Redskins release WR Andre Roberts
 

[url=http://www.thescore.com/news/1028432]Report: Redskins release Andre Roberts | theScore.com[/url]
Not much info, but I don't think anyone here is surprised.

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Wouldn't they have saved another $1m if they waited to June 1? (Perhaps this is in the article, which I confess I haven't read.)


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I am stunned by this report. Another valuable asset gone, looks like we're down to 52 All-Pros now.

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Just never worked out...not a big loss, hopefully he finds a home somewhere

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Looking at the salary cap numbers, does anybody else think they'll be cutting Garcon sometime in training camp as well? Would shave off 8mil on the salary cap.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1143759]Looking at the salary cap numbers, does anybody else think they'll be cutting Garcon sometime in training camp as well? Would shave off 8mil on the salary cap.[/quote]

There is no reason to cut Garcon. Am I the only one here who thinks that Garcon is a quality NFL receiver who was worth his FA contract? If that's not a good enough reason, then why would you want to dismantle the WR depth we've built?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1143760]There is no reason to cut Garcon. Am I the only one here who thinks that Garcon is a quality NFL receiver who was worth his FA contract? If that's not a good enough reason, then why would you want to dismantle the WR depth we've built?[/quote]

He's not worth the money he's being paid and shaving 8mil off the cap when that money can go to better use is always better. You don't overpay people just for the sake of overpaying. You can roll over any unused salary cap.

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[quote=calia;1143756]Wouldn't they have saved another $1m if they waited to June 1? (Perhaps this is in the article, which I confess I haven't read.)


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The man deserves a chance to land a job with another team. Cutting him now helps him to do that. Also, I think they can cut a player now and designate it as a June 1st cut.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1143761]He's not worth the money he's being paid and shaving 8mil off the cap when that money can go to better use is always better. You don't overpay people just for the sake of overpaying. You can roll over any unused salary cap.[/quote]

Good morning. I didn't expect a reply so soon. Anyway, I think we need him this year so I'd bite the bullet on his contract. He's a FA next season, so the burden is short term.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1143761]He's not worth the money he's being paid and shaving 8mil off the cap when that money can go to better use is always better. You don't overpay people just for the sake of overpaying. You can roll over any unused salary cap.[/quote]

He might be overpaid but he contributes to the team. Letting him go creates a unnecessary hole for no reason other than to save cap room. And who are you going to pick up with that cap room this late in FA/trade? It's not like there's a bunch of great players on the market right now. I am sure if there is a player McC or Gruden wants right now they have the financial flexibility to make it happen.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1143761]He's not worth the money he's being paid and shaving 8mil off the cap when that money can go to better use is always better. You don't overpay people just for the sake of overpaying. You can roll over any unused salary cap.[/quote]

imo I think its a fair price to garcon...maybe a 1 million or 1.5 over pay. I think the process of trying to replace him, chemistry, etc. maybe wouldn't be worth it. I think he does a good job

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How much salary cap space is there now ?

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[quote=mooby;1143764]He might be overpaid but he contributes to the team. Letting him go creates a unnecessary hole for no reason other than to save cap room. And who are you going to pick up with that cap room this late in FA/trade? It's not like there's a bunch of great players on the market right now. I am sure if there is a player McC or Gruden wants right now they have the financial flexibility to make it happen.[/quote]

this x2

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Garçon isn't going anywhere. The coaches love him on and off the field.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1143761]He's not worth the money he's being paid and shaving 8mil off the cap when that money can go to better use is always better. You don't overpay people just for the sake of overpaying. You can roll over any unused salary cap.[/QUOTE]


Unless there's a dire need for the cap
space (there isn't) cutting him makes no sense.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1143768]Garçon isn't going anywhere. The coaches love him on and off the field.[/QUOTE]



As do I. The dude makes the hard catches and sets a great example. He had a couple of Tds last year where he got obliterated after the catch and hung on. He's not that far removed from a 113 catch season, for crying out loud. Let's not peg Doctson his successor just yet - the guy hasn't played an NFL snap.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1143760]There is no reason to cut Garcon. Am I the only one here who thinks that Garcon is a quality NFL receiver who was worth his FA contract? If that's not a good enough reason, then why would you want to dismantle the WR depth we've built?[/QUOTE]



No, you're not the only one.

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Need to keep Garcon because Jackson will go down in week three with a pulled fukmuscle or some such malady.

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Malady? Don't know why that word made me laugh. Reminds me of this:

[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2rgxY9t6DjM/UTA6KAzEYII/AAAAAAAACOg/6Zx2YK19iZ4/s1600/01-snidely-whiplash.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1143759]Looking at the salary cap numbers, does anybody else think they'll be cutting Garcon sometime in training camp as well? Would shave off 8mil on the salary cap.[/quote]

:doh:

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[quote=NC_Skins;1143761]He's not worth the money he's being paid and shaving 8mil off the cap when that money can go to better use is always better. You don't overpay people just for the sake of overpaying. You can roll over any unused salary cap.[/quote]

:doh:

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I'm disappointed that Roberts never worked out. I thought he had a real opportunity to step up, but he just never progressed. I like that our WR corps has depth and talent enought to let go of guys for production. To that end, letting Garcon go to save a bit on cap is hopefully not the way the FO is thinking anymore. Garcon isn't flashy like DJax, and I think he's not that #1 guy, but he definitely provides a threat every down that defenses have to account for.

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If nothing else, I was hoping ( after all the drops that Roberts was making ) that we at least had a return guy. To quote fight Club "no matter what happens, at least I have that couch thing covered." But then he showed no promise on special teams.
I think garcon is worth the money he was paid. He has made some mistakes, but even the best recievers drop an occasional pass. It happens. I'd love if we could renegotiate with him next year and pay a little less, but keep him here so he can celebrate a lombardi.
Glad Roberts was sent, though. He was a pretty disappointing free agent.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1143759]Looking at the salary cap numbers, does anybody else think they'll be cutting Garcon sometime in training camp as well? Would shave off 8mil on the salary cap.[/quote]

Interesting point. I think it depends on how fast Doctson can come along. If he kills it in camp then I wouldn't be surprised. But I just think you hold on to Garcon because of the intangibles he brings to the table. He's still a good football player and we're just not in the position to be cutting good players.

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Roberts was just a awful, terrible signing. What were they thinking?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1143780]Roberts was just a awful, terrible signing. What were they thinking?[/quote]

If memory serves me correctly, we signed Roberts just before Chip ditched DeSean and we made the move on him. After that, Andre didn't have much of a chance. I guess we'll never know how he might have done in a regular rotation. He certainly had the cred's when we brought him here.

A good example of how easy Monday morning quarterbacking is regarding personnel. Except when Vinny was involved of course...

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Roberts had plenty of opportunities to contribute. He did not help at all.

Redskins release WR Andre Roberts
 

A little clarity regarding the cap, aka we don't need to cut Garçon.

According to [url]www.OvertheCap.com[/url] the Redskins had $1.2 million in 2016 cap space prior to the Roberts move. If the June 1 designation was used, at the start of next month they will gain the $4 million from Roberts. They already are slated to add $8 million in cap space due to the release of Chris Culliver with a June 1 designation. That will send them into the summer with $13.2 million in cap space.

[url]http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/redskins-contract-roberts-went-wrong-beginning[/url]

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Why would we cut Garcon by training camp? That's just as ridiculous as my dreams on tequila!

But what's not ridiculous is seeing Roberts cut. I still think he can be serviceable somewhere else, but he just didn't make it in D.C.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1143773]Malady? Don't know why that word made me laugh. Reminds me of this:

[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2rgxY9t6DjM/UTA6KAzEYII/AAAAAAAACOg/6Zx2YK19iZ4/s1600/01-snidely-whiplash.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

[B][SIZE="3"]Snidely Whiplash![/SIZE][/B]

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1143789][B][SIZE="3"]Snidely Whiplash![/SIZE][/B][/quote]

Yessir!

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yeah, roberts was post june 1 i believe, and garcon isn't going anywhere. next year, probably (since i think doctsun and crowder can play and DJ will probably get a new deal).

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If you think Garcon should be gone then you don't understand football, injuries, or depth. Or basically anything.

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[quote=Schneed10;1143811]If you think Garcon should be gone then you don't understand football, injuries, or depth. Or basically anything.[/quote]

Oh yeah? Name the last time D.Jax didn't play a full season? Or the last time Crowder/Grant/Doctson didn't play like an elite player capable of fully replacing Garcon's production. Boom. Roasted.

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garcon should go no where this year. Honestly I would love to keep Djax, Crowder, Garcon and Doctson as long as we possible can. Thats a hell of a recieving core to pair with Paul, Reed and Davis.

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[quote=mooby;1143814]Oh yeah? Name the last time D.Jax didn't play a full season? [B]Or the last time Crowder/Grant/Doctson didn't play like an elite player capable of fully replacing Garcon's production.[/B] Boom. Roasted.[/quote]

Well they have never been on the field together at the same time. Grant has never played elite, and while Crowder could turn into an elite slot reciever he cant replace Garcon and his skill set as he doesnt even play that position. Doctson as good as he can be has never put cleats on a NFL game day field. So I fail to miss your Boom, Roasted point.

Re: Redskins release wrote Andre Roberts
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1143761]He's not worth the money he's being paid and shaving 8mil off the cap when that money can go to better use is always better. You don't overpay people just for the sake of overpaying. You can roll over any unused salary cap.[/quote]

But where are you going to spend 8 mil this season? Saving 8 mil on a contract is nice, but we arent signing anyone else for 8 mil a year unless you are talking an extension for Djax or Cousins. Gallete wont be signed long term till we see what he can do. Doesnt make any sense to cut Pierre this season.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1143820]Well they have never been on the field together at the same time. Grant has never played elite, and while Crowder could turn into an elite slot reciever he cant replace Garcon and his skill set as he doesnt even play that position. Doctson as good as he can be has never put cleats on a NFL game day field. So I fail to miss your Boom, Roasted point.[/quote]

Im pretty sure mooby was being sarcastic. Name the last time Djax didnt play a full season... All you have to go back to is the most recent season played.

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gotcha, yeah wasn't referring to the Djax comment as that is a given.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1143820]Well they have never been on the field together at the same time. Grant has never played elite, and while Crowder could turn into an elite slot reciever he cant replace Garcon and his skill set as he doesnt even play that position. Doctson as good as he can be has never put cleats on a NFL game day field. So I fail to miss your Boom, Roasted point.[/quote]

:doh:

I want to respond seriously, but I don't want to continue this conversation. Also your last sentence reads like you understood my Boom/Roasted point, when I think you were trying to convey the opposite reaction.

Also, Skinzman, spot on good chap, spot on.