speaking on Fox News, cast doubt on Rhodes' comments.

[[B]I]"What he said about the vetting of the refugees is untrue. There is virtually no vetting cause there are no databases in Syria, there are no government records. We don't know who these people are."[/I]
[/B]
It would be interesting to know how many Syrian refugees have been denied access as a result of the.....vaunted vetting process.[/quote]


Dude don't quote Peter King like he is knowledgeable. He is the same racist who after the Boston bombings, said all Muslims should be put under surveillance.

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[quote=Hijinx;1130736]Dude don't quote Peter King like he is knowledgeable. He is the same racist who after the Boston bombings, said all Muslims should be put under surveillance.[/quote]
Perhaps you would like to consider doing your own legwork as there are many articles citing the same thing.....dude
And back to my question. I wonder how many Syrian refugees have been denied entrance to the USA as a result of the vetting process?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1130735]My professor from college, who i still keep in touch with, recently posted this article on his FB and it really makes you think:

[URL="http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/12/04/3599271/austin-shooter-christian-extremism/"]The Christian Terrorist Movement No One Wants To Talk About | ThinkProgress[/URL]

Lots of folks are quick to point out how violent the Muslim religion supposedly is, but doing some research it seems that radical Christians are at least on par with some of the incidents that have occurred. For all of the goodness contained within, the Bible is a decidedly horrifying and violent book, with many in-depth recountings of mass murder, rape, etc.. People will argue [B]but it makes no difference. [/B]
the "new testament vs Old testament",

I am not against people having religion or going to church, etc, but i guess the argument could be made that in the USA, we are slowly seeing hate groups / supremacists rise up and do what they are doing in the name of Christianity.

Matty is correct -the crazy Christians that do that stuff within the USA - need labeled terrorists, because thats what they are.[/quote]

[B]Exactly, It makes not difference[/B].
A terrorist is a terrorist....Black....White...Muslim.....Christian or especially pissed off Jew
Kill em' all, let God...or Allah sort em' out
I have never been able to understand how any thinking person can try and arrive at any other conclusion or try to defend the action s of a killer?
BUT it is incumbent on our officials to make sure the vetting system actually works rather than feed us the usual Bullshit and lip service we have grown accustomed from the Government. It is critical to detect potential threats to our already war torn USA. The last thing we need to be doing is importing more potential terrorists.
We have....no border security as it is......we don't need to add to

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Welp...looks like more terrorists in California.

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Really enough is enough. When will the shootings stop. As it is a time for action. Not just all talk in gun control.

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[quote=JPPT1974;1130895]Really enough is enough. When will the shootings stop. As it is a time for action. Not just all talk in gun control.[/quote]


They won't,not as long as the NRA has the public all worked up about the 2nd amendment.Shooting up a grade school was n't enough they said give all the teachers guns .Now this group ,not a single wacko ,a group comes and shoots up a place for mentally challenged people ,the NRA answer will be to arm everyone and this won't happen....................but it will ,over ,and over again.

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[quote=JPPT1974;1130895]Really enough is enough. When will the shootings stop. As it is a time for action. Not just all talk in gun control.[/quote]


Anyone who is anti-gun control is partly responsible for every gun death. We all live in a less safe country because you can't get a hard on without shooting something.

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Pretty sad to see the media spin this as a workplace dispute. Wake up folks

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What type of society have we become that would spawn such people that do these types of things?

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I am no fan of gun control both from a philosophical and practical aspect. With that said, however, something has to be done. Freedom v. security is a constant challenge.

These attacks are consistent in going after the weak and undefended. People in church, children at school, and now the mentally challenged. The reason we band together as a society is - in part - to protect the defenseless among us from those who would otherwise harm them.

On the other hand, if we strip away the right to protect ourselves and, instead, rely on government to defend us, (1) we will need to increase the police presence significantly - try getting Baltimore City PD to respond to a burglary; (2) everyone will need to get used to a much more intrusive government and be ready to surrender significant personal freedoms unrelated to the right to own a gun. Just as with freedom, security comes with a price.

The tragedies need to end. While I generally am not in agreement with him on issues, I agree with Obama's statement that these types of shootings cannot become "something that just happens in the ordinary course of events."

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Hey Joe, after you figure out how to control the guns from going to crazy people then can you work on this issue: is there a way for some Muslims to stop hating us and committing violent acts against our society?

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The actual execution of any plan and a....real hope for success is....an issue.

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I don't know what the answer is but something has to be done.

As a society we are completely out of control when it comes to gun violence.

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[quote=MTK;1130907]I don't know what the answer is but something has to be done.

[B]As a society we are completely out of control[/B] when it comes to gun violence.[/quote]

^^^^^^^^

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its intriguing to hear the media spin both mass shootings.

The California one...NBC and CNN have brought in experts and done pieces about gun control in less than 24 hours

The Colorado one...both networks only talked about planned parenthood. Very little on gun control or the mentally ill. Come to find out this guy was very much a nut and intense loner


The media will push their agenda and somehow give opinion as facts

folks we need to wake up...

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[quote=Chico23231;1130909]its intriguing to hear the media spin both mass shootings.

The California one...NBC and CNN have brought in experts and done pieces about gun control in less than 24 hours

The Colorado one...both networks only talked about planned parenthood. Very little on gun control or the mentally ill. Come to find out this guy was very much a nut and intense loner


The media will push their agenda and somehow give opinion as facts

[B]folks we need to wake up..[/B].[/quote]


^^^^

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[quote=MTK;1130907]I don't know what the answer is but something has to be done.

As a society we are completely out of control when it comes to gun violence.[/quote]

I agree...its a fact. I don't understand how someone can be on the no fly list, but able to purchase a gun. How is that? Your a threat enough to fly...

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I do know what doesn't work... prayers. We need real solutions.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/syed-farook-tashfeen-malik-mass-shooting-profile/index.html]Who were Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik? - CNN.com[/url]

Why isn't CNN reporting that the Shooter recently traveled to the middle east in the last 6 months? Why isn't CNN reporting that Shooter is Muslim?

THIS IS SIGNIFICANT.

Folks, wake up

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I dont understand why we need AR-15s and other assault high-capacity rifles. I just dont get that. im sure if they did restrict assault rifles to stringent screening, the bad guys would just use semi automatic hand guns ....

reasonable laws that need to happen now:

1. screening for high capacity guns like AR 15s
2. screening for any person on FBI watch list who attempts to buy a gun
3. all guns must be registered a time of purchase
4. gun owners must report if their gun was stolen, lost or sold to someone else

this wont make attacks not happen but their shouldnt be a zillion restrictions and requirements to drive a car vs zero restrictions to own a AR 15.
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Chico - it has been reported repeatedly that the male went to SA and came back w a bride and started growing a beard. i heard that about 6:15 pm in teh car last night less then 5 hours after the shootings. what you're saying reminds me of commentators and articles i read on the blaze. they have articles about how msnbc sent out a tweet that the attacks dont seem to be related to a planned parenthood 1 mile away. the conservative blaze commentators are screaming this is liberal msm agenda!!! .... its a tweet. we just had an AR 15 attack at a PP less than a week ago ..... also isnt making an article less then 24 hours after the attack focusing on a tweet from msm .... a conservative agenda to try and nit pick any little thing the msm does to try and corroborate their hard on to prove bias. .. its funny. they have this huge agenda to look for any agenda from msm. double standards at its finest. "ohh nooo, a tweet from msnbc!!!"

of course, the fine ppl at the blaze also think the PP attack was just a bank robbery gone wrong by a obama voting liberal.

they also think this attack yesterday was staged by Obama to go after their guns like newtown was saying "how calm everyone looked on the scene" and "how did so many federal agencies arrive so quickly, its like they were waiting for this to happen bc it was staged!!".

like the benghazi thing. what fucking difference does it make it Obama did not say it was a terrorist attack within the 24 hours of it happening?

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Some of you are a little to.......hysterical to have a rational discussion at this time

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OTM that article is titled "what we know" and it doesn't list those facts...? These are significant facts!

CNN/CNN.com is the most watched/view news org in the world...they should have this..

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The reasons why this is terrorism at the least:

1. Seemed planned...from their movements, dress, and weapons to the soft target

2. Dressed in tactical gear. They were dressed like they were going to war, not like they were going to work

3. Explosives found at home, in the vehicle, at the center. folks, they didn't make these like mcgyvar on the fly

4. This was multiperson mass shooting...working as a team. this wasn't irrational, fly off the hook workplace violence.

5. They were comfortable engaging the police. They didn't try to flee, they chose to stay and fight...and die

Reasons why this is Islamic Terrorist:

1. Muslim

2. Woman is involved, this is has become commonplace among Islamic terrorist.

3. Explosives used. they have a knack for this...

4. Recent attacks by other Muslims across the world hitting soft targets..patterns, copy cats, etc

5. Traveled to middle east recently. Folks, its no great secret a lot of these terrorists are going to the middle east for training, resources, and ideological support.



I'll be surprised if this is found as just a workplace violent mass killing...too much planning

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OTM,
An AR is not really much more or less dangerous than any other semi-auto weapon. Try to eliminate it and Psycho Muslims AND Christians will just take "Next Weapon up". They will not under any circumstances...quit.
When we outlawed some of the scary guns (See Tech 9). It was real scary looking, but basically a piece of shit that you could not hit a barn with........BUT the ignorant public loved it. NO real effect of any kind......
There is an old phrase that goes " When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". While not gospel, it's basically correct.
If we want to have an impact, let's start by shutting down our Wide open borders. Seriously evaluate those who come across and SAY NO when appropriate. Additionally, I heard Bernie the Red (I think) suggest that a coalition needs to approach the NRA and try to get a dialogue going to involve them in making some changes....Very Smart
It's time for some real workable solutions that may have a chance of success rather than the same Bullshit alarmist rhetoric........

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Not really sure why some are so intent on rushing to judgment in this thread as to the motivation. Just let the investigation run its course and let all the facts come out.

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[quote=Hog1;1130924]OTM,
An AR is not really much more or less dangerous than any other semi-auto weapon. Try to eliminate it and Psycho Muslims AND Christians will just take "Next Weapon up". [/quote]

Yes, i concede that. they would just end up using semi automatic hand guns instead. perhaps more dangerous .. but we do need ARs for "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State".

unfortunately the SCOTUS interpreted "militia" to mean any of age person.