2016 Combine
 

2016 Combine starts this Friday.

What players you are interested in?

My lesser known run thumping ILB prospects
 

LBs w/size:

Josh Perry-Ohio State

Steven Daniels-Boston College

Aaron Wallace-UCLA

Jared Norris-Utah

Tyler Makatevich-Temple

CJ Johnson-Miss

BJ Goodson-Clemson

Casanova McKinzy-Auburn

Nick Kwiatkowski-WV

Brandon Chubb (didn't get invite)

DBs
 

Mack Alexander-Clemson

Kendall Fuller-Tech

Jayron Kearse- Clemson

Sua Cravens-USC

J. Cash-Duke

Karl Joseph/KJ Dillon-WV

Will Jack III-Houston

Cyrus Jones 103-Bama

Sean Davis-Terps

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V Hargreaves (best corner imo)

J Goff, Lynch, The kid from ND STATE

A Robinson (Bama)

ROBERT NKEMDICHE DT | OLE MISS (who i think will be our pick)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1139535]ROBERT NKEMDICHE DT | OLE MISS (who i think will be our pick)[/quote]

[url=http://realredskins.com/2016/02/22/will-the-redskins-believe-nkemdiches-upside-is-worth-the-risk/]Will the Redskins believe Nkemdiche’s upside is worth the risk? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

Think the falling out the window and the pot thing will scare McLovin off?

It doesn't seem to be habitual like Randy Gregory, but it happened leading up to the bowl game.

Never know what a character investigation into players will reveal. It could be a big deal, it could be nothing.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1139538][url=http://realredskins.com/2016/02/22/will-the-redskins-believe-nkemdiches-upside-is-worth-the-risk/]Will the Redskins believe Nkemdiche’s upside is worth the risk? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

Think the falling out the window and the pot thing will scare McLovin off?

It doesn't seem to be habitual like Randy Gregory, but it happened leading up to the bowl game.

Never know what a character investigation into players will reveal. It could be a big deal, it could be nothing.[/quote]


Idk if it does that sucks because he's a big time player at the position and we could use another DT for sure.

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With all the quality and depth along the DL I'll let someone else take that chucklehead

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Just heard on ESPN that WR Laquon Treadwell is not going to run the 40 at the combine.

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[quote=30gut;1139547]Just heard on ESPN that WR Laquon Treadwell is not going to run the 40 at the combine.[/quote]

guy is extremely overrated.

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We haven't really discussed him much or WRs for that matter...so it would depend on where you think other people have him rated. *shrugs* He's not the top WRs in my eyes.

Skipping the 40 at the combine isn't going help him though.
Now, I'm gonna be very curious at his other numbers especially his SPARQ.

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Do you think it's going to hurt him more than running a 4.6 like most thought he would? I looked at a few videos of him and I thought he was like a less polished Amari Cooper. Wasn't blowing the doors off of people, but making tough catches. I agree, not the top WR in my eyes, but I don't hate on him by any means.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1139555]Do you think it's going to hurt him more than running a 4.6 like most thought he would?[/quote]Personally? I think less of him for not running.

For me it confirms 2 thoughts in my mind and both of them are bad. First it confirms that he's slow (and he knows it) which in and of itself isn't bad. But for me it confirms that he didn't work hard to get faster; imo any prospect that takes getting faster seriously can get with the right people and train their butt off and run a decent 40 time. He's gonna have to run a hellva 40 at his pro-day b/c whatever he runs will be consider aided by a fast track.


[quote]I looked at a few videos of him and I thought he was like a less polished Amari Cooper. Wasn't blowing the doors off of people, but making tough catches.[/quote]I don't think he's anything like Cooper. I thought Cooper as prospect was up their with Julio/AJ. Superb athlete with outstanding speed, strength and run after the catch. Excellent route running ability and outstanding ability to separate. Easily a top 5 prospect.

Treadwell, while bigger, isn't near the athlete, probably lacks top end speed, is decent after the catch but not dynamic, is an average route runner and doesn't separate anywhere close to the level of Cooper. Now, I'm not trying to kill Treadwell here; there are some things I think he does well. He's got good size and uses it well to out position DBs. But compared to Cooper.....well for me its not a favorable comparison.

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By all accounts isn't Treadwell supposed to be a top 10 pick, if not top 15?

Just curious as to why we care about him, he's pretty much off my radar for the Skins.

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[quote=Schneed10;1139557]By all accounts isn't Treadwell supposed to be a top 10 pick, if not top 15?[/quote]I guess it depends on which accounts. I've tried to keep a running tally on the several draft boards in the other thread and iirc none listed there have Treadwell higher then 15th.

I would view his consensus as 15-32 and falling.

[quote]Just curious as to why we care about him, he's pretty much off my radar for the Skins.[/quote]Apart from this being the combine thread and Treadwell's not running the 40 being combine news; *shrugs* I don't care about Treadwell one way or another and I would wager (could be wrong) that the others don't either.

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[url=http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/21/roger-goodell-new-england-patriots-nfl-draft-picks-combine-preview]Roger Goodell should give back NFL draft picks to Patriots | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

The MMQB Mailbag: Pre-Combine edition


The MMQB's Peter King answers Twitter questions ahead of the 2016 NFL Combine.

It’s combine time

Time to vastly overrate NFL draft prospects!

That’s what happens when 32 NFL teams gather with their shopping lists, and 1,150 members of the news media are on hand to document the running and the testing and the interviewing of 335 top NFL prospects for the 2016 draft.

That’s about three media people and two coaches/scouts/club officials per prospect.

What could get overblown?!


I digress. What follows is the Ten Things I Think I Learned From A 51-Minute Chat With Mike Mayock the other day on the eve of this week’s combine, which runs from Tuesday to next Monday at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis:

1. It’s an A draft for defense, C for offense. Mayock thinks there could be 19 defensive players among the 31 first-rounders. “We can talk quarterbacks and other sexy positions,” Mayock said, “but the nuts and bolts of this draft is defense. And think about this: There are 10 to 12 interior defensive linemen who could have first-round grades from some teams. It is by far the best year for interior defensive linemen in my memory.”


2. The two biggest mystery guys? Two huge front-seven prospects. Mississippi defensive lineman Robert Nkemdiche fell from a fourth-floor window of a Hyatt in Atlanta in December, and police found seven marijuana cigarettes in his hotel room, leading him to be suspended for Ole Miss’s bowl game. So there’s that. “If you watched his Alabama tape from this year and we lived in a vacuum with no concerns for off-the-field stuff, you’d think he could be the first player picked in the draft,” said Mayock. Then there’s defensive end Noah Spence, booted out of Ohio State for failing multiple drug tests, including one for ecstasy; he transferred to Eastern Kentucky and had 11.5 sacks last fall in his only season there. “One of the most talented kids in the draft,” said Mayock, “but obviously, you’ve got to be careful.” Spence is similar in size (6-2 5/8, 252 pounds) to Von Miller.

3. Rising defensive star? Sheldon Rankins. “He made one of the great plays I’ve seen on tape this year—a scoop-and-score against Boston College,” said Mayock. “But not only that, he made a move on a BC guy while he’s finishing picking up the ball. He’s one of the great three-technique prospects in the draft this year, and he’s played all over the line. His value’s really going up.” Mayock says Oregon’s DeForest Buckner, a tackle or end, will be a certain top-10 pick.

4. Mississippi tackle Laremy Tunsil makes sense for Tennessee at number one. Mayock compares him to Washington’s Trent Williams. “Great feet, long arms, but I don’t know if he’s as strong as Trent,” Mayock said. “If you’re Tennessee, and you’ve got your franchise quarterback, step two is how you enhance his position, protecting him up front and getting him enough weapons. The one thing I say about the first pick is he better be a good football player on day one, an eight-to-10-year starter barring injury, an alpha male, good in the locker room … or you don’t want to take him there. But does Tunsil make sense for Tennessee? Sure he does, and he enhances two positions, because you can move Taylor Lewan to the right side, which is probably a better position for him.”



5. Now for the quarterbacks: It looks like Jared Goff of Cal and Carson Wentz of North Dakota State, in some order, at the top. But watch out for Memphis’ Paxton Lynch. “Goff’s by far the most polished quarterback in this draft,” said Mayock. “Quick release, natural feel in the pocket, good arm strength and accuracy and ability to read progressions better than anyone in this draft. He is your guy today, if you’re Cleveland. But say you’re Dallas [with the fourth pick], and you don’t need [a quarterback] today—maybe you think Wentz can learn behind Tony Romo, and maybe you think his upside is higher than Goff. Who you like better depends on what you need from your QB on day one.”



6. I can see it now: Wentz is going to be everyone’s story late in the week, when teams interview quarterbacks, and then on Saturday, when he throws. A North Dakota State kid, from the metropolis of Bismarck, N.D., going two? Or four? Or seven, to the Niners? “After the Senior Bowl,” said Mayock, referring to Wentz’s star performance in Mobile, “the level of competition doesn’t concern me. I can see him do everything on tape I need to see, all the physical traits—strong arm, roll out left and throw, roll right and throw, make all throws. Does he have further to go than Goff? Of course. But we don’t take the time in the NFL to develop young quarterbacks, and you have to have this in mind when you draft Wentz.” I asked Mayock how Wentz would react to the pressure of, say, Cleveland, where the list of failed quarterbacks is very long. It’s a place where quarterbacks go to die. “Totally legit question,” Mayock said. “Playing in Jacksonville, say, is different, no doubt, than stepping into the cauldron that is the Cleveland Browns. Better make sure you get to know the kid very well. There has been nothing about him so far but, wow, this is the real deal. Solid, gets it, nothing fazes him. You can imagine all the people who will be curious about him in Indy.”

7. How many quarterbacks in the first round? Those three, probably, plus maybe Connor Cook of Michigan State. Enigma, as you’ll hear this week. Many love him, some question his leadership and consistency. “Cook’s a distant fourth in that group right now,” said Mayock.



8. The storyline that will be hidden, but that is important, is the next tier of quarterbacks. Very good point by Mayock: He’s talked to multiple scouts/coaches who wonder if there’s a Kirk Cousins or Russell Wilson in this draft, a mid-rounder you can steal on day two or three and develop into your quarterback of the future. Mayock’s candidates: Stanford’s Kevin Hogan (Mayock loves him), Mississippi State’s Dak Prescott, N.C. State’s Jacoby Brissett, USC’s Cody Kessler, Indiana’s Nate Sudfeld, Arkansas’s Brandon Allen. (Mayock didn’t included Christian Hackenberg or Cardale Jones here, thinking they’ll tempt some team higher than the fourth round.)

9. Most telling line from Mayock: “It’ll be really interesting to see if Hackenberg gets past Bill O’Brien in the second round.” The Texans coach loved Hackenberg at Penn State, and Hackenberg basically fell of a cliff since O’Brien left.

10. Most interesting player at the combine? Could well by Penn State pass rusher Carl Nassib, the younger brother of Giants backup quarterback Ryan Nassib. Carl Nassib was not a starting player in high school, walked on at Penn State, didn’t start a game till this year, and ended up leading the nation in sacks. He had 15.5 sacks. Mayock says he reminds him a little of Jared Allen—the effort and the production and the love of the game.

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Honestly, do you guys think the combine is really worth it? I've watched it in the past, but I don't think it's really going to give you any better insight as to who's going to make it in the NFL and who isn't.

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[quote=metalskins;1139575]Honestly, do you guys think the combine is really worth it?[/quote]Yes. But you have to realize the combine isn't designed for the layman. The on the field stuff is net-net probably the least important of all the events that occur at the combine. #1 is the medical testing and #2 (or really 1a) is the personal contact/team meetings.

The combine events are merely a cross check/tie breaker because it allows the player to be compared against each other and provide data that can be used to compare against historical archives.

Now if you are a draftnik/wannabe amateur scout (like myself) you can use the combine numbers to separate players that have similar grades from watching tape. For example a couple of years back I graded Deone Buchannon and James Ward much higher then other draftniks. But after their combines I was certain that they were 1st round prospect because they combine numbers comparable to previous 1st rounders which confirmed what I saw on film.

Personally I love the combine and find it very useful.


[quote]I've watched it in the past, but I don't think it's really going to give you any better insight as to who's going to make it in the NFL and who isn't.[/quote]The combine is not designed to help you figure out who's going to make it in the NFL. On the whole I consider the concept or belief in draft [I]prediction[/I]to be a myth. The draft process is about proper evaluation, assessment and ranking/grading. Imo that's the best a FO/organization can expect during the draft process. Whether a prospect fails or succeed has many factors completely external to the tangible evaluation process that imo it renders prediction impossible. You can have 2 prospect with identical college production and combine performance. But you still have no idea how the prospects will respond to making/having serious money and being in a new city on their own without the pretense of having to attend class. Then there are factors external to the prospect like whether or not their personality meshes with their coaches/GM, whether or not they are a scheme fit or their coaches know how to adapt to their skills, whether or not the staff/GM are fired and the player doesn't fit the new scheme, whether the player tries cocaine or weed for the 1st time and becomes an addict etc.....

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[SIZE="5"]http://www.patriots.com/audio/2016/02/23/mike-mayock-pre-combine-conference-call-223[/SIZE]

Finally! Better late then never.......Mayocks pre-combine press conference

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training for the 40 is a waste of time. yes, you can train to run a faster 40, but it doesn't actually translate to helping you in real games (at all). the combine overall is less useful than it used to be, because instead of honest stats and interviews, everyone's preparing for them like a sat cram class.

definitely not useless, but the drill results have a higher variance to on field performance now than 15 years ago.

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[quote=That Guy;1139584]training for the 40 is a waste of time. yes, you can train to run a faster 40, but it doesn't actually translate to helping you in real games (at all).[/quote]I'm on the other side.

Training for the 40 can make you faster. Many people don't know how to run fast. And if they learn some mechanics and techniques of running they can certainly run faster at the combine and be faster on the field. There's a reason why most of the really fast guys in the NFL have track in their background.

But, being faster doesn't necessarily equate to being better.

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[quote=30gut;1139587]There's a reason why most of the really fast guys in the NFL have track in their background.[/quote]

The really slow guys usually don't make track teams.

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[quote=That Guy;1139584]...the combine overall is less useful than it used to be, because instead of honest stats and interviews, everyone's preparing for them like a sat cram class.

definitely not useless, but the drill results have a higher variance to on field performance now than 15 years ago.[/quote]I think the evaluation aspect is better then its ever been.

Teams like Seattle (where Scott hails) uses comps like the SPARQ to compare prospects; its technological advancements like SPARQ that make the combine results more useful.

NFL FO and organizations are well aware of the prep process. Its up to them to figure out how to get the information they want. And the prep process also helps expose guys that aren't putting the work in.

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[quote=30gut;1139587]I'm on the other side.

Training for the 40 can make you faster. Many people don't know how to run fast. And if they learn some mechanics and techniques of running they can certainly run faster at the combine and be faster on the field. There's a reason why most of the really fast guys in the NFL have track in their background.

But, being faster doesn't necessarily equate to being better.[/quote]

who actually got faster? please cite an NFL player that thinks learning body lean for a 40 in a t shirt helped them become a great speed threat in the NFL.

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[quote=That Guy;1139595]who actually got faster? please cite an NFL player that thinks learning body lean for a 40 in a t shirt helped them become a great speed threat in the NFL.[/quote]Lol, yup because that's exactly what I'm saying.

Anyhow, there is an entire area of professional sports based on science and kinesiology that disagrees with you. But to each their own.

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the combine is the single biggest over-hype crap the NFL sells. and of course ill be paying attention cause im a fiend

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[quote=30gut;1139581]Yes. But you have to realize the combine isn't designed for the layman. The on the field stuff is net-net probably the least important of all the events that occur at the combine. #1 is the medical testing and #2 (or really 1a) is the personal contact/team meetings.

The combine events are merely a cross check/tie breaker because it allows the player to be compared against each other and provide data that can be used to compare against historical archives.

Now if you are a draftnik/wannabe amateur scout (like myself) you can use the combine numbers to separate players that have similar grades from watching tape. For example a couple of years back I graded Deone Buchannon and James Ward much higher then other draftniks. But after their combines I was certain that they were 1st round prospect because they combine numbers comparable to previous 1st rounders which confirmed what I saw on film.

Personally I love the combine and find it very useful.


The combine is not designed to help you figure out who's going to make it in the NFL. On the whole I consider the concept or belief in draft [I]prediction[/I]to be a myth. The draft process is about proper evaluation, assessment and ranking/grading. Imo that's the best a FO/organization can expect during the draft process. Whether a prospect fails or succeed has many factors completely external to the tangible evaluation process that imo it renders prediction impossible. You can have 2 prospect with identical college production and combine performance. But you still have no idea how the prospects will respond to making/having serious money and being in a new city on their own without the pretense of having to attend class. Then there are factors external to the prospect like whether or not their personality meshes with their coaches/GM, whether or not they are a scheme fit or their coaches know how to adapt to their skills, whether or not the staff/GM are fired and the player doesn't fit the new scheme, whether the player tries cocaine or weed for the 1st time and becomes an addict etc.....[/quote]

Excellent post! I'm not really into the scouting thing. Partly because I don't get an opportunity to really pay attention to what goes on in college football. Not that I don't like college football, but I don't get very many opportunities like I used to, to watch it. Since this is the case, I don't get to see a lot of these guys play in college. I get a chance to catch maybe, a third to a half of my favorite college team's games, and that's about it.

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[quote=metalskins;1139604]Excellent post! I'm not really into the scouting thing. Partly because I don't get an opportunity to really pay attention to what goes on in college football. Not that I don't like college football, but I don't get very many opportunities like I used to, to watch it. Since this is the case, I don't get to see a lot of these guys play in college. I get a chance to catch maybe, a third to a half of my favorite college team's games, and that's about it.[/quote]Thanks. I used to coach youth basketball and football and still have the itch to coach so this arm chair "scouting" helps scratch it.

I don't watch nearly as much college football as I used to. I watch some games here and there and watch the bowl games to keep an eye of some of the top prospects. But the main place I go to find info on players is this site:

[url=http://draftbreakdown.com/]Draft Breakdown | NFL Draft Prospect Videos and More[/url]

They have 'cut-ups' of players that show only the plays they were involved in.
So you can watch all the plays from player X from the games they have available.

There's another site noonkick.com (its not working right now for some reason) that has complete games.

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robert nkemdiche , and reggie ragland

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[quote=30gut;1139587]I'm on the other side.

Training for the 40 can make you faster. Many people don't know how to run fast. And if they learn some mechanics and techniques of running they can certainly run faster at the combine and be faster on the field. There's a reason why most of the really fast guys in the NFL have track in their background.

But, being faster doesn't necessarily equate to being better.[/quote]

Oh my God this is fucking nonsense. Dude seriously? First off, almost all the training that goes into coaching a 40 time is focused on the start. Getting off quickly and getting to top speed, which during a 40 is done based on a starting position that not at all mimics the starting position you'd use on a football field - it's a track start. That translates exactly nil to the NFL. For corners, it's not how fast they can run, it's how quickly they can flip their hips and change directions, and then once up to speed it's how fast they can run WHILE TRACKING THE BALL IN THE AIR. Technique used while running on the track and technique used while you're looking up to find a ball in flight is completely different. Same for WRs. For linemen speed isn't even an issue, it's explosiveness off the line, but not like a track start is in the 40 where your goal is to explode and then get upright at top speed as fast as possible, the goal is to explode while keeping your pad level as low as possible.

Running backs only run upright once they hit the open field. Before that, they keep their pad level low, and only get to the open field with quickness and agility.

And besides, do you really think players remember their training for the 40 when they're on the field? If you don't keep practicing something you lose it, and no coach on an NFL team is teaching them how to get off to a fast start in the 40. It almost sounds like you've never played a sport at the high school or college level - the training doesn't stick with you unless you have muscle memory with it. You have to drill it over and over. And nobody drills it like that in the NFL.

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[quote=30gut;1139600]Lol, yup because that's exactly what I'm saying.

Anyhow, there is an entire area of professional sports based on science and kinesiology that disagrees with you. But to each their own.[/quote]

you're either being purposefully obtuse or you're trying really hard to deflect instead of actually answering criticism.

kinesiology is a thing, i never said it wasn't, but nice try on not actually responding to the post. please tell me how training for the 40 helps in real games. i don't know any NFL player that runs a faster 40 when they're 27 or 30 then they did when they were 23. if you could study being faster and it actually worked, how could that hold true?

shaving a 1/20th of a second on your 40 doesn't help you cut or block or run routes any better, and it's completely different than being geared up (weighted down) and having hands in your face in a real game. outside of a corner completely forgetting to jam DJ on a fly route, it basically has no bearing beyond somewhat comparative speed.

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I agree the real question is the permanence of what they learn. I know many NFL and other professional athletes include speed work as part of their offseason training.

I disagree that the training for the 40 is a waste time. I also disagree that kinesiology is fucking nonsense.

Cheers.

Transcript of Mayock's conference call:
 

[B][SIZE="4"]February 23, 2016

An Interview With:
NFL Network Analyst
MIKE MAYOCK[/SIZE][/B]

[url]https://nflcommunications.com/PublishingImages/Pages/NFL-Network-Analyst-Mike-Mayock-2016-NFL-Scouting-Combine-Conference-Call----Transcript-and-Audio/Mike%20Mayock%20Combine%20Conference%20Call_2_23_16.pdf[/url]

Jumping straight to the Redskins:

[B][SIZE="4"]Q.[/SIZE][/B] Scot McCloughan obviously had a great draft last year as his first year as the Washington Redskins' general manager. Can you kind of talk about where he could go at 21 overall, and also of course with Kirk Cousins being the quarterback, do you think he's actually the future and also if the Redskins could possibly take another quarterback in this draft?

[B][SIZE="4"]MIKE MAYOCK[/SIZE][/B]: I do believe Kirk Cousins is the quarterback of the Redskins for the future, and I think a lot of that is that philosophically he aligns perfectly with what Jay Gruden wants to do. Yeah, I do believe he's the guy. Could they take a quarterback in the middle round? Absolutely they could take a quarterback in the middle rounds. Scot McCloughan and Jay Gruden are tied at the hip, which is the first and most important criteria. Their draft last year revealed who they are. Brandon Scherff was the first pick, big, tough guy; Preston Smith was the second pick, another big, strong, tough outside linebacker type guy; Matt Jones, a big, thick tailback.
Scotty McCloughan likes the bigger, tougher guys. That's who he wants to be, a big, physical team.
Now, at 21 I think one of the biggest needs is in that defensive line, and it's a defensive line draft. We've already talked about that. He could get defensive linemen second, third, even fourth round, so would he look beyond that knowing there's security in defensive linemen deep in the draft? Would he look at say a corner at 21? To me that is a possibility. He could sit there and say, huh, is this kid from Clemson worth it, Mackensie Alexander at 31, what about Eli Apple, what about Artie Burns. I think there's some interesting corners that would come into that conversation, also.

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[quote=30gut;1139614]

I also disagree that kinesiology is fucking nonsense.

Cheers.[/quote]

no one is saying it is.

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[quote=That Guy;1139641]no one is saying it is.[/quote]Suffice it to say we disagree, apparently very strongly on your part that training for the 40 is a waste of time. I'm truthfully not exactly sure what Schneed thought is fucking nonsense. But, we disagree. I didn't intend for the discussion take the turn it did and I apologize for my role there.

Anyhow here is some combine stuff:

Links to audiovault for Scotty and Jay:

[url=http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=427&f=5287393]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url]

[B]5 Takeaways: Scot McCloughan At The Combine[/B]

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/5-Takeaways-Scot-McCloughan-At-The-Combine/e9f84562-0820-47fe-a59a-701c771801e4]5 Takeaways: Scot McCloughan At The Combine[/url]

[B]"This year we had 117 juniors come out, or underclassmen. Last year was 65. So that plays into it, too,” McCloughan said. “But that’s scary. That’s why it’s so important to be here and get measurable, get the medical, get the interview stuff with the juniors, the underclassmen. But it’s a strong draft, very strong.”[/B]



[B]5 Takeaways: Jay Gruden At The Combine[/B]

[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/5-Takeaways-Jay-Gruden-At-The-Combine/88ef1c73-52e6-4886-898c-3190a1c2da9d]5 Takeaways: Jay Gruden At The Combine[/url]

“And he’s still in the process of thinking about it. I think he’s learning towards playing, I would guess right now. But we’ll have to wait and see. He’s put a lot of good years in. Body was a little bit beat up last year at the end of the year, but I think he’s starting to recover, feel a lot better so I think his mind will change a little bit as he gets closer to time to kick off.”

“Keenan finished off strong for us, was good in the locker room,” Gruden said. “But I think he’s going to hit free agency and probably land somewhere else.”

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The writing was on the wall for Keenan and per Jay's comments re-signing him don't seem like a priority.

Whether it was injury and/or scheme Keenan did struggle. But man, Keenan is a talented dude...would love it if he could stick around and compete and hopefully make a leap forward next year and chalk up last season to slump.

Sounds like Hatch could be back, I'm all for that.

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40 times don't tell you anything you can't already see by watching tape. When good scouts watch tape they can see who plays fast enough. They're not looking for who can reach a higher top speed in a straight line, they're looking for guys who get to spots faster than anybody else.

Let's say you're at the combine and you're expecting a LB to run a 4.9 and he runs a 4.6. All that should tell you is that maybe you need to go back and watch the guy's tape again. If he's faster than you thought at getting to spots, maybe you bump him up on your board. But if he's slow getting to the spots then you discount the 40 time as track-generated nonsense and leave him nice and low on your board.

In other words, the 40 time shouldn't be telling you anything you don't (or couldn't) already know.

"I'm looking for football players."
- Scot McCloughan

So you watch football games to find football players. The combine is stupid.

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OK, stupid's too strong a word. It serves a purpose like I said in double checking what your first impression was when you watched tape.

I'll amend it to say "the combine is of very limited value to scouts."

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And the interviews. That's very worthwhile, but the on field and drills are limited.

Re: 2016 Combine
 

[quote=Schneed10;1139653]40 times don't tell you anything you can't already see by watching tape. When good scouts watch tape they can see who plays fast enough. They're not looking for who can reach a higher top speed in a straight line, they're looking for guys who get to spots faster than anybody else.

Let's say you're at the combine and you're expecting a LB to run a 4.9 and he runs a 4.6. All that should tell you is that maybe you need to go back and watch the guy's tape again. If he's faster than you thought at getting to spots, maybe you bump him up on your board. But if he's slow getting to the spots then you discount the 40 time as track-generated nonsense and leave him nice and low on your board.

In other words, the 40 time shouldn't be telling you anything you don't (or couldn't) already know.

"I'm looking for football players."
- Scot McCloughan

So you watch football games to find football players. [B]The combine is stupid[/B].[/quote]

agreed. you exercised very well today...stock up. Small hands, stock down.

This is the type of bullshit that makes me laugh:

[url=http://deadspin.com/arkansas-qb-trying-to-stretch-his-lil-baby-hands-in-ord-1761240625]Arkansas QB Trying To Stretch His Lil' Baby Hands In Order To Boost Draft Stock[/url]

Re: 2016 Combine
 

[quote=Schneed10;1139653]40 times don't tell you anything you can't already see by watching tape. When good scouts watch tape they can see who plays fast enough. They're not looking for who can reach a higher top speed in a straight line, they're looking for guys who get to spots faster than anybody else.

Let's say you're at the combine and you're expecting a LB to run a 4.9 and he runs a 4.6. All that should tell you is that maybe you need to go back and watch the guy's tape again. If he's faster than you thought at getting to spots, maybe you bump him up on your board. But if he's slow getting to the spots then you discount the 40 time as track-generated nonsense and leave him nice and low on your board.

In other words, the 40 time shouldn't be telling you anything you don't (or couldn't) already know.

"I'm looking for football players."
- Scot McCloughan

So you watch football games to find football players. The combine is stupid.[/quote]

I would suggest it also works in reverse. If a guy plays like 4.6 but times out at 4.9, perhaps you go back and see if the level of competition or scheme was making him look better. If so, maybe you knock him back a round or two.

Same principle though. Look at the tape. Confirm what you see with measurables. When the two are out of whack, adjust accordingly (which may include no adjustment).

Also, just read recently that invitees are getting very savvy about the interview process and that, because of that, it is harder and harder to get good information out of this once very useful evaluation tool.